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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 23, 2024 10:48:25 GMT
Okay as some have pointed out it's not exactly the Rainbow flag,but to many (myself included) rightly or wrongly thats the first thing that comes to mind. As we're all Stoke fans on here,how would we feel if they tampered with our badge by putting a rainbow or something close to it on the badge? some dont even like the current one,some saying the blue has nothing to do with Stoke. I'm honestly not bothered what you want to identify as,as long as you're happy. But if you're playing for club or country you're playing for the same badge of the club and same flag as your country so why change it? The badge on last season's home kit was completely monochrome (and it's been changed to a solid block colour on several away kits). Don't recall anyone shitting the bed over that though. (Probably because it wasn't done to appease those pesky queers). Didn’t “Those Pesky Queers” support World of Twist in the early 90’s?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 23, 2024 11:12:58 GMT
After all it’s of a game of footie…..OK. Why not change the three lions badge to three kittens or remove all English (national) identity, I mean it’s a game of footy we’re talking about, just for perspective. Lions are not indigenous to England, so there would appear to be some sort of faunal appropriation at work here. Boooooooooooooh! St George was not 'indigenous' to England come to that.
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 23, 2024 11:18:50 GMT
Nike have played a blinder here. Normally, no one gives a fuck about a new England kit. Oh look it's another overpriced white kit with a bit of blue on, that looks exactly like the last one- great. They knew doing this would trigger the gammons though, whip everybody up into a big culture wars frenzy and generate publicity for something that 99% of people would otherwise not even give ten seconds of thought to. It's about the only way they're going to sell shirts at those prices. Everyone's a gammon now for wanting the flag of their country to look like the flag of their country? Why not go the whole hog and label them far right? Is that what I've said? No, it's not. The point is that Nike knew exactly what demographic of society was going to get the most vocal about it and whip up the publicity they want. Not wanting the colours or design of the national flag altered because of tradition, or not caring about it at all are both going to be widely-held opinions by sensible, moderate people . However, these aren't the people who are going to get the shirt in the news by going on and on and on about it...it's the likes of Joey Barton who will drag it into anti-woke culture wars shit.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 23, 2024 11:20:25 GMT
I was actually fairly undecided (and uncaring) about Nike’s motivation for changing the cross but I’ve just heard that in one of their statements they’ve shown their arse by talking about it “disrupting history”. Anyone who vaguely follows it will recognise that phrase as straight out of the modern social justice activist “academia” playbook. Academics or not they'll have to work a lot harder than that to get their message across. 3cm2 of embroidery temporarily changes colour. Whoooo scary!
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 23, 2024 11:23:10 GMT
Nike have played a blinder here. Normally, no one gives a fuck about a new England kit. Oh look it's another overpriced white kit with a bit of blue on, that looks exactly like the last one- great. They knew doing this would trigger the gammons though, whip everybody up into a big culture wars frenzy and generate publicity for something that 99% of people would otherwise not even give ten seconds of thought to. It's about the only way they're going to sell shirts at those prices. What they have done has massively backfired on these agenda heads. It’s united the country to fly the flag again, something some were trying to brand as being a racist right wing thing. Even that daft cow Emily thornbury labour has come out during election year funnily enough to back the flag. The same flag she said a few years ago should be banned from being flown out of cars and vans when England were playing as it was offensive. You couldn’t write it. Thank you Nike Nike couldn't give a fuck either way. They're just happy they've found a way to generate more publicity and sell shirts.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 23, 2024 11:26:00 GMT
What they have done has massively backfired on these agenda heads. It’s united the country to fly the flag again, something some were trying to brand as being a racist right wing thing. Even that daft cow Emily thornbury labour has come out during election year funnily enough to back the flag. The same flag she said a few years ago should be banned from being flown out of cars and vans when England were playing as it was offensive. You couldn’t write it. Thank you Nike Nike couldn't give a fuck either way. They're just happy they've found a way to generate more publicity and sell shirts. Bad publicity won’t sell shirts though mate🤔 Im just surprised the flag isn’t the rainbow one in the society we live in nowadays
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Post by sportsman on Mar 23, 2024 11:29:07 GMT
What they have done has massively backfired on these agenda heads. It’s united the country to fly the flag again, something some were trying to brand as being a racist right wing thing. Even that daft cow Emily thornbury labour has come out during election year funnily enough to back the flag. The same flag she said a few years ago should be banned from being flown out of cars and vans when England were playing as it was offensive. You couldn’t write it. Thank you Nike Nike couldn't give a fuck either way. They're just happy they've found a way to generate more publicity and sell shirts. Don’t think they’ll be selling many of these, massive balls up by them. They tried to sneak it in to appease the minority. Backfired big time
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 23, 2024 11:30:11 GMT
Nike couldn't give a fuck either way. They're just happy they've found a way to generate more publicity and sell shirts. Bad publicity won’t sell shirts though mate🤔 Im just surprised the flag isn’t the rainbow one in the society we live in nowadays No such thing as bad publicity when it's free. At the eye-watering price they are being sold at, they're never going to exactly fly off the shelves, but I'll be amazed if it doesn't sell more than the last version did after all this nonsense.
