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Post by gaznandi on Jul 13, 2024 18:07:55 GMT
Despite the fact that three players (Hoever, Cundle and Campbell) were major contributors to the performances at the other end improving not being here any longer and not being replaced ?? Must have missed the window 'slamming shut'. August 30th at 11pm. I think we may, may, possibly have signed a couple more by then 😉
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Post by tommystoke123 on Jul 13, 2024 18:10:17 GMT
Could do with offloading: Jojic Leris Johnson Laurent McCarron
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 18:31:16 GMT
Could do with offloading: Jojic Leris Johnson Laurent McCarron Jojic is a fairly big investment - worth exploring loan options etc before getting rid. I expect more from Leris in his second season here, I've got no problem with keeping him til Jan and review it then. The rest? Absolutely.
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Post by stuammo on Jul 13, 2024 18:45:46 GMT
Could do with offloading: Jojic Leris Johnson Laurent McCarron Jojic is a fairly big investment - worth exploring loan options etc before getting rid. I expect more from Leris in his second season here, I've got no problem with keeping him til Jan and review it then. The rest? Absolutely. Jojic is an unknown. Unfair to say he needs getting of. Still young and if the potential is there the right development may see him come good. Leris was an excellent option at times last season. Scored a couple, contributed well and won more headers in attacking positions than anyone. IMO he’s a really good squad player and gives options. The rest, absolutely agree….free to go
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Post by Han Solo on Jul 13, 2024 18:59:43 GMT
Jojic is a fairly big investment - worth exploring loan options etc before getting rid. I expect more from Leris in his second season here, I've got no problem with keeping him til Jan and review it then. The rest? Absolutely. Jojic is an unknown. Unfair to say he needs getting of. Still young and if the potential is there the right development may see him come good. Leris was an excellent option at times last season. Scored a couple, contributed well and won more headers in attacking positions than anyone. IMO he’s a really good squad player and gives options. The rest, absolutely agree….free to go Good assessment. In respect to Laurent the abilities there but he’s just not consistent enough and if we can a decent fee plus his wages off the wage bill a move will be good for us and him.
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Post by bloodtypered on Jul 13, 2024 19:09:30 GMT
Hope we get a good striker and a few other signings in soon We are weaker than last season at the moment
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Post by tommystoke123 on Jul 13, 2024 19:24:57 GMT
Would anyone take Alzate if we offload Laurent and could afford his wages?
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 13, 2024 19:32:43 GMT
Tom Edwards signed for Salford. Very good announcement tbf
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Post by march4 on Jul 13, 2024 19:48:48 GMT
Could do with offloading: Jojic Leris Johnson Laurent McCarron I would take Leris off that list and add Mmaee and/or Vidigal.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 13, 2024 19:54:34 GMT
Could do with offloading: Jojic Leris Johnson Laurent McCarron I would take Leris off that list and add Mmaee and/or Vidigal. Agree. Leris is useful. Not a bad player and can play a few positions. You need players like him
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Post by retrostoke on Jul 13, 2024 20:00:20 GMT
Certainly needs to be in and around the first team now!!! Yup defo. It’s up to him. He’s living on potential and hype at the moment. Fingers crossed this is his breakthrough year but he’s got to step it up considerably. People saying he should be our 3rd striker option but there’s not much evidence yet.
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Post by george2again on Jul 13, 2024 20:08:51 GMT
Could do with offloading: Jojic Leris Johnson Laurent McCarron Add Mmaee and Ennis to that list.
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Post by george2again on Jul 13, 2024 20:10:24 GMT
Could do with offloading: Jojic Leris Johnson Laurent McCarron Add Mmaee and Ennis to that list. And tortoise VIDIGAL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 20:22:57 GMT
Add Mmaee and Ennis to that list. And tortoise VIDIGAL. Bit of a low risk to see how he gets on this season really - if it doesn't work shift him on, definitely worth a clean*er* slate for a few months
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Post by baconburger on Jul 13, 2024 21:11:02 GMT
Add Mmaee and Ennis to that list. And tortoise VIDIGAL. The rate you lot are going there'll be nobody left at the club who's ever scored a goal.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 13, 2024 21:17:51 GMT
The rate you lot are going there'll be nobody left at the club who's ever scored a goal. Ummmmmm….guess who said this about 2 hours ago….. “We already conceded a very similar number of goals to half of last seasons top 6. Any idea that significant progress will be achieved without scoring a lot more goals is barmy.” Barmy indeed.
