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Post by wonderwall on Apr 12, 2024 18:32:28 GMT
Too right, considering they rejected £8m from Lazio in Jan. Who would be happy in the scenario that we sell Burger for 15/20 million in summer and spend a large chunk of that on someone like whittaker, and the remaining on plugging the defence and sourcing another replacement Burger type from abroad? Burger 15/20mil 🤣🤣🤣 Comedy gold! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2024 19:31:48 GMT
It's been mentioned that the last of the COVID years drop out of the three year cycle, but not sure on that one. Maybe that will give us a bit more leeway? I'd be looking more closely at the League One SCMP rules if I were you... That is correct. 2021-22 was the last albeit Stoke or nobody should fail anyway because clubs who lose between X and Y in 3 years have to submit the next 2 years forecast to the EFL by March 31st in order to demonstrate that they will comply and if required work with the League to avoid failing either the next year or year after that. That isn't to say that clubs have a free hand, but wouldn't be unduly restricted either unless they decided to disregard matters. PL has the +2 Years mechanism but they seem to lack the future monitoring aspect so clubs basically have a freeish hand until December, then Accounts go in and they're over charges in mid January. I don't understand why you're on here when you said on your board that "Sending Stoke down would be a delight", MrPopodopolous www.otib.co.uk/topic/225078-sending-stoke-down/?do=findComment&comment=4858439 |
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Post by fraybentos on Apr 12, 2024 19:35:24 GMT
I wouldn’t give the scouser a penny if Ennis and cundle is anything to go by. hes not to be trusted with any transfers |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2024 19:38:36 GMT
I wouldn’t like to see us try and “rebuild” anyways. A first choice central defender, left back, goalkeeper and striker. There is some ability in this squad in Burger, Baker, Bae, Million and Junior could all be top 6 players in this league in the right squad. We just need to bring in others that are somewhat competent.
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Post by thornestein on Apr 12, 2024 19:42:02 GMT
I wouldn’t like to see us try and “rebuild” anyways. A first choice central defender, left back, goalkeeper and striker. There is some ability in this squad in Burger, Baker, Bae, Million and Junior could all be top 6 players in this league in the right squad. We just need to bring in others that are somewhat competent. Baker should be sold or given away |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2024 19:43:54 GMT
I wouldn’t like to see us try and “rebuild” anyways. A first choice central defender, left back, goalkeeper and striker. There is some ability in this squad in Burger, Baker, Bae, Million and Junior could all be top 6 players in this league in the right squad. We just need to bring in others that are somewhat competent. Baker should be sold or given away Yeah, I disagree. However, I’ve said as much many a time so I won’t get into it again. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Apr 12, 2024 19:49:34 GMT
Don't we need 17 players??
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Post by independent on Apr 12, 2024 19:56:27 GMT
I wouldn’t like to see us try and “rebuild” anyways. A first choice central defender, left back, goalkeeper and striker. There is some ability in this squad in Burger, Baker, Bae, Million and Junior could all be top 6 players in this league in the right squad. We just need to bring in others that are somewhat competent. We will have more money to spend this summer. Forget another rebuild and get get good foundations in. That should be the priority along with getting rid of overpaid players who are contributing nothing. Instead of gambling and going for broke,can we just stabilise and begin the job of building a decent team that the fans can get behind. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Apr 12, 2024 20:04:26 GMT
I wouldn’t like to see us try and “rebuild” anyways. A first choice central defender, left back, goalkeeper and striker. There is some ability in this squad in Burger, Baker, Bae, Million and Junior could all be top 6 players in this league in the right squad. We just need to bring in others that are somewhat competent. We will have more money to spend this summer. Forget another rebuild and get get good foundations in. That should be the priority along with getting rid of overpaid players who are contributing nothing. Instead of gambling and going for broke,can we just stabilise and begin the job of building a decent team that the fans can get behind. Crazy assumptions. Crazy. No basis at all |
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Post by karl on Apr 12, 2024 21:03:19 GMT
We need a permanent number 1 goal keeper, a new CB, 2 x LB, RB, DM Leader, 2x Strikers
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 12, 2024 21:12:26 GMT
I wouldn’t give the scouser a penny if Ennis and cundle is anything to go by. Totally agree Hi Denise. Hows the new house? |
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Post by karl on Apr 12, 2024 21:15:16 GMT
Don't we need 17 players?? Probably 8 and most of them will be loans |
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Post by pushon on Apr 12, 2024 21:22:08 GMT
I wouldn’t like to see us try and “rebuild” anyways. A first choice central defender, left back, goalkeeper and striker. There is some ability in this squad in Burger, Baker, Bae, Million and Junior could all be top 6 players in this league in the right squad. We just need to bring in others that are somewhat competent. We will have more money to spend this summer. Forget another rebuild and get get good foundations in. That should be the priority along with getting rid of overpaid players who are contributing nothing. Instead of gambling and going for broke,can we just stabilise and begin the job of building a decent team that the fans can get behind. That surely depends upon the controller of the 'Purse Strings' at Bet365, the club doesn't generate any significant surplus income. |
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Post by Goonie on Apr 12, 2024 21:32:53 GMT
We'll easily have the biggest budget in the League
(One 😫💩🫣)
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Post by whatsashig on Apr 12, 2024 21:51:17 GMT
Are we going to be in a better position moving forward, or are we likely to be shackled by FFP again?. Spending power is nothing at our level, we are where we are because we got sucked into that, there’s only a few clubs that can really contain wasting money, this is evident in where manure and Chelsea are, never mind smaller clubs like ourselves, it ain’t loads a money , patient introduction of right players at right time is needed, no roulette, this is difficult to achieve ally ~92~ clubs want success, we need abide by our motto |
