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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 20, 2024 17:38:30 GMT
You may bank on that being true Funny you should say that. It won’t be long until I have to change my name to themaybankbadger. It’ll be a sad day for everyone I imagine Possibly not your neighbours. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 20, 2024 17:40:43 GMT
Funny you should say that. It won’t be long until I have to change my name to themaybankbadger. It’ll be a sad day for everyone I imagine Possibly not your neighbours. I don’t even know who they are, there’s more immigrants moving in and out of my street than a Britannia Hotel |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2024 18:18:01 GMT
Possibly not your neighbours. I don’t even know who they are, there’s more immigrants moving in and out of my street than a Britannia Hotel You can always bake them a cake or some brownies when they move in. It’s a great ice breaker. |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 20, 2024 18:19:38 GMT
the universe is apparaently infinite, trillions of planets and billions of stars. the balance of probabilities suggest there must be life on others. we just dont yet have the technology to prove it There is a thing called the Fermi Paradox which purports to prove that there isn't any other life in the universe because as there are stars that are billions of years older than our own Sun, then if there is life out there, why hasn't anybody parked up on the White House lawn by now as they would be so much further advanced than us? But the one element that I think it fails to address, is that just because there are stars out there that are so much older than the Sun, it doesn't then automatically mean that life that develops on those planets, actually survives long enough as a species in order to ultimately be able to create technology that can provide interstellar travel. The universe is absolutely massive and for all we know, it could be absolutely teaming with life right now. But the fact that we all live so far apart from each other, means that we will never get to know that each other exist. Will 'intelligent' species who become a technological species, ultimately and sadly always end up blowing themselves up via nuclear war, or end up destroying the host planet they live on in other ways, before they ever even get to the point of allowing themselves the opportunity to build a Starship Enterprise?
I read this fairly throwaway postulation in an article years ago and the idea has always captivated me: “If, in the final 7,000 years of their reign, dinosaurs became hyperintelligent, built a civilization, started asteroid mining, and did so for centuries before forgetting to carry the one on an orbital calculation, thereby sending that famous valedictory six-mile space rock hurtling senselessly toward the Earth themselves — it would be virtually impossible to tell. All we do know is that an asteroid did hit, and that the fossils in the millions of years afterward look very different than in the millions of years prior” The idea being that it's entirely possible that dinosaurs (or some other species) could have evolved to our level of intelligence and civilisation, and beyond, and it would be totally invisible to us now because of the relatively minuscule timeframe and the fact that any evidence of a civilisation would have disappeared long ago. This isn't the right thread for this is it.  |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 20, 2024 18:29:37 GMT
There is a thing called the Fermi Paradox which purports to prove that there isn't any other life in the universe because as there are stars that are billions of years older than our own Sun, then if there is life out there, why hasn't anybody parked up on the White House lawn by now as they would be so much further advanced than us? But the one element that I think it fails to address, is that just because there are stars out there that are so much older than the Sun, it doesn't then automatically mean that life that develops on those planets, actually survives long enough as a species in order to ultimately be able to create technology that can provide interstellar travel. The universe is absolutely massive and for all we know, it could be absolutely teaming with life right now. But the fact that we all live so far apart from each other, means that we will never get to know that each other exist. Will 'intelligent' species who become a technological species, ultimately and sadly always end up blowing themselves up via nuclear war, or end up destroying the host planet they live on in other ways, before they ever even get to the point of allowing themselves the opportunity to build a Starship Enterprise?