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 23, 2024 11:32:15 GMT
Nike couldn't give a fuck either way. They're just happy they've found a way to generate more publicity and sell shirts. Don’t think they’ll be selling many of these, massive balls up by them. They tried to sneak it in to appease the minority. Backfired big time We'll see. They didn't try to sneak anything anywhere. They knew exactly what they were doing and the reaction it would get.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 23, 2024 11:33:14 GMT
Nike couldn't give a fuck either way. They're just happy they've found a way to generate more publicity and sell shirts. Bad publicity won’t sell shirts though mate🤔 Im just surprised the flag isn’t the rainbow one in the society we live in nowadays What society is that? Everybody offended by stuff they wouldn't have given a fuck about 10 years ago just because Joey Barton tells them to?
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Post by figo85 on Mar 23, 2024 11:35:10 GMT
Nike couldn't give a fuck either way. They're just happy they've found a way to generate more publicity and sell shirts. Don’t think they’ll be selling many of these, massive balls up by them. They tried to sneak it in to appease the minority. Backfired big time That’ll be it then. The bailiffs will be in to repossess assets and liquidate the company, due to a single football shirt having poor sales in one country, by a selection of their potential customer base.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 23, 2024 11:35:40 GMT
Bad publicity won’t sell shirts though mate🤔 Im just surprised the flag isn’t the rainbow one in the society we live in nowadays What society is that? Everybody offended by stuff they wouldn't have given a fuck about 10 years ago just because Joey Barton tells them to? You know exactly the society I’m on about and the one we talk about most weeks as we’re bored senseless at the match😊👍
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 23, 2024 11:39:04 GMT
Bad publicity won’t sell shirts though mate🤔 Im just surprised the flag isn’t the rainbow one in the society we live in nowadays What society is that? Everybody offended by stuff they wouldn't have given a fuck about 10 years ago just because Joey Barton tells them to? Or one where people buy a slightly different version of the shirt that they had last year despite it being ridiculously priced.
