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Post by noustie on Apr 15, 2024 11:25:35 GMT
It's a weird one because he really doesn't fuss me one way or the other. Seems a bit of a jack of all trades master of none and couldn't see him working in a two. Three in the middle with a flashy bastard and an ugly bastard would likely get the most out of him but can't say I've seen anywhere near enough to build a team around him. Really can't see him being the new Whelan for example and is he roughly on a level with Gleghorn and/or Kav in terms of ability/ standing in terms of our center midfielders over the last 25 years? In fairness to Burger though he hasn't a Wallace or O'Connor to put the graft in so it would be interesting to see how he got on next to a genuine ball winning centre midfielder. Thats why I'd like to see Pearson get himself fit, don't think he has been all season really, and rehabilitated appreciate the dumb cards issue won't go away Pearson is the best defensive midfielder we've got which says probably more for our transfer strategy than his ability unfortunately. If we had a decent ugly bastard at the back, a decent ugly bastard in midfield and a horrible battering ram up top this side would be entirely different for me. |
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 15, 2024 11:41:22 GMT
It's a weird one because he really doesn't fuss me one way or the other. Seems a bit of a jack of all trades master of none and couldn't see him working in a two. Three in the middle with a flashy bastard and an ugly bastard would likely get the most out of him but can't say I've seen anywhere near enough to build a team around him. Really can't see him being the new Whelan for example and is he roughly on a level with Gleghorn and/or Kav in terms of ability/ standing in terms of our center midfielders over the last 25 years? In fairness to Burger though he hasn't a Wallace or O'Connor to put the graft in so it would be interesting to see how he got on next to a genuine ball winning centre midfielder. A Gleghorn type now would be great. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 15, 2024 11:42:16 GMT
Thats why I'd like to see Pearson get himself fit, don't think he has been all season really, and rehabilitated appreciate the dumb cards issue won't go away Pearson is the best defensive midfielder we've got which says probably more for our transfer strategy than his ability unfortunately. If we had a decent ugly bastard at the back, a decent ugly bastard in midfield and a horrible battering ram up top this side would be entirely different for me. We do but not Pearson |
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Apr 15, 2024 11:46:55 GMT
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Post by spoton on Apr 15, 2024 11:46:55 GMT
But of bith in my opinion. And thats what this forum is all about.... different opinions.... I personally don't think hes any better or worse than the rest of the midfielders we have.... I dont see anyone of any calibre rushing to buy any of our players during the summer... I'm sure il be reminded if I'm wrong But surely he's only going to be bought by someone else if he's a good player? Not really just need another Stoke who thinks he's good, but forgetting only Stoke make that kind of cock up 😭 |
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Apr 15, 2024 11:51:50 GMT
Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 15, 2024 11:51:50 GMT
He's our best player.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 15, 2024 11:57:25 GMT
He is but he’s been very poor the last two games. And unsurprisingly so have we. We need a massive game from him Saturday or we’re in trouble. |
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Apr 15, 2024 12:00:49 GMT
Post by skip on Apr 15, 2024 12:00:49 GMT
He is but he’s been very poor the last two games. And unsurprisingly so have we. We need a massive game from him Saturday or we’re in trouble. We need a massive game from everyone who gets chosen to start or to come on later. No point Burger having a blinder if [insert player X] is dawdling around / peeing their shorts at the pressure. |
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Apr 15, 2024 12:05:54 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 15, 2024 12:05:54 GMT
He is but he’s been very poor the last two games. And unsurprisingly so have we. We need a massive game from him Saturday or we’re in trouble. We need a massive game from everyone who gets chosen to start or to come on later. No point Burger having a blinder if [insert player X] is dawdling around / peeing their shorts at the pressure. My point being he tends to influence those around him more than any other player. He plays well and we play well. He’s shit and so are we. |