I read this fairly throwaway postulation in an article years ago and the idea has always captivated me: “If, in the final 7,000 years of their reign, dinosaurs became hyperintelligent, built a civilization, started asteroid mining, and did so for centuries before forgetting to carry the one on an orbital calculation, thereby sending that famous valedictory six-mile space rock hurtling senselessly toward the Earth themselves — it would be virtually impossible to tell. All we do know is that an asteroid did hit, and that the fossils in the millions of years afterward look very different than in the millions of years prior” The idea being that it's entirely possible that dinosaurs (or some other species) could have evolved to our level of intelligence and civilisation, and beyond, and it would be totally invisible to us now because of the relatively minuscule timeframe and the fact that any evidence of a civilisation would have disappeared long ago. This isn't the right thread for this is it. I'd buy that, it's not hard to conceive of cleverer beings than us. |
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Post by musik on Mar 20, 2024 20:38:00 GMT
the universe is apparaently infinite, trillions of planets and billions of stars. the balance of probabilities suggest there must be life on others. we just dont yet have the technology to prove it That's not a conspiracy theory, that's a fact. |
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Post by musik on Mar 20, 2024 20:47:52 GMT
Sweat doesn't smell. It's just a hypnotic illusion created by the deodorant companies through invisible advertisment pulses.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 20, 2024 22:23:17 GMT
There is a thing called the Fermi Paradox which purports to prove that there isn't any other life in the universe because as there are stars that are billions of years older than our own Sun, then if there is life out there, why hasn't anybody parked up on the White House lawn by now as they would be so much further advanced than us? But the one element that I think it fails to address, is that just because there are stars out there that are so much older than the Sun, it doesn't then automatically mean that life that develops on those planets, actually survives long enough as a species in order to ultimately be able to create technology that can provide interstellar travel. The universe is absolutely massive and for all we know, it could be absolutely teaming with life right now. But the fact that we all live so far apart from each other, means that we will never get to know that each other exist. Will 'intelligent' species who become a technological species, ultimately and sadly always end up blowing themselves up via nuclear war, or end up destroying the host planet they live on in other ways, before they ever even get to the point of allowing themselves the opportunity to build a Starship Enterprise?
I read this fairly throwaway postulation in an article years ago and the idea has always captivated me: “If, in the final 7,000 years of their reign, dinosaurs became hyperintelligent, built a civilization, started asteroid mining, and did so for centuries before forgetting to carry the one on an orbital calculation, thereby sending that famous valedictory six-mile space rock hurtling senselessly toward the Earth themselves — it would be virtually impossible to tell. All we do know is that an asteroid did hit, and that the fossils in the millions of years afterward look very different than in the millions of years prior” The idea being that it's entirely possible that dinosaurs (or some other species) could have evolved to our level of intelligence and civilisation, and beyond, and it would be totally invisible to us now because of the relatively minuscule timeframe and the fact that any evidence of a civilisation would have disappeared long ago. This isn't the right thread for this is it.
Well I don't think there is another thread where it would be more appropriate!
Graham Hancock has been mentioned a few times on the thread already and of course, his writings are based on the fact that, in his opinion, there was, in pre-history a forgotten human race, that had reached a technological sophistication, of which there is little to no evidence of remaining today.
Obviously a suggestion that would have been far more recent than the dinosaur idea but essentially, I think, a suggestion on similar lines.
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Post by superjw on Mar 20, 2024 23:09:38 GMT
the universe is apparaently infinite, trillions of planets and billions of stars. the balance of probabilities suggest there must be life on others. we just dont yet have the technology to prove it
There is a thing called the Fermi Paradox which purports to prove that there isn't any other life in the universe because as there are stars that are billions of years older than our own Sun, then if there is life out there, why hasn't anybody parked up on the White House lawn by now as they would be so much further advanced than us?
But the one element that I think it fails to address, is that just because there are stars out there that are so much older than the Sun, it doesn't then automatically mean that life that develops on those planets, actually survives long enough as a species in order to ultimately be able to create technology that can provide interstellar travel.
The universe is absolutely massive and for all we know, it could be absolutely teaming with life right now. But the fact that we all live so far apart from each other, means that we will never get to know that each other exist. Will 'intelligent' species who become a technological species, ultimately and sadly always end up blowing themselves up via nuclear war, or end up destroying the host planet they live on in other ways, before they ever even get to the point of allowing themselves the opportunity to build a Starship Enterprise?