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Post by a on Mar 23, 2024 11:39:22 GMT
Nike couldn't give a fuck either way. They're just happy they've found a way to generate more publicity and sell shirts. Bad publicity won’t sell shirts though mate🤔 Im just surprised the flag isn’t the rainbow one in the society we live in nowadays Just ask Disney, that American gym (name escapes me but has been in the news this week) and Bud Light. They’ve lost hundreds of millions of Dollars by upsetting many to seemingly appease the few. I couldn’t care less either way but some people, as they are entitled to, have chosen to boycott as a result. I don’t know how it’ll play out but I don’t think it’ll affect sales as much as the outrageous prices might.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 23, 2024 11:49:32 GMT
They were fighting for the country, freedom and human rights. Fighting for the "flag" is nothing more than a symbolic phrase, unless of course you genuinely believe they wouldn't have even fought for England or those causes in the first place unless the colours of a bloody flag had been to their personal tastes? As has been pointed out, it's not even our flag originally. Thousands of Englishmen fought and died for us for centuries before any Englishmen had even seen that flag. Changing the colours (which has been done before but no one said anything about) doesn't negate what people have done in the past or wipe it from anyone's memory or stop those wanting to fight for their country in the future. Also......it's a game of footy we're talking about, just for perspective. After all it’s of a game of footie…..OK. Why not change the three lions badge to three kittens or remove all English (national) identity, I mean it’s a game of footy we’re talking about, just for perspective. Again, if you were to remove the 3 lions it would make no difference to the performance of the team or change who they were representing. You may for some reason think that people are only turning up for the game or fighting in wars because of a certain colour or certain picture but I'm sorry to break it to you, you're completely wrong. They would have fought for the same causes they fought for and represented the same country they represent regardless of what colour the flag happened to be or what animal we had on the shirt (proved by the fact they've fought for hundreds of years under the colours of a flag which isn't even our flag in the first place....because they knew it was actually England they fought for, regardless of what coloured flag it was). If you actually believe they're only doing it because of a particular colour or animal, then I genuinely don't know what to say. Its utterly 100% ludicrous.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 23, 2024 11:52:26 GMT
What society is that? Everybody offended by stuff they wouldn't have given a fuck about 10 years ago just because Joey Barton tells them to? You know exactly the society I’m on about and the one we talk about most weeks as we’re bored senseless at the match😊👍 Ah yes. The irreversible demise of the Flan. (And your latest workout for your Abs!)
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 23, 2024 12:22:59 GMT
You know exactly the society I’m on about and the one we talk about most weeks as we’re bored senseless at the match😊👍 Ah yes. The irreversible demise of the Flan. (And your latest workout for your Abs!) Or the adventures of Ben White in the Mail and Kenwyne’s tripod😊
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Post by frasier37 on Mar 23, 2024 12:43:57 GMT
All the shit going on in the world and this is what throws us into a frenzy
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Post by mrrine on Mar 23, 2024 13:39:03 GMT
Okay as some have pointed out it's not exactly the Rainbow flag,but to many (myself included) rightly or wrongly thats the first thing that comes to mind. As we're all Stoke fans on here,how would we feel if they tampered with our badge by putting a rainbow or something close to it on the badge? some dont even like the current one,some saying the blue has nothing to do with Stoke. I'm honestly not bothered what you want to identify as,as long as you're happy. But if you're playing for club or country you're playing for the same badge of the club and same flag as your country so why change it? The badge on last season's home kit was completely monochrome (and it's been changed to a solid block colour on several away kits). Don't recall anyone shitting the bed over that though. (Probably because it wasn't done to appease those pesky queers). A few people have done it on this thread, and I think it's slightly disingenuous to paint this as a simple innocent colour change. www.gbnews.com/sport/football/nike-england-shirt-rainbow-colours-st-georges-cross" Nike first presented the FA with proposed designs for the shirts back in the summer of 2022.
And a source has apparently told the publication that, initially, the US firm 'wanted to make the home kit even more multi-coloured and closer to displaying a rainbow effect'.
This, it's claimed, was a 'bridge too far' for the FA." If you buy into those reports, it lends credence to Barton saying the colours are representative of one of the LGBT+ spectrum flags, because that's clearly where the design conversation started. And one further, those of you gloating over winding 'gammon' up (give me fucking strength.....) would be absolutely right, because you could argue it's injecting yet more politicised messaging into football.
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Post by apb1 on Mar 23, 2024 14:05:59 GMT
Tories wanging on about this when they co-opted the union jack and made a blue version of it in their logo. Joke country.
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Post by a on Mar 23, 2024 14:10:13 GMT
The badge on last season's home kit was completely monochrome (and it's been changed to a solid block colour on several away kits). Don't recall anyone shitting the bed over that though. (Probably because it wasn't done to appease those pesky queers). A few people have done it on this thread, and I think it's slightly disingenuous to paint this as a simple innocent colour change. www.gbnews.com/sport/football/nike-england-shirt-rainbow-colours-st-georges-cross" Nike first presented the FA with proposed designs for the shirts back in the summer of 2022.
And a source has apparently told the publication that, initially, the US firm 'wanted to make the home kit even more multi-coloured and closer to displaying a rainbow effect'.
