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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 1, 2024 20:07:58 GMT
Today it seem psychological. I thought we were the better team in the first 10-15 mins and were in control. Then Huddersfield had their disallowed goal, which came out of nowhere really and it gave them some belief while it seemed to rattle us. When Baker hit the bar we seemed to settle down but then gave them a sloppy goal. Whatever was said at half-time worked, positively. Though we need people to shoot more Feels like it’s always one pass too many before we get a shot away, if at all. There’s no natural finishers at the club.
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Post by Picasso on Apr 1, 2024 20:09:10 GMT
This seems quite harsh on Schumacher. Overall, he is gradually working things out and our recent form shows a decent upturn. Maybe today was a missed opportunity, but equally, we have kept Huddersfield 5 points behind us in a game where they needed to give it everything. The primary problem at the moment is most definitely not the manager. I disagree. I’m so disappointed with him. When he was appointed he sounded perfect with his four supposed non-negotiables, but he doesn’t even seem to try and deliver them any more. He hasn’t done anything that Neil wasn’t already doing, and I really didn’t like Neil. Starting Leris and Ennis today was just the latest in an increasingly long line of bottled team selections from him that produce dour, passive football. I have no faith in him to spend money well this summer and think there’s sadly every chance we’ll find ourselves struggling and managerless again by Christmas having signed a load of players that nobody else would want. Well, the overall direction is changing for the better and this is with someone else’s squad, pretty much. We know the kind of attacking football that Schumacher can deliver, but with the players he’s been handed, this is going to take time. Again, it seems harsh to say you have no faith in him spending money, I don’t think this can be judged yet, other than to say that he did alright in this regard at Plymouth.
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Post by walrus on Apr 1, 2024 20:17:23 GMT
I disagree. I’m so disappointed with him. When he was appointed he sounded perfect with his four supposed non-negotiables, but he doesn’t even seem to try and deliver them any more. He hasn’t done anything that Neil wasn’t already doing, and I really didn’t like Neil. Starting Leris and Ennis today was just the latest in an increasingly long line of bottled team selections from him that produce dour, passive football. I have no faith in him to spend money well this summer and think there’s sadly every chance we’ll find ourselves struggling and managerless again by Christmas having signed a load of players that nobody else would want. Well, the overall direction is changing for the better and this is with someone else’s squad, pretty much. We know the kind of attacking football that Schumacher can deliver, but with the players he’s been handed, this is going to take time. Again, it seems harsh to say you have no faith in him spending money, I don’t think this can be judged yet, other than to say that he did alright in this regard at Plymouth. I don’t buy the argument that he can’t play attacking football with this squad, especially at home. The second half today shows that. He just lacks the bollocks to do it which really disappoints me. In terms of transfers the two players he’s brought in that were “his” signings - Ennis and Cundle - haven’t improved us at all. And he’s unwilling to use our new £4million forward who looks a handful whenever he plays. None of that fills me with confidence for how he’ll fit in with transfer policy.
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Post by Picasso on Apr 1, 2024 20:32:15 GMT
Well, the overall direction is changing for the better and this is with someone else’s squad, pretty much. We know the kind of attacking football that Schumacher can deliver, but with the players he’s been handed, this is going to take time. Again, it seems harsh to say you have no faith in him spending money, I don’t think this can be judged yet, other than to say that he did alright in this regard at Plymouth. I don’t buy the argument that he can’t play attacking football with this squad, especially at home. The second half today shows that. He just lacks the bollocks to do it which really disappoints me. In terms of transfers the two players he’s brought in that were “his” signings - Ennis and Cundle - haven’t improved us at all. And he’s unwilling to use our new £4million forward who looks a handful whenever he plays. None of that fills me with confidence for how he’ll fit in with transfer policy. The attacking football that Schumacher delivered with Plymouth involved risks from a defensive point of view. In the position we’re in, I think he, rightly, is playing things more cautiously (in fact, when we did play more expansively, early in his tenure, we came out with a run of really poor results / losses). I agree about Ennis and, while I haven’t been pleased with Cundle, I think he may be one for the future in a Schumacher built team. I’m not saying he’s faultless, or the saviour, but he is, overall, improving things.
