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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 13, 2024 22:00:03 GMT
If Burger is just bang average,what does that make the rest of them?
He is our best player by a country mile.
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Post by spoton on Apr 13, 2024 22:29:02 GMT
If Burger is just bang average,what does that make the rest of them? He is our best player by a country mile. It's very hard to say he's our best player because they have all been bad, probably better saying he's not as bad as others would be a fair way of putting it, personally don't think he's that good like others have said he seems to run around in circles the goal threat we all thought he was going to be is not there so if someone offered 5 mill I'd let him go |
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Apr 13, 2024 23:26:10 GMT
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Post by ethers26 on Apr 13, 2024 23:26:10 GMT
What's our record with / without him this season?
I think we look better without. And have noticed that since Pearson replaced him and stupidly got sent off..
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Apr 13, 2024 23:31:34 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Apr 13, 2024 23:31:34 GMT
He apparently had a concussion today due to Iversen punching the back of his head on one of their corners. That explains why he was substituted not why he was so rubbish first half. |
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Post by a on Apr 13, 2024 23:38:22 GMT
Idiots with pitchforks
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 13, 2024 23:38:41 GMT
I still think a fit Pearson alongside Burger and Bae should be our midfield for next season. ....................Iversen..................... Junior.........New..........New............New ....................Pearson.................... ............Burger..........Bae................. Manhoef...............New...................New Subs; Bonham, Rose, Gooche, Thompson, Sidibe, Mmaee, ........................ Buy Iversen! Two new central defenders! A new first starting 11 left back! A new winger with bags of pace! A new striker: Assante. Offload: Wesley, Clarke, Campbell and Stevens, out of contract! Send back the loanees apart from Iversen: Hoever, Cundle, McNally and Haksa. Try to sell: Laurent, Baker, Vidigal, Wilmot, Ennis and Tezgel! If we can offload all these we really should have some money to spend as well!  I honestly feel one of the reasons for our struggles to blend into a unified team fighting for each other is that we brought in so many new players last summer and had no central core of players left over to set the tone. I think we had Wilmot, Thompson, Laurent, Baker, Campbell, Gayle and Bonham there to welcome the new signings and tell them about the ethos and history of the club. Not a great welcoming committee. Only Campbell and Thompson and possibly Wilmot had been here long enough to feel any real affinity with the club. If a lesson is to be learned from last summer it should be not to make so many wholesale changes. Four or five quality additions please. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 14, 2024 0:35:39 GMT
He's alright. Quite like his attitude, fairly limited ability but respects the shirt so deserves our respect. More than can be said of many out there today.
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Post by westlandstokie on Apr 14, 2024 4:57:23 GMT
I really don’t get the Burger love in…he’s bang average…the fact that he occasionally stands out in an awful team masks the fact that he is an average player. You don't watch Stoke very often can be my only conclusion based on that statement No I don’t…I’ve only had a season ticket for 40+ years…I also travel to away games…I rarely miss a match so yeah you are right I don’t watch Stoke much…I still stand by my statement. |
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Apr 14, 2024 4:58:14 GMT
Post by westlandstokie on Apr 14, 2024 4:58:14 GMT
If Burger is just bang average,what does that make the rest of them? He is our best player by a country mile. And that was my point…he stands out in a truly awful team. |
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Post by westlandstokie on Apr 14, 2024 4:58:45 GMT
If Burger is just bang average,what does that make the rest of them? He is our best player by a country mile. It's very hard to say he's our best player because they have all been bad, probably better saying he's not as bad as others would be a fair way of putting it, personally don't think he's that good like others have said he seems to run around in circles the goal threat we all thought he was going to be is not there so if someone offered 5 mill I'd let him go 100% |
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Apr 14, 2024 5:19:17 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Apr 14, 2024 5:19:17 GMT
I still think a fit Pearson alongside Burger and Bae should be our midfield for next season. ....................Iversen..................... Junior.........New..........New............New ....................Pearson.................... ............Burger..........Bae................. Manhoef...............New...................New Subs; Bonham, Rose, Gooche, Thompson, Sidibe, Mmaee, ........................ Buy Iversen! Two new central defenders! A new first starting 11 left back! A new winger with bags of pace! A new striker: Assante. Offload: Wesley, Clarke, Campbell and Stevens, out of contract! Send back the loanees apart from Iversen: Hoever, Cundle, McNally and Haksa. Try to sell: Laurent, Baker, Vidigal, Wilmot, Ennis and Tezgel! If we can offload all these we really should have some money to spend as well! Would like to give tezgel a couple more seasons to develop, he's still only a teenager. Lowe on the other hand has shown he is not up to and never will be up to championship football, in a race between him and me, with me running in a pair of wellies I'd still fancy myself to win. I fear Tezgel will be another promising youngster to never make it, mostly because of all his injuries. If we could get a decent amount of money for him I would sell, yes.  |
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Apr 14, 2024 9:30:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2024 9:30:21 GMT
Stoke are slowly draining his ability and love for the sport.
