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Post by yellowsnowman on Apr 2, 2024 13:57:40 GMT
It was clear early on that the squad was poor. It was clear at the start we didnt have enough cbs or lbs. The cbs we have are squad players at best. As the season has played out it was clear our wide options where poor. Everyone thought vidigal was amazing when in reality hes bang average there is not enough depth either to switch it up. We didnt do enough in the gk department so when we lost travers we had only bonham as first choice who to be far, was playing ok up until iversen came in. But had some howlers prior.
We have no forward who can score 10 or more goals. Out of our midfielders, (not wingers) id keep burger, bae, laurent, pearson. Thats it.
SS has a monsterous task on his hands anyone thinking otherwise is bonkers.
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Post by moon on Apr 2, 2024 14:55:40 GMT
It was clear early on that the squad was poor. It was clear at the start we didnt have enough cbs or lbs. The cbs we have are squad players at best. As the season has played out it was clear our wide options where poor. Everyone thought vidigal was amazing when in reality hes bang average there is not enough depth either to switch it up. We didnt do enough in th gk department so when we lost travers we had only bonham as first choice who to be far, was playing ok up until iversen came in. But had some howlers prior. We have no forward who can score 10 or more goals. Out of our midfielders, (not wingers) id keep burger, bae, laurent, pearson. Thats it. SS has a monsterous task on his hands anyone thinking otherwise is bonkers. It depends what you consider his task to be for next season, and which league we're playing in.
If he's expected to turn this shambles into Championship playoff contenders by the start of next season then the task is unrealistic with one transfer window and he'll suffer the same fate as those before him. I fear this is the expectation of many fans though and regardless of who is at the helm I don't see us achieving this quickly.
I'd be aiming for a comfortable mid table finish, with progress in terms of the goals scored and the style we play, and aim to build on that the following season. That's still a big enough ask though based on the squad we have and the way we've been playing so far this time around, it's not to say it's impossible to achieve more than that - sometimes things click immediately and a team's fortune can change over the summer; but it's pretty rare, especially for Stoke City.
I hope Schumacher is backed properly - not just in the window, but also when we face tough periods, the board should back their man and not succumb to pressure from the fans when we have a few bad results in a row. Had we kept AN I think we'd be in a better position than we are now (despite how dire his football was), and the same goes for MON who was sacked ridiculously early in the season which only made matters worse for the man who had to follow him. If the board believe Schumacher is the right man, and they should believe that as they poached him in the first place, then back him properly and give him the resources and time to do the job he was hired to do. If not, we just repeat the churn of managers and players whilst achieving nothing in the meantime.
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Post by yellowsnowman on Apr 2, 2024 15:07:24 GMT
It was clear early on that the squad was poor. It was clear at the start we didnt have enough cbs or lbs. The cbs we have are squad players at best. As the season has played out it was clear our wide options where poor. Everyone thought vidigal was amazing when in reality hes bang average there is not enough depth either to switch it up. We didnt do enough in th gk department so when we lost travers we had only bonham as first choice who to be far, was playing ok up until iversen came in. But had some howlers prior. We have no forward who can score 10 or more goals. Out of our midfielders, (not wingers) id keep burger, bae, laurent, pearson. Thats it. SS has a monsterous task on his hands anyone thinking otherwise is bonkers. It depends what you consider his task to be for next season, and which league we're playing in.
If he's expected to turn this shambles into Championship playoff contenders by the start of next season then the task is unrealistic with one transfer window and he'll suffer the same fate as those before him. I fear this is the expectation of many fans though and regardless of who is at the helm I don't see us achieving this quickly.
I'd be aiming for a comfortable mid table finish, with progress in terms of the goals scored and the style we play, and aim to build on that the following season. That's still a big enough ask though based on the squad we have and the way we've been playing so far this time around, it's not to say it's impossible to achieve more than that - sometimes things click immediately and a team's fortune can change over the summer; but it's pretty rare, especially for Stoke City.
I hope Schumacher is backed properly - not just in the window, but also when we face tough periods, the board should back their man and not succumb to pressure from the fans when we have a few bad results in a row. Had we kept AN I think we'd be in a better position than we are now (despite how dire his football was), and the same goes for MON who was sacked ridiculously early in the season which only made matters worse for the man who had to follow him. If the board believe Schumacher is the right man, and they should believe that as they poached him in the first place, then back him properly and give him the resources and time to do the job he was hired to do. If not, we just repeat the churn of managers and players whilst achieving nothing in the meantime.