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Post by whatsashig on Apr 12, 2024 23:09:22 GMT
Was there not a point in our past we was hoping the old whealand round car park was going be sold of to save our asses, so we had loads a money. Whilst that was going on we had alan ball and vaguely remember he had a million squid to chuck at a team , just more high roller nowadays, we just went through that and found Lou 🤷♂️
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Post by bristolcityinpeace on Apr 14, 2024 15:55:20 GMT
That is correct. 2021-22 was the last albeit Stoke or nobody should fail anyway because clubs who lose between X and Y in 3 years have to submit the next 2 years forecast to the EFL by March 31st in order to demonstrate that they will comply and if required work with the League to avoid failing either the next year or year after that. That isn't to say that clubs have a free hand, but wouldn't be unduly restricted either unless they decided to disregard matters. PL has the +2 Years mechanism but they seem to lack the future monitoring aspect so clubs basically have a freeish hand until December, then Accounts go in and they're over charges in mid January. I don't understand why you're on here when you said on your board that "Sending Stoke down would be a delight", MrPopodopolous www.otib.co.uk/topic/225078-sending-stoke-down/?do=findComment&comment=4858439To be honest, it isn't personal to Stoke. In 2017 having steered clear of the drop belatedly we knew that winning at Home v Birmingham on the last day, even drawing as it turned out coukd send them down. Sadly we didn't really show up- lots of possession but nothing in the final third, after ironically our Home form being the bedrock of the survival push. Isn't it a bit of football culture? "We are staying up, they are going down" etc. Stoke should stay up in any case. Done enough, have enough IMO. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 14, 2024 16:09:17 GMT
I think we need at least 1 centre back, probably 2, 1 left back, 1 creative midfielder, 1 permanent keeper and 1 striker as a minimum, but probably wanting about 8 when you look below inc loanees
We would lose the 5 loan players. I'd take Iversen back, possibly Hoever and Cundle too, I'd let McNally and Hakobanovic go back plus I think we will see the back of Wesley, Campbell, Stevens, Clarke, Johnson.
Of the 5 we need to sign, I'd be going for Iversen, Grimes, Stansfield, Cresswell and Burrows. Then a sprinking of loanees.
I'd keep Pearson and Thompson though
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Post by chiswickpotter on Apr 14, 2024 16:24:00 GMT
If that was the case in league's 1 and 2 owners can make donations to the club without falling foul of the SCMP also I think we'd still generate a good income and it's percentages on salaries I think. They can, but an issue is that excess owner contribution as the Rules are presently constructed is possibly adjusted out when back in the Championship for P&S purposes and judged on the £39m (plus Allowables) again. A club could rack up £50m losses in League One with a huge owner donation or similar, but would suddenly have to swing right back in line if they go back up making such a loss. Surely the £39m is the only constraint that applies not how the profit has been made? The EFL doesn’t adjust accounts for clubs relegated from the PL so why would it adjust between divisions with different rules? If it did why would L1 have any if its own rules. |
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Post by moon on Apr 14, 2024 16:43:31 GMT
I wouldn’t like to see us try and “rebuild” anyways. A first choice central defender, left back, goalkeeper and striker. There is some ability in this squad in Burger, Baker, Bae, Million and Junior could all be top 6 players in this league in the right squad. We just need to bring in others that are somewhat competent. Pretty much my thoughts too, a handful of signings (along with extending some of the current loanees) and I think this team can be competitive. I certainly don’t want to see us try and change the whole squad again, it’ll likely end in the same way as previous rebuilds. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Apr 15, 2024 9:31:26 GMT
Loan move for Souttar, a foreign centre back. The goalie from Bournemouth whose name escapes me and a big fast striker would do me.
Oh and a left back.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 15, 2024 9:38:03 GMT
I’d like see us go for an experienced central defender. Someone in the Johnny Evans or Craig Dawson mould of player who’s not quite able to play regularly in the Premier League but more than good enough to drop down and play in the Championship.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 15, 2024 10:03:18 GMT
I am really not convinced by Iversen at all, there must be better and cheaper keepers out there. We do lack a few older heads to galvanised us at times, we really don't have a stand out leader when the going gets tough. Not sure M'waee will hang around, if not our striker options look very grim😞
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Post by baconburger on Apr 15, 2024 10:08:05 GMT
First and foremost we need to address the goalscoring. We will never achieve the desired improvement by trying to mitigate being a low scoring team.
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Post by Goonie on Apr 15, 2024 10:23:31 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 15, 2024 10:23:57 GMT
Why do people want Iversen? Bonham was better, it’s all gone tits up since Iversen came in.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 15, 2024 10:25:21 GMT
Championship - minimal League One with limited FFP constraints:  |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 15, 2024 10:29:27 GMT
Who would be happy in the scenario that we sell Burger for 15/20 million in summer and spend a large chunk of that on someone like whittaker, and the remaining on plugging the defence and sourcing another replacement Burger type from abroad? Burger 15/20mil 🤣🤣🤣 Comedy gold! Valued at 5m on Transfermarkt. I'd think that's about right currently. If we improve as a team with burger in it I'd say his valuation could potentially reach 10m.. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 15, 2024 10:54:38 GMT
Why do people want Iversen? Bonham was better, it’s all gone tits up since Iversen came in. Not exactly fact is it? After some shaky games in the beginning Iversen has been really good and deserves a lot of credit for his performances. Bonham is a disaster in the box, but is decent on the line. Anyway, Iversen is a much better overall goalkeeper in my opinion. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but I actuallt think Iversen is better at everything compared to Bonham.  |
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Post by independent on Apr 15, 2024 11:05:14 GMT
Would this be Sam Vokes without the transfer fee. Surely no more than a 1 year contract if we did sign him, even then he would be on big wages. |
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