Problem with these theories, are the notions that because other life hasn’t bothered parking up at the White House then it doesn’t exist, like some kind of weird idea that the earth is the centre of the universe It’s human arrogance personified to think we are some sort of superior species irrespective of what’s out there. In actual fact aliens have seen the state of Burslem and realised the trip isn’t worth it. The universe is incredibly old, I subscribe to the theory that life came before us somewhere and will do the same again long after we blow ourselves into oblivion. Let’s not forget that Mars was once the green and lush planet similar to what we are today, it’s just that it matured too quickly and then went and lost its atmosphere and fucked itself over, there’s a very good chance there was once life as close as on our own doorstep. All that was happening whilst the earth was recovering from another planet having a fight with us and creating our moon. There is life out there, the maths makes sense - it’s just that they are all too far away to give a shit, or, more concerning - they know not to advertise their whereabouts…. |
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Post by desman2 on Mar 21, 2024 1:20:59 GMT
Loch Ness Monster anyone? I can’t believe it exists and hasn’t been seen likewise Bigfoot. That's an interesting ( and fun ) one. I'm sceptical myself but would never dismiss something out of hand. The problem with it is the word "monster". It conjures up an image in most people of some sort of dinosaur swimming about, when in actuality the word was initially used to simply mean big. Their have been many sonar investigations recently and although their has been no hard evidence, their has been sonar targets which have shown to be large and more importantly. moving. Today their were photo's released of something photographed with some clarity which also appears to be moving along the surface. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13215467/Nessie-mystery-Photographer-pictures-Loch-Ness-Monster.html |
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Post by musik on Mar 21, 2024 13:35:40 GMT
One of the things the professor in conspiracy theories on that tv program was eager to point out to the black reporter was that there is one type of conspiracy theories that could be particularly dangerous and those are the ones that kind of attack minority groups.
Example. Assume we have a population with 10 million people and 2 million of them are faraway immigrants from a very different culture. The original population gets 1 child per family, 2 sometimes and above that is really rare. The immigrants get 3 children at least, and very often 5-7 children, even 10 sometimes. In 60 years from now, after two further generations, we'll have an outcome. How you see that outcome, what numbers you will come up with while calculating decides if you're a slave under a conspiracy theory or not.
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 21, 2024 15:06:16 GMT
One of the things the professor in conspiracy theories on that tv program was eager to point out to the black reporter was that there is one type of conspiracy theories that could be particularly dangerous and those are the ones that kind of attack minority groups. Example. Assume we have a population with 10 million people and 2 million of them are faraway immigrants from a very different culture. The original population gets 1 child per family, 2 sometimes and above that is really rare. The immigrants get 3 children at least, and very often 5-7 children, even 10 sometimes. In 60 years from now, after two further generations, we'll have an outcome. How you see that outcome, what numbers you will come up with while calculating decides if you're a slave under a conspiracy theory or not. That inner a conspiracy that’s people not keeping it in their trousers. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2024 15:14:03 GMT
One of the things the professor in conspiracy theories on that tv program was eager to point out to the black reporter was that there is one type of conspiracy theories that could be particularly dangerous and those are the ones that kind of attack minority groups. Example. Assume we have a population with 10 million people and 2 million of them are faraway immigrants from a very different culture. The original population gets 1 child per family, 2 sometimes and above that is really rare. The immigrants get 3 children at least, and very often 5-7 children, even 10 sometimes. In 60 years from now, after two further generations, we'll have an outcome. How you see that outcome, what numbers you will come up with while calculating decides if you're a slave under a conspiracy theory or not. It’s an interesting point. However, in general, people moving to a more economically developed country have children who then take up a lot of the cultural norms of that country, including not having a lot of kids themselves. |
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Post by Veritas on Mar 21, 2024 15:41:43 GMT