Spot on. If we stay up which im sure we will we need to be striving for the top 10 places that in its self would be a massive improvement, you would hopefully have decent spine and you would add only a couple to that and go again top 6 etc. I like SS i hope hes here next year and i hope he is backed aswell. |
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Post by chell_rosey on Apr 2, 2024 15:47:58 GMT
IF we can hang on to our better players. So what do you see the team being then with the current lot and only needing 3/4? I just can’t see it? We need 3 from 4 starting back 4 plauers don’t we? Oh, I THINK we need 6 or 7 in, but don't see us shifting the dross and getting more than 3 or 4 in. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 2, 2024 16:07:46 GMT
Above all else, we still need; 1. An aggressive leader at centre back. 2. A powerful goalscorer to lead the line. So does every team in the league. Correct. The trouble is most of them seem to have #1 already. #2 should be easy to find for our wonderful transfer guru. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 2, 2024 16:44:44 GMT
So does every team in the league. Correct. The trouble is most of them seem to have #1 already. #2 should be easy to find for our wonderful transfer guru. Only 1 out and out striker has scored 20 goals this season (Adam Armstrong at Southampton). When you look at the list there's loads of attacking midfielders/wide forwards on there, the game is changing and if you can get a striker who leads the line well and brings in the players around him he doesn't necessarily have to be prolific. Ipswich for example are the leagues top scorers with 84 and their highest scorers are Chaplin and Broadhead (13 apiece) neither of which are out and out strikers. |
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Post by Ron on Apr 2, 2024 17:04:51 GMT
There were too many “punts” in the summer though, a trap we cannot fall into. We needed more Gooch’s ( experienced at the level) than foreign punts. As pointed out Will Keane would have been a vastly better purchase than Wesley- many stoke players have lived in and around Manchester so we’re as good as a north west club in terms of area.
Those are the types we need- solid performers at champ level. Look at Ipswich with morsy and luongo- both players we could’ve had easily.
The players are always out there- we just go for the wrong ones consistently.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 2, 2024 17:16:56 GMT
I hope we look at League One this summer. Plenty of solid if not spectacular players who could improve us.
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Post by karl on Apr 2, 2024 17:25:43 GMT
Think we should avoid the foreign market unless we are getting players to be part of the under 23's then loan out before they start for the first team.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2024 17:29:49 GMT
There are some cracking out of contract players to be had from the championship in the summer. Whether they’d come to us is another matter of course
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2024 17:30:21 GMT
Think we should avoid the foreign market unless we are getting players to be part of the under 23's then loan out before they start for the first team. What’s your rationale? |
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Post by march4 on Apr 4, 2024 17:33:16 GMT
As part of the rebuild, we need to move some people on and get a useful amount of money for them. That is a vital part of the recruitment team’s duties.
I would suggest Mmaee, Vidigal, Baker, Pearson, Wilmot and Johnson.
That could put a bit of money back in the kitty.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 4, 2024 17:48:59 GMT
It's going to be same same isn't it.
Few shipped out.
Few journeymen shipped in.
Couple of reserve Prem loan signings.
Be lucky if we get a "rock the city" these days.
Start off OK.
Drop off around Xmas.
Calls for new manager.
SJW sacked.
Recover to mid table after a couple of window signings.
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Post by thornestein on Apr 4, 2024 17:50:32 GMT
As part of the rebuild, we need to move some people on and get a useful amount of money for them. That is a vital part of the recruitment team’s duties. I would suggest Mmaee, Vidigal, Baker, Pearson, Wilmot and Johnson. That could put a bit of money back in the kitty. who would want them , and it wouldn’t be much |
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 4, 2024 17:53:00 GMT
Think we should avoid the foreign market unless we are getting players to be part of the under 23's then loan out before they start for the first team. Why mate?🔴⚪️ |
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 4, 2024 18:00:55 GMT
There are some cracking out of contract players to be had from the championship in the summer. Whether they’d come to us is another matter of course Who dat den ?? |
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Post by bolders on Apr 4, 2024 18:18:43 GMT
As part of the rebuild, we need to move some people on and get a useful amount of money for them. That is a vital part of the recruitment team’s duties. I would suggest Mmaee, Vidigal, Baker, Pearson, Wilmot and Johnson. That could put a bit of money back in the kitty. who would want them , and it wouldn’t be much This is something a lot on here can’t comprehend |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2024 18:32:48 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 4, 2024 18:48:33 GMT
👍 Bet SJW is having a rummage through that as we speak.😁 |
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Post by bolders on Apr 4, 2024 21:30:58 GMT
I’d take Paddy McNair, Jake Cooper, Axel Tuanzebe and Nathaniel Chalobah |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 5, 2024 10:03:41 GMT
As part of the rebuild, we need to move some people on and get a useful amount of money for them. That is a vital part of the recruitment team’s duties. I would suggest Mmaee, Vidigal, Baker, Pearson, Wilmot and Johnson. That could put a bit of money back in the kitty. TransferMarket website reckons; Mmaee 3m Vidigal 1.5m Baker 2m Pearson 2m Wilmot 5m 😳 Johnson 800k. My estimate would be half that at best. But to be fair I know feck all... |
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 5, 2024 10:07:01 GMT
For once quite a decent selection of out of contract players, I can see Tyres Dolan as being someone SS would be interested in👍
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 5, 2024 10:07:36 GMT
Paddy McNair another great shout👍
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