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Post by 3rha on Apr 1, 2024 21:24:28 GMT
They are scared of making a mistake at home, in case it costs us the game.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Apr 1, 2024 21:32:02 GMT
They are scared of making a mistake at home, in case it costs us the game. That's a good thing surely? I don't want players who are happy to make a mistake. I really don't get this notion that it's a toxic atmosphere at our ground, didn't feel that at all - it might have been quieter today but it was in no way conducive to a poor performance.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 1, 2024 21:36:50 GMT
They are scared of making a mistake at home, in case it costs us the game. That's a good thing surely? I don't want players who are happy to make a mistake. I really don't get this notion that it's a toxic atmosphere at our ground, didn't feel that at all - it might have been quieter today but it was in no way conducive to a poor performance. It’s not toxic in the slightest. With the shit we watch every week and have done for so long the fans are incredibly patient.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 1, 2024 21:40:39 GMT
It doesn't help when we put the ball into the box & all our players have 50p heads & it keeps going over the bar.
Also our final ball rarely finds one of our players,it either goes for a goal kick,or ends up at the feet of a defender.
Having too many defenders who panic,then make stupid mistakes which usually leads to conceding a goal doesn't help.
All the above prove one thing,we have too many players who are just not good enough.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 1, 2024 21:40:49 GMT
The primary problem at the moment is the manager. Once again he got the initial team selection badly wrong. We looked so much better after some attacking subs and when Bae moved to play centrally. The way we set up gave a poor, out of form Huddersfield team the chance to settle into the game and get a foothold. I thought the second half performance was decent and I’m pleased with four points over the Easter weekend but that feels like a big missed opportunity today. The 2pm groan has become a fixture at home games under Schumacher and he doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes. I don't know that he made unnecessary changes today. I would heave started Stevens but can understand why it was felt that two matches in three days was too risky after a long injury. Same with Mmaee back after a lengthy lay off and injury. I'm sure everyone would have put Burger and Junho back into the starting line up. Starting Leris may have been questionable but the general consensus seemed to be that he played well at Hull so would it have been fair to drop him?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 1, 2024 21:44:38 GMT
The primary problem at the moment is the manager. Once again he got the initial team selection badly wrong. We looked so much better after some attacking subs and when Bae moved to play centrally. The way we set up gave a poor, out of form Huddersfield team the chance to settle into the game and get a foothold. I thought the second half performance was decent and I’m pleased with four points over the Easter weekend but that feels like a big missed opportunity today. The 2pm groan has become a fixture at home games under Schumacher and he doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes. I don't know that he made unnecessary changes today. I would heave started Stevens but can understand why it was felt that two matches in three days was too risky after a long injury. Same with Mmaee back after a lengthy lay off and injury. I'm sure everyone would have put Burger and Junho back into the starting line up. Starting Leris may have been questionable but the general consensus seemed to be that he played well at Hull so would it have been fair to drop him? The general consensus as ever was wrong. How anyone can have watched Leris at home this season and think he should start is beyond me. Not hindsight and it was another test I set for Schumacher after Friday. No one who understands football and has seen us play at home would have started Leris today.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 1, 2024 21:46:48 GMT
They are scared of making a mistake at home, in case it costs us the game. That's a good thing surely? I don't want players who are happy to make a mistake. I really don't get this notion that it's a toxic atmosphere at our ground, didn't feel that at all - it might have been quieter today but it was in no way conducive to a poor performance. No because it leads to the safe sideways/backwards passing which we were guilty of first half. They need to be able to play with a bit of freedom not worrying about making a mistake. Following on from that, hats off to Hoever after making that horrendous mistake against Coventry which I thought would finish him, he's come back and played his best football of the season. Shows character that does.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 1, 2024 21:50:46 GMT
I'm struggling to work out what the issue is - on the pitch. We have a lot of players who look decent on paper, yet we produce turgid shite like today, time and again. Would a new defence see us winning everything 1-0? Is our midfield as good as we think it is? The more I watch this team, the less I know how to fix it. Who thinks we've got a good midfield 😂 It's a creativity vacuum most of the time.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 1, 2024 21:52:26 GMT
I don't know that he made unnecessary changes today. I would heave started Stevens but can understand why it was felt that two matches in three days was too risky after a long injury. Same with Mmaee back after a lengthy lay off and injury. I'm sure everyone would have put Burger and Junho back into the starting line up. Starting Leris may have been questionable but the general consensus seemed to be that he played well at Hull so would it have been fair to drop him? The general consensus as ever was wrong. How anyone can have watched Leris at home this season and think he should start is beyond me. Not hindsight and it was another test I set for Schumacher after Friday. No one who understands football and has seen us play at home would have started Leris today. Agreed. Right call to play him v playoff chasing team away. Terrible call at home v a team in the relegation zone. Not sure why he didn't play Manhoef, thought he played well again Boro but barely featured since
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 1, 2024 22:07:04 GMT
The general consensus as ever was wrong. How anyone can have watched Leris at home this season and think he should start is beyond me. Not hindsight and it was another test I set for Schumacher after Friday. No one who understands football and has seen us play at home would have started Leris today. Agreed. Right call to play him v playoff chasing team away. Terrible call at home v a team in the relegation zone. Not sure why he didn't play Manhoef, thought he played well again Boro but barely featured since It just doesn’t make any sense. I can get fans not understanding it (to a degree) but for the football manager? I’m sure most football managers are just excellent con artists tbh.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 1, 2024 22:14:24 GMT
We don't have a spine.
