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Post by LGH87 on Mar 19, 2024 8:04:50 GMT
I wouldn't like to guess how many players in the 18 will be here next season, even assuming we stay up. Iversen- no Rose - maybe McNally - no Wilmot - not guaranteed Hoever - no Laurent - not guaranteed Pearson - not guaranteed Baker - not guaranteed Gooch -yes Bae - hopefully Campbell - no Bonham - probably Thompson - no, as it stands Manhoef - yes Ennis - yes Mmaee - probably not Cundle - no Vidigal - no Haks - no Leris - probably not Wesley - no Johnson - no Stevens - no Burger - hopefully What this list shows is that Schumacher & Pete Smith were talking shite the other week when they said we’d only be bringing in 5/6 players in the summer. That wouldn’t be enough to fill the bench. We won’t see 16+ like last year but I think we’ll easily see 10 come in.
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Post by mamathestriker on Mar 19, 2024 8:17:12 GMT
I wouldn't like to guess how many players in the 18 will be here next season, even assuming we stay up. Iversen- no Rose - maybe McNally - no Wilmot - not guaranteed Hoever - no Laurent - not guaranteed Pearson - not guaranteed Baker - not guaranteed Gooch -yes Bae - hopefully Campbell - no Bonham - probably Thompson - no, as it stands Manhoef - yes Ennis - yes Mmaee - probably not Cundle - no Vidigal - no Haks - no Leris - probably not Wesley - no Johnson - no Stevens - no Burger - hopefully What this list shows is that Schumacher & Pete Smith were talking shite the other week when they said we’d only be bringing in 5/6 players in the summer. That wouldn’t be enough to fill the bench. We won’t see 16+ like last year but I think we’ll easily see 10 come in. At the very minimum I think we need: A permanent, first choice GK (crazy I know) 2 first choice CBs Two LBs (crazy I know) A Thompson jack of all trades upgrade A new CM A winger 2 strikers That's 10 and not factoring in the loans we'll need to bulk up (I expect all the loan players to go back). Out of those that started on Saturday I hope only Junho is a permanent feature next season, and obviously Burger when he's back. Players like Rose, Thompson, Gooch, Ennis, even Baker and Laurent (who I wouldn't be surprised to see go) should be squad players. It's a damning indictment of how poor our transfer business was last summer either way.
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Post by LGH87 on Mar 19, 2024 8:26:28 GMT
What this list shows is that Schumacher & Pete Smith were talking shite the other week when they said we’d only be bringing in 5/6 players in the summer. That wouldn’t be enough to fill the bench. We won’t see 16+ like last year but I think we’ll easily see 10 come in. At the very minimum I think we need: A permanent, first choice GK (crazy I know) 2 first choice CBs Two LBs (crazy I know) A Thompson jack of all trades upgradeA new CM A winger 2 strikers That's 10 and not factoring in the loans we'll need to bulk up (I expect all the loan players to go back). Out of those that started on Saturday I hope only Junho is a permanent feature next season, and obviously Burger when he's back. Players like Rose, Thompson, Gooch, Ennis, even Baker and Laurent (who I wouldn't be surprised to see go) should be squad players. It's a damning indictment of how poor our transfer business was last summer either way. I reckon there's a chance Thompson will get a new deal, Schuey seems a fan. The rest i fully agree mate, think we'll probably see 2 wingers though if all the current crop leave. It's a big fucking task again.
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Post by idle on Mar 19, 2024 14:18:49 GMT
I wouldn't like to guess how many players in the 18 will be here next season, even assuming we stay up. Iversen- no Rose - maybe McNally - no Wilmot - not guaranteed Hoever - no Laurent - not guaranteed Pearson - not guaranteed Baker - not guaranteed Gooch -yes Bae - hopefully Campbell - no Bonham - probably Thompson - no, as it stands Manhoef - yes Ennis - yes Mmaee - probably not Cundle - no Vidigal - no Haks - no Leris - probably not Wesley - no Johnson - no Stevens - no Burger - hopefully What this list shows is that Schumacher & Pete Smith were talking shite the other week when they said we’d only be bringing in 5/6 players in the summer. That wouldn’t be enough to fill the bench. We won’t see 16+ like last year but I think we’ll easily see 10 come in. A lot of those no's and "not guaranteed" aren't certain though. I can easily see Hoever coming back, and I read somewhere that foreign players take half a year to get used to a new club on average. I think some of you are harsh on Leris, who was ok (compared to the squad) under AN, and Vidigal could also get better. And if we go down, they'll be key players!