This, it's claimed, was a 'bridge too far' for the FA." If you buy into those reports, it lends credence to Barton saying the colours are representative of one of the LGBT+ spectrum flags, because that's clearly where the design conversation started. And one further, those of you gloating over winding 'gammon' up (give me fucking strength.....) would be absolutely right, because you could argue it's injecting yet more politicised messaging into football. The term ‘gammon’ is one that I take issue with. A term for a white person who through anger/frustration has a redder appearance. So a term aimed at white people only? Something doesn’t sound quite right about that to me…
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Post by thornestein on Mar 23, 2024 14:21:29 GMT
A few people have done it on this thread, and I think it's slightly disingenuous to paint this as a simple innocent colour change. www.gbnews.com/sport/football/nike-england-shirt-rainbow-colours-st-georges-cross" Nike first presented the FA with proposed designs for the shirts back in the summer of 2022.
And a source has apparently told the publication that, initially, the US firm 'wanted to make the home kit even more multi-coloured and closer to displaying a rainbow effect'.
This, it's claimed, was a 'bridge too far' for the FA." If you buy into those reports, it lends credence to Barton saying the colours are representative of one of the LGBT+ spectrum flags, because that's clearly where the design conversation started. And one further, those of you gloating over winding 'gammon' up (give me fucking strength.....) would be absolutely right, because you could argue it's injecting yet more politicised messaging into football. The term ‘gammon’ is one that I take issue with. A term for a white person who through anger/frustration has a redder appearance. So a term aimed at white people only? Something doesn’t sound quite right about that to me… it’s a term used by ppl with low intelligence and nothing better to say
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2024 15:05:11 GMT
The badge on last season's home kit was completely monochrome (and it's been changed to a solid block colour on several away kits). Don't recall anyone shitting the bed over that though. (Probably because it wasn't done to appease those pesky queers). A few people have done it on this thread, and I think it's slightly disingenuous to paint this as a simple innocent colour change. www.gbnews.com/sport/football/nike-england-shirt-rainbow-colours-st-georges-cross" Nike first presented the FA with proposed designs for the shirts back in the summer of 2022.
And a source has apparently told the publication that, initially, the US firm 'wanted to make the home kit even more multi-coloured and closer to displaying a rainbow effect'.
This, it's claimed, was a 'bridge too far' for the FA." If you buy into those reports, it lends credence to Barton saying the colours are representative of one of the LGBT+ spectrum flags, because that's clearly where the design conversation started. And one further, those of you gloating over winding 'gammon' up (give me fucking strength.....) would be absolutely right, because you could argue it's injecting yet more politicised messaging into football. The IF bit in this report is quite key don't you think? I am very suspicious of stories that are based on 'according to reports....'? What reports? and 'Sources stated....' Which sources??? Come on journalists, you can do better than this surely? This + GB news = I smell a rat.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 23, 2024 15:08:28 GMT
A few people have done it on this thread, and I think it's slightly disingenuous to paint this as a simple innocent colour change. www.gbnews.com/sport/football/nike-england-shirt-rainbow-colours-st-georges-cross" Nike first presented the FA with proposed designs for the shirts back in the summer of 2022.
And a source has apparently told the publication that, initially, the US firm 'wanted to make the home kit even more multi-coloured and closer to displaying a rainbow effect'.
