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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 29, 2024 19:37:02 GMT
Aye I don't disagree with any of that mate. Was still a clusterfuck of epic proportions when he walked in, made worse only by himself though  So I can see why he's saying it was the toughest job of his career but in the end he made a fucking pigs ear of it anyway. I'd trust me or you to build a more cohesive squad with £60m than that twat. Seems to me John is too nice. He brings these managers in and becomes their mate. And so the lethargy sets in and managers realise if they give him some spiel it'll get him off their backs. And the whole thing cascades down through the club. We need a bastard running the show. Someone who is universally feared to the point people realise if they don't work hard and do what they have been employed to do they will get fucked reet off sharpish.. Mutual respect is probably the most important thing IMO. Toxic people in the top positions often breeds toxicity throughout a company, and that's a way to lose good people. |
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Post by smiler_andy on Mar 31, 2024 19:43:16 GMT
The article for me is spot on with the thoughts and comments.
TP was indulged by Coates we lost money every season from what I can remember. There was always talk at the top of signing players who we could then sell on as a profit. Ideally through the academy. It just never worked. With TP we knew he could be ruthless so slackers were moved on. So we had success on the field, culture and an identity.
When Hughes came in we had success for a while, but you could tell the character of players we started to sign the likes of Imbula who may have been more skilful but were very poor character wise which started to have a bad affect at the club.
Relegation seemed like a certainty and when Lambert came in nothing really changed.
Upon relegation the players we kept I think took a 25% pay cut. Except for I think 4 players who got a pay rise. When I saw this which was before the season stated I knew it would have a negative effect on the dressing room. At the time I thought people were insane thinking we were favourites for promotion, I thought we had no chance. I was not surprised Rowett and Jones failed even though they have had reasonable success since leaving Stoke. Both Millwall and Luton were not far from the playoffs during their time.
MON was left with a poison chalice each time we thought we may get close to the playoffs we lost Campbell and Souttar in successive seasons. So he spends 2 years clearing out deadwood he then signs a number of players then we sack him after a few games the next season. With a new change of direction.
Neil comes in with someone else's players and it becomes hit and miss. Thrashing playoff contenders Coventry and Sunderland away from home before the season runs out of steam. Influx of new players goes through a bad patch. Manager sacked and a new change in direction.
Most of the managers have had success before coming to Stoke.
Once SS became manager my prediction was he will probably be sacked after 8 games next season as we make another change in direction. Because that is what we do.
Concerning the players we have signed in the past 5 to 6 years they have under performed is an understatement . I can say that because there are times they have shown what they can do, but doing it in 1 in 6 games if we are lucky says to me the problems are at the top of the club.
The owners have blown away a lot of money and unless they have someone like Walters and help create an identity and culture it will only be a matter of time before we end up in the third tier of football.
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Post by whatsashig on Mar 31, 2024 20:10:46 GMT
It is. Posh photos media delight, could be wrong just first thoughts. Not even media really.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 31, 2024 20:17:48 GMT
Fair enough - I accept that in some cases that may be a valid reason in the world we now live it. Instinctively, I don't like anonymity in public discourse unless there is a very good reason. It's why I only ever use my proper name on social media. I still think the Chairman should have been given an opportunity to respond, because I want to know what his response is, and, more importantly, what his strategy is for the future ( interesting though analyses about what's gone wrong in the past are). Which specific points in the article would you like the Chairman to have been given the opportunity to respond to Malcolm? All of it really, Paul, including the statements about culture - no unity or common objective, retirement home vibe etc.; the statements about him personally - too supportive, uncomfortable with leadership, less charisma than his dad, falling in love with managers etc. ; the statements about strategy - lack of clear plan, expectation that Stoke will pay more than other clubs, no desire to hit budgets etc; his view about what has happened since relegation - why we didn't take advantage of parachute payments, is it just down to poor managerial appointments - if so, what lessons has he learnt. As a fan I'm very interested in his views, and his future strategy. I think it's a major omission in the article. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 31, 2024 20:50:06 GMT