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Apr 15, 2024 12:07:32 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 15, 2024 12:07:32 GMT
He looked a bit undercooked to me. Manager needs to grill him on why his form had dropped. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 15, 2024 12:12:47 GMT
Stats are good. Pearson's are horrendous.....  |
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Apr 15, 2024 12:14:17 GMT
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Post by figo85 on Apr 15, 2024 12:14:17 GMT
Stats are good. Pearson's are horrendous..... Good to see Smallbone fulfilling his potential. |
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Apr 15, 2024 12:15:06 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 15, 2024 12:15:06 GMT
If Burger is just bang average,what does that make the rest of them? He is our best player by a country mile. Not from my seat he isnt.... Hes powder puff. Terrified of a tackle..... shys out of making tackles.... plays at walking pace.... lots of you get lulled by the fact he can pass the ball ten yards..... hes absolutely nowhere near the standard for the requirements of the championship..with his overall game.... its to quick. And to physical.....let's see who wants him when he leaves.... we had the same debate when smallbone went back to Southampton last year. People on here were talking like he was Messi.....he was another who couldn't stand the physicality of the championship.... and he's a sub at saints.... and I can't see him being there next season either..... Smallbone has only missed three games for Southampton all season and has started in 80% of their matches |
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 15, 2024 12:21:47 GMT
Would like to give tezgel a couple more seasons to develop, he's still only a teenager. Lowe on the other hand has shown he is not up to and never will be up to championship football, in a race between him and me, with me running in a pair of wellies I'd still fancy myself to win. Lowe is 18 years of age…. Imagine being written off at the age of 18 by grown men probably old enough be his dad🔴⚪️ |
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Apr 15, 2024 12:22:44 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 15, 2024 12:22:44 GMT
Not from my seat he isnt.... Hes powder puff. Terrified of a tackle..... shys out of making tackles.... plays at walking pace.... lots of you get lulled by the fact he can pass the ball ten yards..... hes absolutely nowhere near the standard for the requirements of the championship..with his overall game.... its to quick. And to physical.....let's see who wants him when he leaves.... we had the same debate when smallbone went back to Southampton last year. People on here were talking like he was Messi.....he was another who couldn't stand the physicality of the championship.... and he's a sub at saints.... and I can't see him being there next season either..... Smallbone has only missed three games for Southampton all season and has started in 80% of their matches Whoosh🔴⚪️ |
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Apr 15, 2024 12:23:25 GMT
Post by baconburger on Apr 15, 2024 12:23:25 GMT
Not from my seat he isnt.... Hes powder puff. Terrified of a tackle..... shys out of making tackles.... plays at walking pace.... lots of you get lulled by the fact he can pass the ball ten yards..... hes absolutely nowhere near the standard for the requirements of the championship..with his overall game.... its to quick. And to physical.....let's see who wants him when he leaves.... we had the same debate when smallbone went back to Southampton last year. People on here were talking like he was Messi.....he was another who couldn't stand the physicality of the championship.... and he's a sub at saints.... and I can't see him being there next season either..... Smallbone has only missed three games for Southampton all season and has started in 80% of their matches great if you like that sort of thing stats look like he's carried on in the same vein as when he was here. Not my type of player. Burger knocks spots off him imo. |
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Apr 15, 2024 12:24:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2024 12:24:33 GMT
Burger has only got 2 goals and four assists all season. This is a player we understood to be attacking, and in that regard his stats are worse than Smallbone last season.
Don't get me wrong, there's definitely a player in there, he's bossed some games and I think in a good side at this level, bed be excellent for a team going for promotion.
If we had the chance to get our money back this summer though and instead sign a holding midfielder or striker who is top end for this level instead, I'd take it. Junho will be our attacking midfielder next year, we need some metal to back him up.
