Burger

[sticky]

I don’t see the boo boy thing, far from it. Just a lot of frustration.. Laurent Thompson and burger doesn’t work

[idle]

Aug 17, 2024 16:58:58 GMT sticky said:

I don’t see the boo boy thing, far from it. Just a lot of frustration.. Laurent Thompson and burger doesn’t work

Yeah, he's playing with an average midfielder and a L1 squaddie. Bocat and Gooch were awful around him as well.

But he does need to improve, no doubt. He overhit every through ball today

[johnnysoul60]

He has certainly started this season badly, not sure what his position is, not got the discipline for DM always thought box to box was best, but nowhere near good enough currently, our good run at the end of last season was without him. I do think a lot of it is how Schumacher wants to play which requires the players and the ball to move quickly, Moran looked the type he likes in the minutes he got. It might be that more than anything but not worth his place at the moment.

[Davef]

Isn't Wouter Burger one of the Boy Wonder Dublin's spots?

[mcw]

Too weak today, absolutely bullied time and time again. He keeps on trying to outmuscle players on the ball and then gets easily turned and like that a three man midfield becomes a two man midfield. Added to which he couldn’t pass for toffee. His stock is dwindling rapidly…

[scfcno1fan]

I think I’d be trying to move him on whilst his stock is relatively high and use the funds to reinvest.

[GeneralFaye]

The manager isn't helping by playing him as a number 10, he looks like a fish out of water. That being said, he looks like he's going through the motions.

I'd be very surprised if he started next week (if he's still here)

[Ron]

He’s playing with Laurent and Thompson who’d may viera or Keane look shite around them.

[mamathestriker]

I'm not sure but I don't think I've ever seen us play well when he and Laurent start?

[pushon]

Aug 17, 2024 16:31:52 GMT thornestein said:

Aug 17, 2024 16:30:59 GMT premieraj said:

By 6 do you mean a DM?

it where’s he’s played most of his career before joining us

How long,to date, has his career been going for?

[thornestein]

Aug 17, 2024 19:12:16 GMT pushon said:

Aug 17, 2024 16:31:52 GMT thornestein said:

it where’s he’s played most of his career before joining us

How long,to date, has his career been going for?

you not got google then , it’s a good amount of games

[Biblical]

He’s been pretty bad in every game this season so far, he’s shown he’s capable of a lot more so hopefully he steps up.

Laurent and Thompson were equally as wank today so he wasn’t alone.

[mickstupp]

Aug 17, 2024 17:53:51 GMT Davef said:

Isn't Wouter Burger one of the Boy Wonder Dublin's spots?

Only when he plays well.

[smallthorner]

Aug 17, 2024 16:24:28 GMT werrington said:

Sadly he’s the next boo boy

Only at Stoke ….see nzonzi

Naahh...

Way of the mark mate.

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Aug 17, 2024 19:01:59 GMT GeneralFaye said:

The manager isn't helping by playing him as a number 10, he looks like a fish out of water. That being said, he looks like he's going through the motions.

I'd be very surprised if he started next week (if he's still here)

Yep, there are coaching issues in a few positions at the moment. Burger's pedigree is there to see and it's not a good look on the coach, or the club as a whole that they can't currently get the most out of a player that has represented his nation at almost every junior level, and his previous club in the Champions League, albeit mainly in the preliminary rounds.

You could also argue it doesn't reflect well on the standard of the Championship given we recently saw what similar finances buys you at AZ Alkmaar...

[SamB_SCFC]

If a good offer comes in and there's time to get a replacement in, we need to sell before this season devalues him.

[baconburger]

Aug 17, 2024 20:07:00 GMT @theonlooker said:

Aug 17, 2024 19:01:59 GMT GeneralFaye said:

The manager isn't helping by playing him as a number 10, he looks like a fish out of water. That being said, he looks like he's going through the motions.

I'd be very surprised if he started next week (if he's still here)

Yep, there are coaching issues in a few positions at the moment. Burger's pedigree is there to see and it's not a good look on the coach, or the club as a whole that they can't currently get the most out of a player that has represented his nation at almost every junior level, and his previous club in the Champions League, albeit mainly in the preliminary rounds.

You could also argue it doesn't reflect well on the standard of the Championship given we recently saw what similar finances buys you at AZ Alkmaar...

Burgers pedigree isn't playing as an advanced midfielder. 