Aye I don't disagree with any of that mate. Was still a clusterfuck of epic proportions when he walked in, made worse only by himself though So I can see why he's saying it was the toughest job of his career but in the end he made a fucking pigs ear of it anyway. I'd trust me or you to build a more cohesive squad with £60m than that twat. Seems to me John is too nice. He brings these managers in and becomes their mate. And so the lethargy sets in and managers realise if they give him some spiel it'll get him off their backs. And the whole thing cascades down through the club. We need a bastard running the show. Someone who is universally feared to the point people realise if they don't work hard and do what they have been employed to do they will get fucked reet off sharpish.. Personally, I think that in football as in other walks of life, bastards and bullies are not the route to high achievement and that fear is not usually a good motivator. If those type of bosses are hated by their staff, those staff are likely to take any opportunity to undermine them. Effective leaders are those who earn the loyalty of their staff who will then go through the proverbial brick wall for them. Strong leadership means having a clear vision and the ability to take people with you, and to support them to improve. Of course that doesn't mean that poor behaviour or lack of effort shouldn't be tackled. When players talk about managers who are good at "man management" they don't mean bullies or bastards - they mean managers who understand their players as individuals and recognise that different approaches work for different players - and it's the same for non-playing staff, in a football club or anywhere else. |
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Post by greystokie on Mar 31, 2024 21:27:53 GMT
Seems to me John is too nice. He brings these managers in and becomes their mate. And so the lethargy sets in and managers realise if they give him some spiel it'll get him off their backs. And the whole thing cascades down through the club. We need a bastard running the show. Someone who is universally feared to the point people realise if they don't work hard and do what they have been employed to do they will get fucked reet off sharpish.. Personally, I think that in football as in other walks of life, bastards and bullies are not the route to high achievement and that fear is not usually a good motivator. If those type of bosses are hated by their staff, those staff are likely to take any opportunity to undermine them. Effective leaders are those who earn the loyalty of their staff who will then go through the proverbial brick wall for them. Strong leadership means having a clear vision and the ability to take people with you, and to support them to improve. Of course that doesn't mean that poor behaviour or lack of effort shouldn't be tackled. When players talk about managers who are good at "man management" they don't mean bullies or bastards - they mean managers who understand their players as individuals and recognise that different approaches work for different players - and it's the same for non-playing staff, in a football club or anywhere else. I fully agree. Guardiola, Klopp and Arteta,for example, don't appear to be either bastards or bullies and seem to be managing their players in a successful manner. If they did terrorise their players they wouldn't get anything near the commitment they do from their teams. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 31, 2024 22:10:34 GMT
Personally, I think that in football as in other walks of life, bastards and bullies are not the route to high achievement and that fear is not usually a good motivator. If those type of bosses are hated by their staff, those staff are likely to take any opportunity to undermine them. Effective leaders are those who earn the loyalty of their staff who will then go through the proverbial brick wall for them. Strong leadership means having a clear vision and the ability to take people with you, and to support them to improve. Of course that doesn't mean that poor behaviour or lack of effort shouldn't be tackled. When players talk about managers who are good at "man management" they don't mean bullies or bastards - they mean managers who understand their players as individuals and recognise that different approaches work for different players - and it's the same for non-playing staff, in a football club or anywhere else. I fully agree. Guardiola, Klopp and Arteta,for example, don't appear to be either bastards or bullies and seem to be managing their players in a successful manner. If they did terrorise their players they wouldn't get anything near the commitment they do from their teams. They do however know how to apply discipline, everyone knows they are the boss Goes to show that you don't need to be a bully to do that |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 31, 2024 22:31:44 GMT
Seems to me John is too nice. He brings these managers in and becomes their mate. And so the lethargy sets in and managers realise if they give him some spiel it'll get him off their backs. And the whole thing cascades down through the club. We need a bastard running the show. Someone who is universally feared to the point people realise if they don't work hard and do what they have been employed to do they will get fucked reet off sharpish.. Personally, I think that in football as in other walks of life, bastards and bullies are not the route to high achievement and that fear is not usually a good motivator. If those type of bosses are hated by their staff, those staff are likely to take any opportunity to undermine them. Effective leaders are those who earn the loyalty of their staff who will then go through the proverbial brick wall for them. Strong leadership means having a clear vision and the ability to take people with you, and to support them to improve. Of course that doesn't mean that poor behaviour or lack of effort shouldn't be tackled. When players talk about managers who are good at "man management" they don't mean bullies or bastards - they mean managers who understand their players as individuals and recognise that different approaches work for different players - and it's the same for non-playing staff, in a football club or anywhere else. You're wiser than I am Malcolm and I get what you're saying. I'm just trying to make the point JC has to do things differently. I'm aware he's a nice bloke from someone I know. I'm just hoping he can change it up and maybe be a bit more intimidating. Anyway I think things are changing actually and I'm envisaging better things ahead 🙏 |
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Post by senojbor on Mar 31, 2024 22:38:35 GMT
I personally think that we are turning the corner and there's more exciting time ahead
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So I can see why he's saying it was the toughest job of his career but in the end he made a fucking pigs ear of it anyway.