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Post by marylandstoke on Mar 19, 2024 14:36:29 GMT
What three names would be more useful as a Scrabble score than playing for Stoke City?
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Post by LGH87 on Mar 19, 2024 15:02:38 GMT
What this list shows is that Schumacher & Pete Smith were talking shite the other week when they said we’d only be bringing in 5/6 players in the summer. That wouldn’t be enough to fill the bench. We won’t see 16+ like last year but I think we’ll easily see 10 come in. A lot of those no's and "not guaranteed" aren't certain though. I can easily see Hoever coming back, and I read somewhere that foreign players take half a year to get used to a new club on average. I think some of you are harsh on Leris, who was ok (compared to the squad) under AN, and Vidigal could also get better. And if we go down, they'll be key players! I do think there's a good chance Leris is here next season, he's a decent option in certain situations.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 19, 2024 20:30:25 GMT
A lot of those no's and "not guaranteed" aren't certain though. I can easily see Hoever coming back, and I read somewhere that foreign players take half a year to get used to a new club on average. I think some of you are harsh on Leris, who was ok (compared to the squad) under AN, and Vidigal could also get better. And if we go down, they'll be key players! I do think there's a good chance Leris is here next season, he's a decent option in certain situations. Given our predicament it’s probably too late to risk the experiment now but Leris best game for me was his debut away at Millwall. He played a large chunk of that at right back. Everything I’ve seen of him has me believing the only position he’d excel in is full back. I’d have played him at right back long before now and think he’d probably be a better option than any of the 3 that have been used there this season.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 19, 2024 20:39:10 GMT
Haksabanovic wouldn’t even be here if Celtic would have taken him back. What a complete waste of a loan signing….
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Post by Ron on Mar 20, 2024 7:12:40 GMT
Only players I’d keep are Gooch Junior Burger Baker as a squad player
The rest can all go
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Mar 20, 2024 7:27:35 GMT
Only players I’d keep are Gooch Junior Burger Baker as a squad player The rest can all go I think Bae has shown enough. Million could be a good player. Deffo not a shuey player though. Slows the game down, not particularly quick. What a strange signing he was.
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Post by Stokester on Mar 20, 2024 9:04:59 GMT
Looking at it slightly differently, and totally appreciate loads of churn is what’s got us into this mess, but with half the squad likely leaving (out of contract, loans) that’s going to free up a load of wages to reinvest.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 20, 2024 9:15:48 GMT
Any forward planning is going to be a little bit tricky given the following: We don't know as yet what league we will be in next season. We don't have a permanent TD/DOF in place. We can't be certain if the manager will be here next season. Three relatively large variables😔
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Post by LphPotter on Mar 20, 2024 15:40:27 GMT
Is any other club in the division not playing their top scorer? Fucking madness. Leris is about the worst transfer of the summer for me. What on Earth were they thinking? A million quid for a bloke who looks like he doesn’t know what a football is. Vidigal has got 5, with 3 of them coming in the first 3 games of the season. It’s not like we’re not playing someone with 15 goals. He just doesn’t offer enough and really just isn’t very good as his previous record suggested.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 20, 2024 15:46:08 GMT
I wouldn't like to guess how many players in the 18 will be here next season, even assuming we stay up. Iversen- no Rose - maybe McNally - no Wilmot - not guaranteed Hoever - no Laurent - not guaranteed Pearson - not guaranteed Baker - not guaranteed Gooch -yes Bae - hopefully Campbell - no Bonham - probably Thompson - no, as it stands Manhoef - yes Ennis - yes Mmaee - probably not Cundle - no Vidigal - no Haks - no Leris - probably not Wesley - no Johnson - no Stevens - no Burger - hopefully I don't know what is more scary - the thought of keeping all but a couple of those or another massive rebuild. No doubt we'll balls up whatever we do.
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Post by stokefanone on Mar 20, 2024 15:59:22 GMT
I wouldn't like to guess how many players in the 18 will be here next season, even assuming we stay up. Iversen- no Rose - Yes McNally - no Wilmot - Yes Hoever - no Laurent - not guaranteed Pearson - Yes Baker - Yes Gooch -yes Bae - Yes Campbell - no Bonham - Yes Thompson - no, as it stands Manhoef - yes Ennis - yes Mmaee - Yes Cundle - no Vidigal - Yes Haks - no Leris - Yes Wesley - no Johnson - Yes Stevens - no Burger - hopefully Yet another rebuild then...Jesus on a scooter. I would say 14 should be here next season (under contract). Four of those would be first teamers. Lots of rebuilding whatever division we are in, though I do think we will just stay up.