[crouchpotato1]

Aug 17, 2024 20:07:00 GMT @theonlooker said:

Aug 17, 2024 19:01:59 GMT GeneralFaye said:

The manager isn't helping by playing him as a number 10, he looks like a fish out of water. That being said, he looks like he's going through the motions.

I'd be very surprised if he started next week (if he's still here)

Yep, there are coaching issues in a few positions at the moment. Burger's pedigree is there to see and it's not a good look on the coach, or the club as a whole that they can't currently get the most out of a player that has represented his nation at almost every junior level, and his previous club in the Champions League, albeit mainly in the preliminary rounds.

You could also argue it doesn't reflect well on the standard of the Championship given we recently saw what similar finances buys you at AZ Alkmaar...

So nothing to do with the player himself and what he’s putting in at the minute🤔

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Aug 17, 2024 20:16:02 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Aug 17, 2024 20:07:00 GMT @theonlooker said:

Yep, there are coaching issues in a few positions at the moment. Burger's pedigree is there to see and it's not a good look on the coach, or the club as a whole that they can't currently get the most out of a player that has represented his nation at almost every junior level, and his previous club in the Champions League, albeit mainly in the preliminary rounds.

You could also argue it doesn't reflect well on the standard of the Championship given we recently saw what similar finances buys you at AZ Alkmaar...

So nothing to do with the player himself and what he’s putting in at the minute🤔

It's a complex beast isn't it?

I don't think he's suited to the way the manager wants to play and not sure he's an attacking midfielder. Looking at the type of midfielder and system Schumacher had and played at Plymouth there weren't too many in the mould of Burger to be fair. The two deeper players in midfield were proper grinders, which Burger isn't and the two attacking midfielders were floaty types, again which Burger isn't.

From what I've seen of Burger he's most suited to a Michael O'Neill midfield, and arguably doing the role that Gallagher did for Alex Neil at Preston.

Fans could be looking for issues in the player that just don't exist. He could just be an innocent victim of the club's flip flop strategy of appointing different styles of managers.

[smallthorner]

Aug 17, 2024 20:07:00 GMT @theonlooker said:

Aug 17, 2024 19:01:59 GMT GeneralFaye said:

The manager isn't helping by playing him as a number 10, he looks like a fish out of water. That being said, he looks like he's going through the motions.

I'd be very surprised if he started next week (if he's still here)

Yep, there are coaching issues in a few positions at the moment. Burger's pedigree is there to see and it's not a good look on the coach, or the club as a whole that they can't currently get the most out of a player that has represented his nation at almost every junior level, and his previous club in the Champions League, albeit mainly in the preliminary rounds.

You could also argue it doesn't reflect well on the standard of the Championship given we recently saw what similar finances buys you at AZ Alkmaar...

Think it's more about selection issues than coaching issues.(unless that's what you are impying)

If we are playing four at the back then it's got to be 2x DM and 1x AM.

Thompson or Bosun or Pearson with
Laurent or Burger

Cundle? or Baker or Bae.

No idea about the new kid what his specialist position is.

Have to say in the cold light of day we have performed better recently with him not in the team.

Think he's a bit fur coat no knickers actually.

[crouchpotato1]

Aug 17, 2024 20:20:32 GMT @theonlooker said:

Aug 17, 2024 20:16:02 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

So nothing to do with the player himself and what he’s putting in at the minute🤔

It's a complex beast isn't it?

I don't think he's suited to the way the manager wants to play and not sure he's an attacking midfielder. Looking at the type of midfielder and system Schumacher had and played at Plymouth there weren't too many in the mould of Burger to be fair. The two deeper players in midfield were proper grinders, which Burger isn't and the two attacking midfielders were floaty types, again which Burger isn't.

From what I've seen of Burger he's most suited to a Michael O'Neill midfield, and arguably doing the role that Gallagher did for Alex Neil at Preston.

Fans could be looking for issues in the player that just don't exist. He could just be an innocent victim of the club's flip flop strategy of appointing different styles of managers.

I get all that but for me I think there’s more to his loss of form than we’re being told and I think Denis hinted at that post match also

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Aug 17, 2024 20:22:50 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Aug 17, 2024 20:20:32 GMT @theonlooker said:

It's a complex beast isn't it?

I don't think he's suited to the way the manager wants to play and not sure he's an attacking midfielder. Looking at the type of midfielder and system Schumacher had and played at Plymouth there weren't too many in the mould of Burger to be fair. The two deeper players in midfield were proper grinders, which Burger isn't and the two attacking midfielders were floaty types, again which Burger isn't.

