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Post by threepoints on Mar 18, 2024 10:32:54 GMT
This has got to be the defence in my opinion.
At the Norwich game they were completely outwitted by two Norwich players for one of the goals. I recall one away match when three defenders were standing around an opposition player who took his time to pick his spot to score. Static and with no idea how to read a game.
Forwards must love coming to play us.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 18, 2024 10:34:48 GMT
Apart from the manager?
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Post by march4 on Mar 18, 2024 10:37:44 GMT
Organisation.
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 18, 2024 10:40:31 GMT
Ouch. Not impressed with the Head Coach March? |
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Post by nott1 on Mar 18, 2024 10:44:10 GMT
Who is?
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 18, 2024 10:49:46 GMT
The theme for me is communication, or lack thereof both on and off the pitch.
The number of times two Stoke players challenge for the same ball.... do they not shout?
There does appear to be some disconnect with whatever Schu tells them and what they then understand or not, as a consequence on the pitch.
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Post by threepoints on Mar 18, 2024 10:52:59 GMT
Defenders shouldn't need to be told to closely mark a forward standing in front of their goal. I can't remember the match but the ball came over to the opposition forward and there were three Stoke players in a nice triangular formation around him (on his own in the box). He must have thought that Christmas had come early.
You can’t organize donkeys!
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Mar 18, 2024 10:57:29 GMT
We were set up to fail on Saturday - that's naivety from the manager - but most of the players didn't do themselves any favours.
We haven't got a single striker worthy of the name, which in addition to a ropey backline, is a recipe for...well....what we're seeing now.
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Post by idle on Mar 18, 2024 10:58:46 GMT
This has got to be the defence in my opinion. At the Norwich game they were completely outwitted by two Norwich players for one of the goals. I recall one away match when three defenders were standing around an opposition player who took his time to pick his spot to score. Static and with no idea how to read a game. Forwards must love coming to play us.
And yet nearly every team concede goal(s) nearly every game. Three once in a while isn't that bad. The real problem is up front. We have the 3rd worst forward line in the division. Own Goal is our joint second best striker this season. Our top scorer has scored ONE goal since Sept. 24th. That's absurd. |
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 18, 2024 10:59:26 GMT
The players (bar 2)
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 18, 2024 11:04:32 GMT
Not signing a perm goalkeeper
Not signing a commanding left footed centre half
Not replacing tymon
Signing too many players in a short space of time
Restructuring behind the scenes with horrendous appointments
Backing the manager to only go and sack him and replace him with a complete novice
This season has been a monumental fuck up🔴⚪️
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 18, 2024 11:10:52 GMT
The CB’s are all absolutely hopeless and I hope that none are at the club next season but I know that’s asking a lot.
Burger is in a category of his own, by far and away the best player at the club.
Tchamadeu, Bae and Manhoef have got potential but we haven’t seen enough of it.
The rest of them can get in the fucking bin.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 18, 2024 11:11:19 GMT
The main weakness for me is not moving the ball quickly or making quick decisions and not taking risks with passes and shots.
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Post by march4 on Mar 18, 2024 11:16:12 GMT
Ouch. Not impressed with the Head Coach March? I didn’t jump on the bandwagon of enthusiasm when he was appointed. |
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Post by StokieDJC on Mar 18, 2024 11:19:12 GMT
The defence isn't brilliant but we had the 7th best defensive record in the league until Schumacher took over.
The biggest issue is the mind bogglingly stupid tactics by the manager.
We are all general working folk, not football guru's, ex professionals or tacticians. Yet a good portion of us can see whenever he plays his favoured 5 at the back we looks so exposed behind the wing backs as they are too high up. Thus leaving one simple ball over the top or down the line leads to our 3 CB's on the back foot trying to cut out an uncontested cross. The CB's then try to fix this by moving out wide to cover the space but inevitably this leaves us open down the middle.
It's not a tactical master class to play against, Norwich simply doubled up on the only threat (Junho) and exploited the space time and time again.