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Post by skip on Mar 20, 2024 16:01:36 GMT
Is any other club in the division not playing their top scorer? Fucking madness. Leris is about the worst transfer of the summer for me. What on Earth were they thinking? A million quid for a bloke who looks like he doesn’t know what a football is. Vidigal has got 5, with 3 of them coming in the first 3 games of the season. It’s not like we’re not playing someone with 15 goals. He just doesn’t offer enough and really just isn’t very good as his previous record suggested. And he pretends he's injured when the going gets tough. I hope someone has had a frank word or two to say to him about that nonsense.
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Post by LphPotter on Mar 20, 2024 16:22:34 GMT
Vidigal has got 5, with 3 of them coming in the first 3 games of the season. It’s not like we’re not playing someone with 15 goals. He just doesn’t offer enough and really just isn’t very good as his previous record suggested. And he pretends he's injured when the going gets tough. I hope someone has had a frank word or two to say to him about that nonsense. His first few games I thought he gave as good as he got but it all seemed to change after he got kicked off the pitch at Millwall. Since that game he’s not been the same and as you say goes down far too easily and stays down when there’s no need.
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Post by Ron on Mar 20, 2024 22:14:00 GMT
Only players I’d keep are Gooch Junior Burger Baker as a squad player The rest can all go I think Bae has shown enough. Million could be a good player. Deffo not a shuey player though. Slows the game down, not particularly quick. What a strange signing he was. apologies of course bae has shown more than enough. Genuine mistake not to include him when ranting.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 20, 2024 23:48:49 GMT
Is any other club in the division not playing their top scorer? Fucking madness. Leris is about the worst transfer of the summer for me. What on Earth were they thinking? A million quid for a bloke who looks like he doesn’t know what a football is. Vidigal has got 5, with 3 of them coming in the first 3 games of the season. It’s not like we’re not playing someone with 15 goals. He just doesn’t offer enough and really just isn’t very good as his previous record suggested. He’s the best option we have for the left. And would mean we play our best attacker in his correct position.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 21, 2024 0:32:50 GMT
Vidigal has got 5, with 3 of them coming in the first 3 games of the season. It’s not like we’re not playing someone with 15 goals. He just doesn’t offer enough and really just isn’t very good as his previous record suggested. He’s the best option we have for the left. And would mean we play our best attacker in his correct position. I’d be shocked in Vidigal scored (or assisted) if he played every minute of the remaining games.
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Post by idle on Mar 21, 2024 13:58:38 GMT
He’s the best option we have for the left. And would mean we play our best attacker in his correct position. I’d be shocked in Vidigal scored (or assisted) if he played every minute of the remaining games. Still, he's not wrong. A front three of Vidi, Mmaee and Million is probably the best one. I'd like us to play a 4231 with Junho as a 10 at AM, but I also think a midfield trio of Bae, Burger, Baker could work. Junho's got the work rate and technique to thrive as an 8 as well I think. There are not enough games left of the season until we see another good Laurent performance.
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Post by LGH87 on Mar 21, 2024 14:07:59 GMT
I’d be shocked in Vidigal scored (or assisted) if he played every minute of the remaining games. Still, he's not wrong. A front three of Vidi, Mmaee and Million is probably the best one. I'd like us to play a 4231 with Junho as a 10 at AM, but I also think a midfield trio of Bae, Burger, Baker could work. Junho's got the work rate and technique to thrive as an 8 as well I think. There are not enough games left of the season until we see another good Laurent performance. Schumacher has already said Junho struggled positionally in the middle and that's why he's playing on the wing for now because it's easier for him to understand the instructions whilst playing wide. I fully agree and I think Schumacher will too that his future lies more centrally though.
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 21, 2024 15:30:21 GMT
Still, he's not wrong. A front three of Vidi, Mmaee and Million is probably the best one. I'd like us to play a 4231 with Junho as a 10 at AM, but I also think a midfield trio of Bae, Burger, Baker could work. Junho's got the work rate and technique to thrive as an 8 as well I think. There are not enough games left of the season until we see another good Laurent performance. Schumacher has already said Junho struggled positionally in the middle and that's why he's playing on the wing for now because it's easier for him to understand the instructions whilst playing wide. I fully agree and I think Schumacher will too that his future lies more centrally though. Bizarre that he said that about Bae. Away at Brum on Boxing Day, which was arguably our best performance and result under Schumacher, he played as an 8 and was one of the best players on the pitch. His piece on YouTube recently revealed a grasp on the English language that would embarrass some on the terraces most weeks.