One of the things the professor in conspiracy theories on that tv program was eager to point out to the black reporter was that there is one type of conspiracy theories that could be particularly dangerous and those are the ones that kind of attack minority groups. Example. Assume we have a population with 10 million people and 2 million of them are faraway immigrants from a very different culture. The original population gets 1 child per family, 2 sometimes and above that is really rare. The immigrants get 3 children at least, and very often 5-7 children, even 10 sometimes. In 60 years from now, after two further generations, we'll have an outcome. How you see that outcome, what numbers you will come up with while calculating decides if you're a slave under a conspiracy theory or not. It’s an interesting point. However, in general, people moving to a more economically developed country have children who then take up a lot of the cultural norms of that country, including not having a lot of kids themselves. As evidenced by my own immigrant Irish family. First generation loads of kids, second generation quite a few, third generation no more than anyone else. |
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Post by bhp on Mar 21, 2024 16:35:53 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 21, 2024 17:30:59 GMT
There’s so many aren’t there. I can’t believe how intrigued people are with the Kate one currently in the news. Edited to exclude whataboutery It is NOT a conspiracy theory it is an admitted attempt to deceive the British Public I and I believe most people are disturbed by the blind collusion of the British MSM to meekly accept as fact and report it as such to the British Public a quite obviously falsified picture, whatever the motivation might be. It rightly raises questions of how much further the MSM are prepared to collude in misinforming the British Public Kate/Royals being part of the attempted fraud is not disputed by their own admission Woman who isn't very well makes pigs ear of family photo. As an act of deception it's pretty shit - I can't even work out what the point of the deception could possibly be let alone get worked up about it. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 21, 2024 17:42:33 GMT
My take on conspiracy theories is that the human brain is hard wired to make patterns out of random data to make sense of the world and will create pictures and stories when they aren't there. Conspiracy theories are the verbal equivalent of the animals you see in clouds.
People feel comfortable with an explanation and prefer a bizarre narrative rather than face the cold hard fact that there is no narrative - just random events in an uncaring universe where shit just happens for no actual reason.
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Post by musik on Mar 21, 2024 18:26:24 GMT
One of the things the professor in conspiracy theories on that tv program was eager to point out to the black reporter was that there is one type of conspiracy theories that could be particularly dangerous and those are the ones that kind of attack minority groups. Example. Assume we have a population with 10 million people and 2 million of them are faraway immigrants from a very different culture. The original population gets 1 child per family, 2 sometimes and above that is really rare. The immigrants get 3 children at least, and very often 5-7 children, even 10 sometimes. In 60 years from now, after two further generations, we'll have an outcome. How you see that outcome, what numbers you will come up with while calculating decides if you're a slave under a conspiracy theory or not. That inner a conspiracy that’s people not keeping it in their trousers. Well, the point was that the professor in conspiracy theories said if we believed the immigrants would have a numerical advantage after some time, like they had "taken over", then we were victims of a conspiracy theory. I assume if we believe the proportion is a constant in the example above then we were true. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 21, 2024 19:03:34 GMT
There is a thing called the Fermi Paradox which purports to prove that there isn't any other life in the universe because as there are stars that are billions of years older than our own Sun, then if there is life out there, why hasn't anybody parked up on the White House lawn by now as they would be so much further advanced than us? But the one element that I think it fails to address, is that just because there are stars out there that are so much older than the Sun, it doesn't then automatically mean that life that develops on those planets, actually survives long enough as a species in order to ultimately be able to create technology that can provide interstellar travel. The universe is absolutely massive and for all we know, it could be absolutely teaming with life right now. But the fact that we all live so far apart from each other, means that we will never get to know that each other exist. Will 'intelligent' species who become a technological species, ultimately and sadly always end up blowing themselves up via nuclear war, or end up destroying the host planet they live on in other ways, before they ever even get to the point of allowing themselves the opportunity to build a Starship Enterprise?