From what I've seen of Burger he's most suited to a Michael O'Neill midfield, and arguably doing the role that Gallagher did for Alex Neil at Preston.

Fans could be looking for issues in the player that just don't exist. He could just be an innocent victim of the club's flip flop strategy of appointing different styles of managers.

I get all that but for me I think there’s more to his loss of form than we’re being told and I think Denis hinted at that post match also

I didn't hear what Denis said - what did he say?

[Deleted]

Aug 17, 2024 20:20:52 GMT smallthorner said:

Aug 17, 2024 20:07:00 GMT @theonlooker said:

Yep, there are coaching issues in a few positions at the moment. Burger's pedigree is there to see and it's not a good look on the coach, or the club as a whole that they can't currently get the most out of a player that has represented his nation at almost every junior level, and his previous club in the Champions League, albeit mainly in the preliminary rounds.

You could also argue it doesn't reflect well on the standard of the Championship given we recently saw what similar finances buys you at AZ Alkmaar...

Think it's more about selection issues than coaching issues.(unless that's what you are impying)

If we are playing four at the back then it's got to be 2x DM and 1x AM.

Thompson or Bosun or Pearson with
Laurent or Burger

Cundle? or Baker or Bae.

No idea about the new kid what his specialist position is.

Have to say in the cold light of day we have performed better recently with him not in the team.

Think he's a bit fur coat no knickers actually.

I'd agree with that under Schumacher - I think we played our best football when Burger was out and Thompson was in.  That said, I thought Burger looked a far better player under Alex Neil.  Probably as I said to crouchie, he is very similar in style to what Gallagher was in Neil's midfield for Preston as a deep lying playmaker.

Naturally I don't think Burger's game is high octane enough for what Schumacher wants, and from experience in the past you can tell when players aren't comfortable playing at a higher tempo than they are used to.

I also think Burger is a little irked at the criticism fans have been giving to the team  - especially through pre season at the few games I went to.

[crouchpotato1]

Aug 17, 2024 20:28:29 GMT @theonlooker said:

Aug 17, 2024 20:22:50 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

I get all that but for me I think there’s more to his loss of form than we’re being told and I think Denis hinted at that post match also

I didn't hear what Denis said - what did he say?

He said none of us know when footballers have personal issues that might affect their form.I just found that a little odd from someone obviously very close to the club🤷‍♂️Or maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree

[Deleted]

Aug 17, 2024 20:35:39 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Aug 17, 2024 20:28:29 GMT @theonlooker said:

I didn't hear what Denis said - what did he say?

He said none of us know when footballers have personal issues that might affect their form.I just found that a little odd from someone obviously very close to the club🤷‍♂️Or maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree

If he's said that then there probably is something going on.  I guess it will all come out in the wash.

He isn't a #10 though, I think we can all agree on that!

[owdestokie2]

A serious question, not criticism.  How many games after starting has he been withdrawn not to complete 90 minutes. 

[smallthorner]

Aug 17, 2024 20:35:39 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Aug 17, 2024 20:28:29 GMT @theonlooker said:

I didn't hear what Denis said - what did he say?

He said none of us know when footballers have personal issues that might affect their form.I just found that a little odd from someone obviously very close to the club🤷‍♂️Or maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree

Think that what a manager/coach is all about though.
If Wouter has got some personal issue then it should be on the case of SS to discuss and decide and counsel for the good primarily of the team.

First thing is.. does SS like Burger as a player.
I suspect he's not his perfect cup of tea.

[Deleted]

Aug 17, 2024 20:40:50 GMT owdestokie2 said:

A serious question, not criticism.  How many games after starting has he been withdrawn not to complete 90 minutes. 

The stats are quite enlightening.

He completed a fair few 90 minutes at the start of last season through to January but post January he hardly completed any:

www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wouter-burger/leistungsdaten/spieler/412953/plus/0?saison=2023

[crouchpotato1]

Aug 17, 2024 20:44:07 GMT smallthorner said:

Aug 17, 2024 20:35:39 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

He said none of us know when footballers have personal issues that might affect their form.I just found that a little odd from someone obviously very close to the club🤷‍♂️Or maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree

Think that what a manager/coach is all about though.
If Wouter has got some personal issue then it should be on the case of SS to discuss and decide and counsel for the good primarily of the team.

First thing is.. does SS like Burger as a player.
I suspect he's not his perfect cup of tea.

Exactly what Denis said

[baconburger]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Burger until people decided he isn't a deep lying midfielder. I'm really not sure why the player is kopping the flak for this strange decision.