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Post by Ron on Mar 21, 2024 15:34:41 GMT
I’d be shocked in Vidigal scored (or assisted) if he played every minute of the remaining games. Still, he's not wrong. A front three of Vidi, Mmaee and Million is probably the best one. I'd like us to play a 4231 with Junho as a 10 at AM, but I also think a midfield trio of Bae, Burger, Baker could work. Junho's got the work rate and technique to thrive as an 8 as well I think. There are not enough games left of the season until we see another good Laurent performance. I'd like to see that in all honesty. They are the 4 best attacking players at the club. Put them on the pitch together. Iversen Hoever rose mcnally gooch burger baker bae million mmae vidigal Just give it a go
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 21, 2024 15:37:21 GMT
I’d be shocked in Vidigal scored (or assisted) if he played every minute of the remaining games. Still, he's not wrong. A front three of Vidi, Mmaee and Million is probably the best one. I'd like us to play a 4231 with Junho as a 10 at AM, but I also think a midfield trio of Bae, Burger, Baker could work. Junho's got the work rate and technique to thrive as an 8 as well I think. There are not enough games left of the season until we see another good Laurent performance. Bae is better there than Vidigal (by far). We won’t play 4231, as much as I’d like them to. In a 433, I think that Thompson should have been played deep, allowing for Burger to actually run around. Now that he’s going back to left back (😳), Laurent as an 8 is really the only thing we have left. Mmaee is another one that won’t score or assist between now and the end of the season. He adds the extra benefit of zero press out of possession as well.
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Post by idle on Mar 21, 2024 21:17:25 GMT
Still, he's not wrong. A front three of Vidi, Mmaee and Million is probably the best one. I'd like us to play a 4231 with Junho as a 10 at AM, but I also think a midfield trio of Bae, Burger, Baker could work. Junho's got the work rate and technique to thrive as an 8 as well I think. There are not enough games left of the season until we see another good Laurent performance. Bae is better there than Vidigal (by far). We won’t play 4231, as much as I’d like them to. In a 433, I think that Thompson should have been played deep, allowing for Burger to actually run around. Now that he’s going back to left back (😳), Laurent as an 8 is really the only thing we have left. Mmaee is another one that won’t score or assist between now and the end of the season. He adds the extra benefit of zero press out of possession as well. While Laurent is the only 8 we have left, I still think Bae would do better in a "flat" three in midfield. Especially if Thompson goes to LB, because Bae won't have to cover as much for him as he would have to for Gooch.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 21, 2024 21:19:46 GMT
My word we’ve signed some crap in 6 years
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Post by Championship Potter on Mar 21, 2024 22:33:48 GMT
What this list shows is that Schumacher & Pete Smith were talking shite the other week when they said we’d only be bringing in 5/6 players in the summer. That wouldn’t be enough to fill the bench. We won’t see 16+ like last year but I think we’ll easily see 10 come in. A lot of those no's and "not guaranteed" aren't certain though. I can easily see Hoever coming back, and I read somewhere that foreign players take half a year to get used to a new club on average. I think some of you are harsh on Leris, who was ok (compared to the squad) under AN, and Vidigal could also get better. And if we go down, they'll be key players! You’d think we could make use of one of Leris and Vidigal next season. Neither are great but there isn’t exactly a ready supply of cheap punts that would be any better. Both have probably been about what you’d expect for what we paid for them, especially when you think they cost about the same as Ennis in the English market, who is probably about the same level. And realistically very few clubs in our league have more than 2 quality wide players. Would imagine the average turnover for a club in our league is 8 or so players, so we’re probably not going to be far off the average this year.
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Post by wingy11 on Mar 21, 2024 22:39:50 GMT
Vidigal is still top scorer i believe, should be given another chance, of a run of games, Leris is great at winning the headers in central of the pitch, if we need to pump the ball up quick.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 21, 2024 22:40:55 GMT
I do think there's a good chance Leris is here next season, he's a decent option in certain situations. Given our predicament it’s probably too late to risk the experiment now but Leris best game for me was his debut away at Millwall. He played a large chunk of that at right back. Everything I’ve seen of him has me believing the only position he’d excel in is full back. I’d have played him at right back long before now and think he’d probably be a better option than any of the 3 that have been used there this season. I've been a bit puzzled that he hasn't had any game time at full back or especially wing back.
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