This, it's claimed, was a 'bridge too far' for the FA." If you buy into those reports, it lends credence to Barton saying the colours are representative of one of the LGBT+ spectrum flags, because that's clearly where the design conversation started. And one further, those of you gloating over winding 'gammon' up (give me fucking strength.....) would be absolutely right, because you could argue it's injecting yet more politicised messaging into football. The IF bit in this report is quite key don't you think? I am very suspicious of stories that are based on 'according to reports....'? What reports? and 'Sources stated....' Which sources??? Come on journalists, you can do better than this surely? This + GB news = I smell a rat. It was the telegraph’s report
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 23, 2024 15:11:36 GMT
It gives the thick fuckers something to moan about. You do understand that the St George’s flag is an integral part of the Union Jack (British Flag) that in recent years years men and women have fought and died under/for the likes of you……..and other thick fuckers Talking of the Union Flag - for the 2012 Olympics Stella McCartney used a huge corruption of it on the Team GB kit, replacing the red of the St Georges Cross with a deep blue. Have you saved your letters of outrage fused with World War nostalgia from then? Because from what I remember no-one gave a flying fuck and we had one of our most successful games ever.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 23, 2024 15:21:16 GMT
You do understand that the St George’s flag is an integral part of the Union Jack (British Flag) that in recent years years men and women have fought and died under/for the likes of you……..and other thick fuckers Talking of the Union Flag - for the 2012 Olympics Stella McCartney used a huge corruption of it on the Team GB kit, replacing the red of the St Georges Cross with a deep blue. Have you saved your letters of outrage fused with World War nostalgia from then? Because from what I remember no-one gave a flying fuck and we had one of our most successful games ever. Great point - so what is it about this kit, and this time, that makes it feel so different? Something for you to get your brain in gear and puzzle over. See if you can come up with anything more satisfactory than “people are thick (but they weren’t 12 years ago)”
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 23, 2024 15:23:58 GMT
You do understand that the St George’s flag is an integral part of the Union Jack (British Flag) that in recent years years men and women have fought and died under/for the likes of you……..and other thick fuckers Talking of the Union Flag - for the 2012 Olympics Stella McCartney used a huge corruption of it on the Team GB kit, replacing the red of the St Georges Cross with a deep blue. Have you saved your letters of outrage fused with World War nostalgia from then? Because from what I remember no-one gave a flying fuck and we had one of our most successful games ever. To be fair I’m sure I remember substantial “outrage” when that kit was unveiled. Probably more so than this one. I could be wrong of course
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 23, 2024 15:24:23 GMT
You do understand that the St George’s flag is an integral part of the Union Jack (British Flag) that in recent years years men and women have fought and died under/for the likes of you……..and other thick fuckers Talking of the Union Flag - for the 2012 Olympics Stella McCartney used a huge corruption of it on the Team GB kit, replacing the red of the St Georges Cross with a deep blue. Have you saved your letters of outrage fused with World War nostalgia from then? Because from what I remember no-one gave a flying fuck and we had one of our most successful games ever. What's actually more insulting to the men and women that have died for us "thick fuckers", is that his argument implies that the thousands of brave men and women fighting and dying for just causes and in defence of our nation, apparently just wouldn't have bothered if the flag colour had been changed slightly. They'd have downed tools and thought "sod the cause, sod the country, i'm not having purple in my flag". Its the cause and the nation that they care about, not a bloody piece of coloured thread. They had the backbone to fight for the country and would have regardless of the design of the flag, whereas he doesn't have the backbone to tolerate a piece of coloured thread about an inch long which will be changed in 18 months anyway.
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Post by Davef on Mar 23, 2024 15:32:55 GMT
Talking of the Union Flag - for the 2012 Olympics Stella McCartney used a huge corruption of it on the Team GB kit, replacing the red of the St Georges Cross with a deep blue. Have you saved your letters of outrage fused with World War nostalgia from then? Because from what I remember no-one gave a flying fuck and we had one of our most successful games ever. Great point - so what is it about this kit, and this time, that makes it feel so different? Something for you to get your brain in gear and puzzle over. See if you can come up with anything more satisfactory than “people are thick (but they weren’t 12 years ago)” The 2012 Olympic kit was an example of what plenty of countries have done in incorporating their flag as part of their kit design, most notably Germany in 1990. England have incorporated the St George's cross into several kit designs over the years either in white and red or as a faded cross into away kits or goalkeeper's kits. The GB Olympic kits also had the Union flag on the arms which was untouched in red, white and blue and I think the St George's cross should have likewise been left alone on this England kit.
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Post by a on Mar 23, 2024 15:35:25 GMT
The term ‘gammon’ is one that I take issue with. A term for a white person who through anger/frustration has a redder appearance. So a term aimed at white people only? Something doesn’t sound quite right about that to me… it’s a term used by ppl with low intelligence and nothing better to say I just think just because it’s aimed at people of a certain race makes it wrong. That’s how I was brought up anyway.
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