The CB's aren't brilliant but jeez do we put them under huge pressure and certainly make no effort to help them.
That is a managerial issue, nothing more, nothing less. Best part is we certainly don't score any more goals either.
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Post by StokieDJC on Mar 18, 2024 11:23:01 GMT
The players aren't brilliant, if they were they wouldn't be here. The fact is 90% of the players in this league are equally as average.
It then relies on a manager to recognise strengths and weaknesses and play to them. Not some stubborn amateur who thinks he knows best when the stats say that's a lie.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 18, 2024 11:23:13 GMT
Who plays such a high defensive line when the opposition have pace up front, it's suicide, especially with a midfield 3 of Baker, Laurent & Thompson 😳
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 18, 2024 11:30:41 GMT
Ouch. Not impressed with the Head Coach March? I didn’t jump on the bandwagon of enthusiasm when he was appointed. Double ouch. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 18, 2024 11:35:05 GMT
Our main weakness is the whole club from top to bottom.
It seems like everyone at the club from the owners to the players haven't got a clue what they are doing.
The owners need Proffessional help,but won't accept it.
We have a rookie manager.
We have strikers who can't score.
We have a midfield with only one who is any good on a regular basis.
We have defenders who can't defend.
We have 2 keepers who are average at best.
With all the above,it will be a miracle if we manage to stay up.
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Post by mamathestriker on Mar 18, 2024 11:41:02 GMT
The defence isn't brilliant but we had the 7th best defensive record in the league until Schumacher took over. The biggest issue is the mind bogglingly stupid tactics by the manager. We are all general working folk, not football guru's, ex professionals or tacticians. Yet a good portion of us can see whenever he plays his favoured 5 at the back we looks so exposed behind the wing backs as they are too high up. Thus leaving one simple ball over the top or down the line leads to our 3 CB's on the back foot trying to cut out an uncontested cross. The CB's then try to fix this by moving out wide to cover the space but inevitably this leaves us open down the middle. It's not a tactical master class to play against, Norwich simply doubled up on the only threat (Junho) and exploited the space time and time again. The CB's aren't brilliant but jeez do we put them under huge pressure and certainly make no effort to help them. That is a managerial issue, nothing more, nothing less. Best part is we certainly don't score any more goals either. Out of interest where are we now in the defensive record stakes? Assume we're way lower than 7th best defence? |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 18, 2024 11:41:15 GMT
For shorter replies. This better would be better phrased as ‘what is the main strength of our team’
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 18, 2024 11:42:51 GMT
I would argue that our team have the least amount of fight in them compared to others around. I think QPR are battling hard. That was a good point up at Sunderland. Huddersfield will be tough. Plymouth will be a difficult one up against their old manager. I think points will need to come from more surprising sources.
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Post by wilcopotter on Mar 18, 2024 11:44:36 GMT
Not signing a perm goalkeeper Not signing a commanding left footed centre half Not replacing tymon Signing too many players in a short space of time Restructuring behind the scenes with horrendous appointments Backing the manager to only go and sack him and replace him with a complete novice This season has been a monumental fuck up🔴⚪️ To the point and absolutely spot on. |
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Post by StokieDJC on Mar 18, 2024 11:48:13 GMT
The defence isn't brilliant but we had the 7th best defensive record in the league until Schumacher took over. The biggest issue is the mind bogglingly stupid tactics by the manager. We are all general working folk, not football guru's, ex professionals or tacticians. Yet a good portion of us can see whenever he plays his favoured 5 at the back we looks so exposed behind the wing backs as they are too high up. Thus leaving one simple ball over the top or down the line leads to our 3 CB's on the back foot trying to cut out an uncontested cross. The CB's then try to fix this by moving out wide to cover the space but inevitably this leaves us open down the middle. It's not a tactical master class to play against, Norwich simply doubled up on the only threat (Junho) and exploited the space time and time again. The CB's aren't brilliant but jeez do we put them under huge pressure and certainly make no effort to help them. That is a managerial issue, nothing more, nothing less. Best part is we certainly don't score any more goals either. Out of interest where are we now in the defensive record stakes? Assume we're way lower than 7th best defence? 15th best now so hes worked wonders. 3rd worst for goals scored. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 18, 2024 11:50:04 GMT
Football intelligence (lack of) is our biggest weakness.