Problem with these theories, are the notions that because other life hasn’t bothered parking up at the White House then it doesn’t exist, like some kind of weird idea that the earth is the centre of the universe It’s human arrogance personified to think we are some sort of superior species irrespective of what’s out there. In actual fact aliens have seen the state of Burslem and realised the trip isn’t worth it. The universe is incredibly old, I subscribe to the theory that life came before us somewhere and will do the same again long after we blow ourselves into oblivion. Let’s not forget that Mars was once the green and lush planet similar to what we are today, it’s just that it matured too quickly and then went and lost its atmosphere and fucked itself over, there’s a very good chance there was once life as close as on our own doorstep. All that was happening whilst the earth was recovering from another planet having a fight with us and creating our moon. There is life out there, the maths makes sense - it’s just that they are all too far away to give a shit, or, more concerning - they know not to advertise their whereabouts…. I didn't think there was any known evidence of previous life (flaura or fauna) on Mars. Is there? |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 21, 2024 21:04:39 GMT
Loch Ness Monster anyone? I can’t believe it exists and hasn’t been seen likewise Bigfoot. Bigfoot has been seen loads of times… |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 21, 2024 21:51:37 GMT
I'm off there in September, I'll let you know. |
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Post by Gawa on Mar 21, 2024 21:59:06 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 21, 2024 22:18:23 GMT
Loch Ness Monster anyone? I can’t believe it exists and hasn’t been seen likewise Bigfoot. Bigfoot has been seen loads of times… Terrible film |
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Post by lordb on Mar 21, 2024 23:05:54 GMT
Problem with these theories, are the notions that because other life hasn’t bothered parking up at the White House then it doesn’t exist, like some kind of weird idea that the earth is the centre of the universe It’s human arrogance personified to think we are some sort of superior species irrespective of what’s out there. In actual fact aliens have seen the state of Burslem and realised the trip isn’t worth it. The universe is incredibly old, I subscribe to the theory that life came before us somewhere and will do the same again long after we blow ourselves into oblivion. Let’s not forget that Mars was once the green and lush planet similar to what we are today, it’s just that it matured too quickly and then went and lost its atmosphere and fucked itself over, there’s a very good chance there was once life as close as on our own doorstep. All that was happening whilst the earth was recovering from another planet having a fight with us and creating our moon. There is life out there, the maths makes sense - it’s just that they are all too far away to give a shit, or, more concerning - they know not to advertise their whereabouts…. I didn't think there was any known evidence of previous life (flaura or fauna) on Mars. Is there? Clear evidence of lots of water on Mars in the past though |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 22, 2024 8:45:40 GMT
This sort of incident debunks the idea that large/global scale conspiracies are even possible to pull off. The Post Office upper management and their cronies are a relatively small number of people and they successfully colluded to keep their conspiracy going for over a decade. But eventually it collapsed. The is in line with this theory (https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2016-01-26-too-many-minions-spoil-plot) about how all conspiracies collapse over time and how the number of people involved in the conspiracy impacts how long in takes to collapse - the more people involved the harder it is to pull off. Scepticism is healthy. The thing with conspiracy theorists is that they describe themselves as sceptics but in reality have simply swapped one set of unquestioning certainties for another - they aren't in the slightest prepared to question their own theories and get hyper sensitive when challenged. They are the exact opposite of a genuine sceptic. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 22, 2024 11:16:35 GMT
I didn't think there was any known evidence of previous life (flaura or fauna) on Mars. Is there? Clear evidence of lots of water on Mars in the past though Oh indeed evidence that it was warmer and wetter than it is now but not 'green and lush and similar to what we are today'. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 22, 2024 14:56:40 GMT
Bigfoot has been seen loads of times… Terrible film True, Harry and the Hendersons was better and really portrayed Sasquatch in a better light. |
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Post by desman2 on Mar 22, 2024 16:25:50 GMT
At the end of the day the term is now used to simply put someone down. Nothing more. Usually based on whether the person who brings up a topic is liked or not. And its mostly media persuasion that decides whether someone should be liked or not.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2024 17:38:08 GMT
Hot off the press, a thread ...
A genuine conspiracy or just some human linking a bunch of random things?
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Post by Gawa on Mar 22, 2024 21:37:57 GMT
Hot off the press, a thread ... A genuine conspiracy or just some human linking a bunch of random things? |
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