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Post by stuammo on Jul 13, 2024 21:52:30 GMT
Talk of Moore and O’Hare going to the blades.
Surely if Moore goes there then McBurnie has a future away from the club? His contract negotiations end?
Seems strange to me. They are the same kind of player and Mcburnie is younger, reasonably proven and a home grown fan.
Seems odd that they’d go for the older player.
O’Hare is a hell of a player too. Injury seems to have held him back but he’s a great player
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Post by yellowsnowman on Jul 13, 2024 22:04:34 GMT
Talk of Moore and O’Hare going to the blades. Surely if Moore goes there then McBurnie has a future away from the club? His contract negotiations end? Seems strange to me. They are the same kind of player and Mcburnie is younger, reasonably proven and a home grown fan. Seems odd that they’d go for the older player. O’Hare is a hell of a player too. Injury seems to have held him back but he’s a great player Id love O'Hare, always thought we would have no chance. Id thought he would go to a prem team in fairness.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 14, 2024 7:56:38 GMT
The rate you lot are going there'll be nobody left at the club who's ever scored a goal. Ummmmmm….guess who said this about 2 hours ago….. “We already conceded a very similar number of goals to half of last seasons top 6. Any idea that significant progress will be achieved without scoring a lot more goals is barmy.” Barmy indeed. I’ve read it and re read it and I’m still not following the logic. If you’re a club that hasn’t scored anything like enough goals is getting rid of most of the players that scored the ones you did score supposed to be rational? I could fully understand bringing players in you expect to add output to a point where the forwards you do have get pushed further and further down the pecking order to the point you’d gladly let them leave but getting rid of any potential output in our position before replacing it seems completely fucking barmy to me. Want to get rid of players, we have a glut of deep lying central midfielders we could afford to let 2 or 3 of them go without even knowing they’ve gone. Maybe it’s just how people’s minds work differently. I can’t stand Ryan Mmaee’s game nothing to do with his discipline. Do I think it would be sane to let him go at this point, absolutely not.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 14, 2024 8:09:29 GMT
Ummmmmm….guess who said this about 2 hours ago….. “We already conceded a very similar number of goals to half of last seasons top 6. Any idea that significant progress will be achieved without scoring a lot more goals is barmy.” Barmy indeed. I’ve read it and re read it and I’m still not following the logic. If you’re a club that hasn’t scored anything like enough goals is getting rid of most of the players that scored the ones you did score supposed to be rational? I could fully understand bringing players in you expect to add output to a point where the forwards you do have get pushed further and further down the pecking order to the point you’d gladly let them leave but getting rid of any potential output in our position before replacing it seems completely fucking barmy to me. Want to get rid of players, we have a glut of deep lying central midfielders we could afford to let 2 or 3 of them go without even knowing they’ve gone. Maybe it’s just how people’s minds work differently. I can’t stand Ryan Mmaee’s game nothing to do with his discipline. Do I think it would be sane to let him go at this point, absolutely not. The logic is you're calling out people who want to move on the "goalscorers" whilst moaning they don't score enough goals. We get you've read the data about how many goals you need to be successful, you post it at every opportunity. Give it a rest.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 14, 2024 8:24:06 GMT