This summer, once again, there's not a player I'd be arsed about leaving.
Everyone loves Burger, Junho, but there was no drive or aggression in midfield today and again, they're crap at getting back into formation when a team breaks on us.
Attack and defence, I need not say anything about those areas. We need a keeper, two center backs, left back,centre mid, striker, and they ALL need to be strong signings.
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Post by headsgoup on Apr 1, 2024 22:20:56 GMT
In this thread: about a dozen answers to my original question!
Telling, isn't it?
What an abject waste of a season.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 1, 2024 23:37:46 GMT
This seems quite harsh on Schumacher. Overall, he is gradually working things out and our recent form shows a decent upturn. Maybe today was a missed opportunity, but equally, we have kept Huddersfield 5 points behind us in a game where they needed to give it everything. The primary problem at the moment is most definitely not the manager. I disagree. I’m so disappointed with him. When he was appointed he sounded perfect with his four supposed non-negotiables, but he doesn’t even seem to try and deliver them any more. He hasn’t done anything that Neil wasn’t already doing, and I really didn’t like Neil. Starting Leris and Ennis today was just the latest in an increasingly long line of bottled team selections from him that produce dour, passive football. I have no faith in him to spend money well this summer and think there’s sadly every chance we’ll find ourselves struggling and managerless again by Christmas having signed a load of players that nobody else would want. His first goal is to keep the team in the league. 5 more points from 6 games. We do that and spend a pre-season working on the rest. One step at a time.
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Post by mtrstudent on Apr 2, 2024 1:29:27 GMT
Am I the only one who enjoyed the match today ?? An end to end game with poor finishing from both sides but a lot of meaty tackles and physicality with a nice bit of play and passing from us for the majority. Yeah we didn’t win but I still enjoyed it all the same Your definitely in the minority Dan😂🔴⚪️ What about the second half? Thought that was ok.
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 2, 2024 7:01:21 GMT
Your definitely in the minority Dan😂🔴⚪️ What about the second half? Thought that was ok. I don’t enjoy watching us at all n haven’t for a while mate…we play ok in spells but for the larger part we’re slow and predictable and put it mildly absolutely shit, I don’t think they’re being helped by Schuey either🔴⚪️
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Post by independent on Apr 2, 2024 9:25:20 GMT
I disagree. I’m so disappointed with him. When he was appointed he sounded perfect with his four supposed non-negotiables, but he doesn’t even seem to try and deliver them any more. He hasn’t done anything that Neil wasn’t already doing, and I really didn’t like Neil. Starting Leris and Ennis today was just the latest in an increasingly long line of bottled team selections from him that produce dour, passive football. I have no faith in him to spend money well this summer and think there’s sadly every chance we’ll find ourselves struggling and managerless again by Christmas having signed a load of players that nobody else would want. His first goal is to keep the team in the league. 5 more points from 6 games. We do that and spend a pre-season working on the rest. One step at a time. It is his goal NOW. It wasn't when he got the job.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 2, 2024 9:28:12 GMT
His first goal is to keep the team in the league. 5 more points from 6 games. We do that and spend a pre-season working on the rest. One step at a time. It is his goal NOW. It wasn't when he got the job. How many points clear of the bottom 3 were we when he joined us?