Too many so-called experienced players making the same bad decisions on and off the ball week in week out. Braindead challenges like little nudges in the back when I'm literally shouting 2 seconds before "don't foul him, DO NOT foul him", simple offsides when the attacker has the whole of the pitch to look across, defenders pushing up except one rogue players who drops back instead, crosses from the by line where the player doesn't even lift his head up to see what's in front of him.
I could go on......
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Post by idle on Mar 18, 2024 12:02:52 GMT
The defence isn't brilliant but we had the 7th best defensive record in the league until Schumacher took over. The biggest issue is the mind bogglingly stupid tactics by the manager. We are all general working folk, not football guru's, ex professionals or tacticians. Yet a good portion of us can see whenever he plays his favoured 5 at the back we looks so exposed behind the wing backs as they are too high up. Thus leaving one simple ball over the top or down the line leads to our 3 CB's on the back foot trying to cut out an uncontested cross. The CB's then try to fix this by moving out wide to cover the space but inevitably this leaves us open down the middle. It's not a tactical master class to play against, Norwich simply doubled up on the only threat (Junho) and exploited the space time and time again. The CB's aren't brilliant but jeez do we put them under huge pressure and certainly make no effort to help them. That is a managerial issue, nothing more, nothing less. Best part is we certainly don't score any more goals either. Yep, he (along with many on here...) thought that AN was too defensive and dour. He was, but it was for a reason. Normally, when you move from a defensive "protect the CBs" style to a free flowing attacking style you concede more and score more, hoping we'd outscore the opposition. The problem is that none of our strikers could hit a banjos arse with cow. Our off target shots stats are through the roof, and the same with blocked shots. Schumacher misjudged the squad, and so did our opponents in the first weeks until they sussed us out, and is slowly coming to grips with how bad we are up front. But I still think it would be utter lunacy to sack him now, and even if we go down. Those who want him gone have no idea who we'll get to replace him, and knowing JCs last appointments, it would be poaching some young brit who's done well in L1. The people wanting Cooper and like needs their head checked. They won't touch us with a barge pole. |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 18, 2024 12:46:49 GMT
Football intelligence is our biggest weakness. Too many so-called experienced players making the same bad decisions on and off the ball week in week out. Braindead challenges like little nudges in the back when I'm literally shouting 2 seconds before "don't foul him, DO NOT foul him", simple offsides when the attacker has the whole of the pitch to look across, defenders pushing up except one rogue players who drops back instead, crosses from the by line where the player doesn't even lift his head up to see what's in front of him. I could go on...... Talking of intelligence One of the most OMG moments (out of the many) on Saturday was when we had a throw half way in their half. Gooch threw it straight to a Norwich player trying to reach Thompson, and from there the Norwich players broke with both Gooch and Thompson way out of position for the first goal. Stupid, unnecessary mistakes like that are in abundance in this team. I think Gooch, for his huffing and puffing, is one of the most brain dead players Ive seen in a Stoke shirt, and there is quite a bit of competition there. Special mention for the midfield on Saturday, after the Pearson subbing. They looked like they had just got back from an all night Xmas Party. Nowhere near ready, or up for it. No homework done at all in that Dept. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 18, 2024 12:55:52 GMT
I would say our main weakness is that 9 of the regular first team 11 players are cack.
(Exlcude Burger and Junho).
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 18, 2024 12:58:57 GMT
Match Days our main weakness
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Mar 18, 2024 13:19:54 GMT
The main weakness of the team is the manager.
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