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Apr 15, 2024 12:26:39 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 15, 2024 12:26:39 GMT
Smallbone has only missed three games for Southampton all season and has started in 80% of their matches great if you like that sort of thing stats look like he's carried on in the same vein as when he was here. Not my type of player. Burger knocks spots off him imo. I agree, I was just correcting the idea that “he’s a sub at Saints” |
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Apr 15, 2024 12:45:38 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 15, 2024 12:45:38 GMT
Not from my seat he isnt.... Hes powder puff. Terrified of a tackle..... shys out of making tackles.... plays at walking pace.... lots of you get lulled by the fact he can pass the ball ten yards..... hes absolutely nowhere near the standard for the requirements of the championship..with his overall game.... its to quick. And to physical.....let's see who wants him when he leaves.... we had the same debate when smallbone went back to Southampton last year. People on here were talking like he was Messi.....he was another who couldn't stand the physicality of the championship.... and he's a sub at saints.... and I can't see him being there next season either..... Smallbone has only missed three games for Southampton all season and has started in 80% of their matches Smallbone is a decent player in a good Soton team Would walk into our side Morsy had done for Ipswich what we desperately need next season. |
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Apr 15, 2024 13:41:55 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 15, 2024 13:41:55 GMT
It's a weird one because he really doesn't fuss me one way or the other. Seems a bit of a jack of all trades master of none and couldn't see him working in a two. Three in the middle with a flashy bastard and an ugly bastard would likely get the most out of him but can't say I've seen anywhere near enough to build a team around him. Really can't see him being the new Whelan for example and is he roughly on a level with Gleghorn and/or Kav in terms of ability/ standing in terms of our center midfielders over the last 25 years? In fairness to Burger though he hasn't a Wallace or O'Connor to put the graft in so it would be interesting to see how he got on next to a genuine ball winning centre midfielder. Thats why I'd like to see Pearson get himself fit, don't think he has been all season really, and rehabilitated appreciate the dumb cards issue won't go away |
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Apr 15, 2024 13:43:31 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 15, 2024 13:43:31 GMT
But surely he's only going to be bought by someone else if he's a good player? Then how have we ended with such poor players?.. We bought them.... are they all good because we purchased them?.... of course not.... its a unique industry where commodities are bought and sold regardless of the quality the individual has.. As I said... just my opinion... . Save your bait..... there's nothing biting here Not baiting anyone, not my style Just don't understand the point you made that you thought Burger wasn't good (no probs that's an opinion) but that someone will buy him That doesn't make sense to me |
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Post by walton corner on Apr 15, 2024 13:50:29 GMT
can’t see why fans can’t see thompson is our best holding midfielder…
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million. campbell. juhnho ….
this side gets the 3 points sat ..simple
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 15, 2024 13:54:21 GMT
Stats are good. Pearson's are horrendous..... Not sure what those stats are supposed to prove beyond the duels a player initiates, so doesn't include the ones when he has possession. You can't use that chart to prove anything else. So Burger challenges more than Pearson and wins more of those challenges. The best midfielders don't have to make challenges very often because they read the game and intercept which is what Pearson is good at so you need to show interceptions chart alongside. Then what happens once the player has won the challenge because if a la Allen he then gives it away there isn't much point in winning the challenge unless it is leading to a goal scoring chance. And what about the other things a midfielder has to do? - passes, pass completion, receiving passes, creating chances, shooting, scoring. Winks is one of the best midfielders in the Championship but on that chart he is bang average. Is it best to make more challenges and lose most of them or to win the majority of the very few challenges you make? On its own this is a meaningless chart, picked out to prove that Burger is better than Pearson. |
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Apr 15, 2024 13:56:47 GMT
Post by jm on Apr 15, 2024 13:56:47 GMT
Stats are good. Pearson's are horrendous..... Good to see Smallbone fulfilling his potential. He's not a CDM though so can't be judged on those stats |
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Apr 15, 2024 13:58:32 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 15, 2024 13:58:32 GMT
Stats are good. Pearson's are horrendous..... Not sure what those stats are supposed to prove beyond the duals a player gets initiates, so doesn't include the ones when he has possession. You can't use that chart to prove anything else. So Burger challenges more than Pearson and wins more of those challenges. The best midfielders don't have to make challenges very often because they read the game and intercept which is what Pearson is good at so you need to show interceptions chart alongside. Then what happens once the player has won the challenge because if a la Allen he then gives it away there isn't much point in winning the challenge unless it is leading to a goal scoring chance. And what about the other things a midfielder has to - passes, pass completion, receiving passes, creating chances, shooting scoring. Winks is one of the best midfielders in the Championship but on that chart he is bang average. Is it best to make more challenges and lose most of them or to win the majority of the very few challenges you make? On its own this is a meaningless chart, picked out to prove that Burger is better than Pearson. They prove that our holding/defensive midfielder has been absolutely shite in the role he's meant to perform compared to Burger. Winks is bang average by the way......... |