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Post by walrus on Apr 2, 2024 9:36:41 GMT
It is his goal NOW. It wasn't when he got the job. How many points clear of the bottom 3 were we when he joined us? Only three, but that was because Neil underachieved massively. Schumacher was brought in on the basis he would get us playing more exciting football, especially at home, and pull away from trouble. The idea that he was brought in to keep us in the division is pure revisionism.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 2, 2024 10:30:13 GMT
His first goal is to keep the team in the league. 5 more points from 6 games. We do that and spend a pre-season working on the rest. One step at a time. It is his goal NOW. It wasn't when he got the job. That’s true. However, the squad has a poor defence and a complete inability to score that is highlighted when we go all out attack (like we tried in the 3-4 disaster game spell). It’s so clear that the squad misses key pieces to be close to being functional. Vidigal is our top scorer and his last goal was probably in the first 15 or so games. If there aren’t any changes to the style in preseason and the beginning of next season, I’ll be angry with him. Walters has come in and it’s been clear that the message from the board isn’t to attack, it’s to scrape through games until the end of the season.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 2, 2024 10:37:37 GMT
Mid table defence. Relegation strike force.
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Post by greenstones on Apr 2, 2024 10:37:54 GMT
The Athletic article had it about right I'd say Hmmm I wonder who translated it from (bitter) Welsh?
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Post by independent on Apr 2, 2024 12:09:55 GMT
It is his goal NOW. It wasn't when he got the job. That’s true. However, the squad has a poor defence and a complete inability to score that is highlighted when we go all out attack (like we tried in the 3-4 disaster game spell). It’s so clear that the squad misses key pieces to be close to being functional. Vidigal is our top scorer and his last goal was probably in the first 15 or so games. If there aren’t any changes to the style in preseason and the beginning of next season, I’ll be angry with him. Walters has come in and it’s been clear that the message from the board isn’t to attack, it’s to scrape through games until the end of the season. Very true and what i advocated a few months ago when I said that we would get more points from 1-0 wins than we would get by 4-3 ones. Pity Schuey had to have that eaxplained to him by Walters.
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Post by independent on Apr 2, 2024 12:15:49 GMT
It is his goal NOW. It wasn't when he got the job. How many points clear of the bottom 3 were we when he joined us? Aren't you the one who claimed that MON would have got us relegated last season and Neil saved us from that fate without his own players. This season with his own players, and an overall good set of signings (according to you), you surely aren't trying to suggest that AN had us worrying about relegation.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 2, 2024 12:33:54 GMT
It’s quite obvious that it’s our own crowd. Getting on there backs when we go a goal down, booing at half time. As Schuey said in his post match interview- he was getting dogs abuse. It’s embarrassing! No wonder that’s the only time we’ve got something after conceding the first goal, it’s very very obvious.. 5 different managers 100s of different players. Open your fucking eyes You must be a sea lion . It’s the crowd? Explain what a crowd should do when the home side has for the first time in 15 months, managed to come back from being 1 goal down, to earn a draw? We should all be ecstatic clearly. People can do what they want, they cough up hard earned money to go and watch a game of football, with the hope that they are entertained. If they, after the last 2 years of numbing football want to boo, let them. It’s not like the majority of the crowd are booing, some certainly are, but that’s their choice.Given that the majority don’t boo, what is your excuse for the awful home form that we have seen for 3 seasons at least? Too windy, raining too hard?
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Post by starkiller on Apr 2, 2024 13:02:03 GMT
I'm struggling to work out what the issue is - on the pitch. We have a lot of players who look decent on paper, yet we produce turgid shite like today, time and again. Would a new defence see us winning everything 1-0? Is our midfield as good as we think it is? The more I watch this team, the less I know how to fix it. Simple Striker..... Don't hold your breath. The club has a history of average to poor strikers. We've only had a player score more than 20 goals in a season on five occasions in 160 years. These players are John Ritchie, John McCue, Mark Stein twice, and Ricardo Fuller in the championship. John McCue is a bit of an overlooked Stoke legend.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 2, 2024 14:09:29 GMT
How many points clear of the bottom 3 were we when he joined us? Aren't you the one who claimed that MON would have got us relegated last season and Neil saved us from that fate without his own players. This season with his own players, and an overall good set of signings (according to you), you surely aren't trying to suggest that AN had us worrying about relegation. I was just asking a question because I don’t know the answer 🤣🤣
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