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Apr 14, 2024 9:42:31 GMT
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Post by uknorse on Apr 14, 2024 9:42:31 GMT
If Burger is just bang average,what does that make the rest of them? He is our best player by a country mile. Not from my seat he isnt.... Hes powder puff. Terrified of a tackle..... shys out of making tackles.... plays at walking pace.... lots of you get lulled by the fact he can pass the ball ten yards..... hes absolutely nowhere near the standard for the requirements of the championship..with his overall game.... its to quick. And to physical.....let's see who wants him when he leaves.... we had the same debate when smallbone went back to Southampton last year. People on here were talking like he was Messi.....he was another who couldn't stand the physicality of the championship.... and he's a sub at saints.... and I can't see him being there next season either..... |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 14, 2024 17:26:14 GMT
He's been really poor the last three games but I'm surprised by some of the opinions on here! He's a very good player.
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Apr 14, 2024 18:05:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2024 18:05:37 GMT
Stoke are slowly draining his ability and love for the sport. At least he’ll have some empathy for the fans then 😂 |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 14, 2024 18:30:09 GMT
If Burger is just bang average,what does that make the rest of them? He is our best player by a country mile. Not from my seat he isnt.... Hes powder puff. Terrified of a tackle..... shys out of making tackles.... plays at walking pace.... lots of you get lulled by the fact he can pass the ball ten yards..... hes absolutely nowhere near the standard for the requirements of the championship..with his overall game.... its to quick. And to physical.....let's see who wants him when he leaves.... we had the same debate when smallbone went back to Southampton last year. People on here were talking like he was Messi.....he was another who couldn't stand the physicality of the championship.... and he's a sub at saints.... and I can't see him being there next season either..... Nahhhhhh, he’s shown he’s more than capable on all fronts. He’ll probably still win most of the end of season awards, and hopefully is one we keep for next season and build around him and Junho. He’s only young and in a new environment, unfortunately he’s not played well for the last few games. |
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Post by jeycov on Apr 14, 2024 18:47:07 GMT
He's been really poor the last three games but I'm surprised by some of the opinions on here! He's a very good player. I’d give the captains armband back to him, let him have more influence in organising the midfield |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 14, 2024 18:50:46 GMT
He's been really poor the last three games but I'm surprised by some of the opinions on here! He's a very good player. I’d give the captains armband back to him, let him have more influence in organising the midfield Not going to happen this season unless Laurent is dropped/injured. I agree though, he seemed to rise to being captain. |
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Apr 15, 2024 10:02:38 GMT
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Post by uknorse on Apr 15, 2024 10:02:38 GMT
Not from my seat he isnt.... Hes powder puff. Terrified of a tackle..... shys out of making tackles.... plays at walking pace.... lots of you get lulled by the fact he can pass the ball ten yards..... hes absolutely nowhere near the standard for the requirements of the championship..with his overall game.... its to quick. And to physical.....let's see who wants him when he leaves.... we had the same debate when smallbone went back to Southampton last year. People on here were talking like he was Messi.....he was another who couldn't stand the physicality of the championship.... and he's a sub at saints.... and I can't see him being there next season either..... Nahhhhhh, he’s shown he’s more than capable on all fronts. He’ll probably still win most of the end of season awards, and hopefully is one we keep for next season and build around him and Junho. He’s only young and in a new environment, unfortunately he’s not played well for the last few games. Opinions eh? I think he will be gone by January at the longest |
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Apr 15, 2024 10:15:41 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 15, 2024 10:15:41 GMT
Nahhhhhh, he’s shown he’s more than capable on all fronts. He’ll probably still win most of the end of season awards, and hopefully is one we keep for next season and build around him and Junho. He’s only young and in a new environment, unfortunately he’s not played well for the last few games. Opinions eh? I think he will be gone by January at the longest Gone because he's not good enough? Or gone because someone buys him? |
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Apr 15, 2024 10:51:42 GMT
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Post by uknorse on Apr 15, 2024 10:51:42 GMT
Opinions eh? I think he will be gone by January at the longest Gone because he's not good enough? Or gone because someone buys him? But of bith in my opinion. And thats what this forum is all about.... different opinions.... I personally don't think hes any better or worse than the rest of the midfielders we have.... I dont see anyone of any calibre rushing to buy any of our players during the summer... I'm sure il be reminded if I'm wrong |
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Apr 15, 2024 10:57:56 GMT
Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 15, 2024 10:57:56 GMT
He played his best football as the central DM, with two advanced midfielders in front of him.