I’ve read it and re read it and I’m still not following the logic. If you’re a club that hasn’t scored anything like enough goals is getting rid of most of the players that scored the ones you did score supposed to be rational? I could fully understand bringing players in you expect to add output to a point where the forwards you do have get pushed further and further down the pecking order to the point you’d gladly let them leave but getting rid of any potential output in our position before replacing it seems completely fucking barmy to me. Want to get rid of players, we have a glut of deep lying central midfielders we could afford to let 2 or 3 of them go without even knowing they’ve gone. Maybe it’s just how people’s minds work differently. I can’t stand Ryan Mmaee’s game nothing to do with his discipline. Do I think it would be sane to let him go at this point, absolutely not. The logic is you're calling out people who want to move on the "goalscorers" whilst moaning they don't score enough goals. We get you've read the data about how many goals you need to be successful, you post it at every opportunity. Give it a rest. So you don’t get that it’s an arse about face way to go about it? It’s nothing to do with the particular players. I’d love for us to be in a position where we could afford to get rid of Mmaee and Vidigal but we aren’t. We’ve already shed a significant amount of output that gave us the good end to a really bad season ( Hoever, Cundle, Campbell ). We simply can’t keep offloading output before replacing it. It’s not about I like this player and don’t like that player imo that would be a pretty childish way of attempting to assemble a squad.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 8:40:06 GMT
Ummmmmm….guess who said this about 2 hours ago….. “We already conceded a very similar number of goals to half of last seasons top 6. Any idea that significant progress will be achieved without scoring a lot more goals is barmy.” Barmy indeed. I’ve read it and re read it and I’m still not following the logic. If you’re a club that hasn’t scored anything like enough goals is getting rid of most of the players that scored the ones you did score supposed to be rational? I could fully understand bringing players in you expect to add output to a point where the forwards you do have get pushed further and further down the pecking order to the point you’d gladly let them leave but getting rid of any potential output in our position before replacing it seems completely fucking barmy to me. Want to get rid of players, we have a glut of deep lying central midfielders we could afford to let 2 or 3 of them go without even knowing they’ve gone. Maybe it’s just how people’s minds work differently. I can’t stand Ryan Mmaee’s game nothing to do with his discipline. Do I think it would be sane to let him go at this point, absolutely not. Vidigal looked nowhere near good enough for a promotion challenging team after his initial early season flurry. He looked lacking pace, lacking in physicality and it wasn’t clear where his best position was (or if he even has one). If we’re pinning our hopes on Vidigal and Mmaee to get us the 30-40 goals our forwards will need to provide then we might as well prepare for another season of nothingness.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 14, 2024 8:49:30 GMT
I’ve read it and re read it and I’m still not following the logic. If you’re a club that hasn’t scored anything like enough goals is getting rid of most of the players that scored the ones you did score supposed to be rational? I could fully understand bringing players in you expect to add output to a point where the forwards you do have get pushed further and further down the pecking order to the point you’d gladly let them leave but getting rid of any potential output in our position before replacing it seems completely fucking barmy to me. Want to get rid of players, we have a glut of deep lying central midfielders we could afford to let 2 or 3 of them go without even knowing they’ve gone. Maybe it’s just how people’s minds work differently. I can’t stand Ryan Mmaee’s game nothing to do with his discipline. Do I think it would be sane to let him go at this point, absolutely not. Vidigal looked nowhere near good enough for a promotion challenging team after his initial early season flurry. He looked lacking pace, lacking in physicality and it wasn’t clear where his best position was (or if he even has one). If we’re pinning our hopes on Vidigal and Mmaee to get us the 30-40 goals our forwards will need to provide then we might as well prepare for another season of nothingness. Yes we seem to agree on that completely(very unusual). What we’re at odds on is how you go about rectifying that problem.