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Apr 15, 2024 14:03:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2024 14:03:06 GMT
It's a weird one because he really doesn't fuss me one way or the other. Seems a bit of a jack of all trades master of none and couldn't see him working in a two. Three in the middle with a flashy bastard and an ugly bastard would likely get the most out of him but can't say I've seen anywhere near enough to build a team around him. Really can't see him being the new Whelan for example and is he roughly on a level with Gleghorn and/or Kav in terms of ability/ standing in terms of our center midfielders over the last 25 years? In fairness to Burger though he hasn't a Wallace or O'Connor to put the graft in so it would be interesting to see how he got on next to a genuine ball winning centre midfielder. Thats why I'd like to see Pearson get himself fit, don't think he has been all season really, and rehabilitated appreciate the dumb cards issue won't go away Yeah, I’d really like to see a midfield of: Pearson Burger Bae Next season. I’m hoping Pearson can get some fitness and form and turn into the player that we thought we’d be signing. |
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Apr 15, 2024 14:03:45 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Apr 15, 2024 14:03:45 GMT
Not sure what those stats are supposed to prove beyond the duals a player gets initiates, so doesn't include the ones when he has possession. You can't use that chart to prove anything else. So Burger challenges more than Pearson and wins more of those challenges. The best midfielders don't have to make challenges very often because they read the game and intercept which is what Pearson is good at so you need to show interceptions chart alongside. Then what happens once the player has won the challenge because if a la Allen he then gives it away there isn't much point in winning the challenge unless it is leading to a goal scoring chance. And what about the other things a midfielder has to - passes, pass completion, receiving passes, creating chances, shooting scoring. Winks is one of the best midfielders in the Championship but on that chart he is bang average. Is it best to make more challenges and lose most of them or to win the majority of the very few challenges you make? On its own this is a meaningless chart, picked out to prove that Burger is better than Pearson. They prove that our holding/defensive midfielder has been absolutely shite in the role he's meant to perform compared to Burger. Winks is bang average by the way......... So we ignore all the other attributes a holding midfielder needs? Pearson's strength is seeing what is happening in front of him and getting there first but those interceptions are not available on that chart. By the way I'd rather have Burger any day to Pearson, I wasn't even a fan last year and I hoped we wouldn't buy him but he reads the game well and can pass short or long. |
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Apr 15, 2024 14:04:42 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 15, 2024 14:04:42 GMT
They prove that our holding/defensive midfielder has been absolutely shite in the role he's meant to perform compared to Burger. Winks is bang average by the way......... So we ignore all the other attributes a holding midfielder needs? Pearson's strength is seeing what is happening in front of him and getting there first but those interceptions are not available on that chart. By the way I'd rather have Burger any day to Pearson, I wasn't even a fan last year and I hoped we wouldn't buy him but he reads the game well and can pass short or long. Pearson by every metric this season hasn't shown any attributes, he's been woeful.......... |
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Apr 15, 2024 14:07:04 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Apr 15, 2024 14:07:04 GMT
So we ignore all the other attributes a holding midfielder needs? Pearson's strength is seeing what is happening in front of him and getting there first but those interceptions are not available on that chart. By the way I'd rather have Burger any day to Pearson, I wasn't even a fan last year and I hoped we wouldn't buy him but he reads the game well and can pass short or long. Pearson by every metric this season hasn't shown any attributes, he's been woeful.......... Agree but you can't use that chart to stand alone and prove it. |
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Apr 15, 2024 15:18:50 GMT
Post by baconburger on Apr 15, 2024 15:18:50 GMT
Smallbone has only missed three games for Southampton all season and has started in 80% of their matches Smallbone is a decent player in a good Soton team Would walk into our side Morsy had done for Ipswich what we desperately need next season. Smallbone is a nothing player for me very little end product, can't hack the physical side, always taking the safe easy option about as useful as Haksabanovic.(yes I know they play a different position) |
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Apr 15, 2024 15:21:02 GMT
Post by baconburger on Apr 15, 2024 15:21:02 GMT
So we ignore all the other attributes a holding midfielder needs? Pearson's strength is seeing what is happening in front of him and getting there first but those interceptions are not available on that chart. By the way I'd rather have Burger any day to Pearson, I wasn't even a fan last year and I hoped we wouldn't buy him but he reads the game well and can pass short or long. Pearson by every metric this season hasn't shown any attributes, he's been woeful.......... unprofessional joke. |
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