On paper, Laurent and Baker in front of him should work great, but this is Stoke.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Apr 15, 2024 10:59:09 GMT
This forum genuinely makes me want to gouge my eyes out at times.
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 15, 2024 11:04:47 GMT
From what I've seen he seems to be chasing everything down and ends up out of position trying to make up for the short coming of others and it's affecting his game.
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Apr 15, 2024 11:06:24 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 15, 2024 11:06:24 GMT
Gone because he's not good enough? Or gone because someone buys him? But of bith in my opinion. And thats what this forum is all about.... different opinions.... I personally don't think hes any better or worse than the rest of the midfielders we have.... I dont see anyone of any calibre rushing to buy any of our players during the summer... I'm sure il be reminded if I'm wrong But surely he's only going to be bought by someone else if he's a good player? |
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Post by noustie on Apr 15, 2024 11:12:04 GMT
It's a weird one because he really doesn't fuss me one way or the other. Seems a bit of a jack of all trades master of none and couldn't see him working in a two. Three in the middle with a flashy bastard and an ugly bastard would likely get the most out of him but can't say I've seen anywhere near enough to build a team around him.
Really can't see him being the new Whelan for example and is he roughly on a level with Gleghorn and/or Kav in terms of ability/ standing in terms of our center midfielders over the last 25 years? In fairness to Burger though he hasn't a Wallace or O'Connor to put the graft in so it would be interesting to see how he got on next to a genuine ball winning centre midfielder.
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Post by lordb on Apr 15, 2024 11:13:53 GMT
It's a weird one because he really doesn't fuss me one way or the other. Seems a bit of a jack of all trades master of none and couldn't see him working in a two. Three in the middle with a flashy bastard and an ugly bastard would likely get the most out of him but can't say I've seen anywhere near enough to build a team around him. Really can't see him being the new Whelan for example and is he roughly on a level with Gleghorn and/or Kav in terms of ability/ standing in terms of our center midfielders over the last 25 years? In fairness to Burger though he hasn't a Wallace or O'Connor to put the graft in so it would be interesting to see how he got on next to a genuine ball winning centre midfielder. Thats why I'd like to see Pearson get himself fit, don't think he has been all season really, and rehabilitated appreciate the dumb cards issue won't go away |
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Apr 15, 2024 11:13:55 GMT
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Post by uknorse on Apr 15, 2024 11:13:55 GMT
But of bith in my opinion. And thats what this forum is all about.... different opinions.... I personally don't think hes any better or worse than the rest of the midfielders we have.... I dont see anyone of any calibre rushing to buy any of our players during the summer... I'm sure il be reminded if I'm wrong But surely he's only going to be bought by someone else if he's a good player? Then how have we ended with such poor players?.. We bought them.... are they all good because we purchased them?.... of course not.... its a unique industry where commodities are bought and sold regardless of the quality the individual has.. As I said... just my opinion... . Save your bait..... there's nothing biting here |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 15, 2024 11:16:04 GMT
He's only just 23, playing in a shit side in his first season since moving over from the continent. For a lot of the season, he's been very decent. Has suffered a drop in form coinciding with suspensions and injuries.
Of all the issues we have in the squad, he's just about the last on the list.
Got far bigger problems like clown show Ben Pearson having 3 years left on his deal on what I imagine will be very decent wages for a yellow card every game and losing the majority of his tackles/duels in midfield.
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Apr 15, 2024 11:19:16 GMT
Post by pez75 on Apr 15, 2024 11:19:16 GMT
Some short memories on here - would never have got the point v WBA without him.
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