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Post by thornestein on Jul 14, 2024 8:50:34 GMT
Vidigal looked nowhere near good enough for a promotion challenging team after his initial early season flurry. He looked lacking pace, lacking in physicality and it wasn’t clear where his best position was (or if he even has one). If we’re pinning our hopes on Vidigal and Mmaee to get us the 30-40 goals our forwards will need to provide then we might as well prepare for another season of nothingness. Yes we seem to agree on that completely(very unusual). What we’re at odds on is how you go about rectifying that problem. sell and replace with better
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 8:54:35 GMT
Vidigal looked nowhere near good enough for a promotion challenging team after his initial early season flurry. He looked lacking pace, lacking in physicality and it wasn’t clear where his best position was (or if he even has one). If we’re pinning our hopes on Vidigal and Mmaee to get us the 30-40 goals our forwards will need to provide then we might as well prepare for another season of nothingness. Yes we seem to agree on that completely(very unusual). What we’re at odds on is how you go about rectifying that problem. If they’re the back up on the bench we could get away with it. But we need better and more consistent. Maybe Tezgel if he’s ready, if not then we need new signings.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 14, 2024 9:12:08 GMT
I’ve read it and re read it and I’m still not following the logic. If you’re a club that hasn’t scored anything like enough goals is getting rid of most of the players that scored the ones you did score supposed to be rational? I could fully understand bringing players in you expect to add output to a point where the forwards you do have get pushed further and further down the pecking order to the point you’d gladly let them leave but getting rid of any potential output in our position before replacing it seems completely fucking barmy to me. Want to get rid of players, we have a glut of deep lying central midfielders we could afford to let 2 or 3 of them go without even knowing they’ve gone. Maybe it’s just how people’s minds work differently. I can’t stand Ryan Mmaee’s game nothing to do with his discipline. Do I think it would be sane to let him go at this point, absolutely not. Vidigal looked nowhere near good enough for a promotion challenging team after his initial early season flurry. He looked lacking pace, lacking in physicality and it wasn’t clear where his best position was (or if he even has one). If we’re pinning our hopes on Vidigal and Mmaee to get us the 30-40 goals our forwards will need to provide then we might as well prepare for another season of nothingness. Shall we give him a chance this season first. He looked great until Millwall injured him last year. Hasn't he posted how much he has been working on his fitness and strength over the summer. He obviously isn't going to throw in the towel which shows determination so if that can be translated to the pitch great news. Whatever his weaknesses, his one strength is scoring and we are desperately short of natural goal scorers
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 9:34:12 GMT
Vidigal looked nowhere near good enough for a promotion challenging team after his initial early season flurry. He looked lacking pace, lacking in physicality and it wasn’t clear where his best position was (or if he even has one). If we’re pinning our hopes on Vidigal and Mmaee to get us the 30-40 goals our forwards will need to provide then we might as well prepare for another season of nothingness. Shall we give him a chance this season first. He looked great until Millwall injured him last year. Hasn't he posted how much he has been working on his fitness and strength over the summer. He obviously isn't going to throw in the towel which shows determination so if that can be translated to the pitch great news. Whatever his weaknesses, his one strength is scoring and we are desperately short of natural goal scorers I’ll be honest I thought he was terrible last season after that purple patch early on. He looked disinterested and contributed very little. I might be being very harsh but if we’re serious about a top 6 bid then I would consider him bench at best.
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Post by somersetpotter on Jul 14, 2024 9:44:19 GMT
A huge number of players go on to have a much better second season than their first in this league and as a fan base we have a history of writing players off too quickly.
We’ve seen glimpses of greatness from both Mmaee and Vidigal, give them another season to show us what they’ve got and if they’ve still not improved then move them on. If we sell them to championship rivals they’ll probably both go and get promoted somehow and be worth £10m+
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 9:47:16 GMT
A huge number of players go on to have a much better second season than their first in this league and as a fan base we have a history of writing players off too quickly. We’ve seen glimpses of greatness from both Mmaee and Vidigal, give them another season to show us what they’ve got and if they’ve still not improved then move them on. If we sell them to championship rivals they’ll probably both go and get promoted somehow and be worth £10m+ They won’t. I haven’t seen any moments of greatness from either of them to be honest. Hopefully, both put on a little mass in the preseason and improve their core strength. Maybe they can get a few slaps in the face before each game to make them a little more aggressive as well.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 10:00:50 GMT
A huge number of players go on to have a much better second season than their first in this league and as a fan base we have a history of writing players off too quickly. We’ve seen glimpses of greatness from both Mmaee and Vidigal, give them another season to show us what they’ve got and if they’ve still not improved then move them on. If we sell them to championship rivals they’ll probably both go and get promoted somehow and be worth £10m+ Glimpses of greatness is being very, very generous.
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