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Post by jokker on Mar 8, 2024 5:24:26 GMT
Agree.Since he has been here his bookings have been for petulant nonsense rather than 'proper' fouls. It happens too often and he does let the team down with his behaviour on the pitch. The problem is with players on a yellow is they don't give 100% when you are out of possession because they can't. He's on a yellow all the time and in the position he plays it's not good enough. He's the most unprofessional footballer we have ever signed, he doesn't deserve to be called a professional footballer because he's anything but His middle names must be Gianni Kevin Said then...I've made my opinion on him clear, but unlike other 'unpro' players on long expensive contracts Pearson actually served us well for a spell last season. Giving him that contract has seemingly messed him up. If he'd been on a normal two year contract like others in the team, he would have had something to prove.
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Post by thisisouryear on Mar 8, 2024 7:09:51 GMT
The problem is with players on a yellow is they don't give 100% when you are out of possession because they can't. He's on a yellow all the time and in the position he plays it's not good enough. He's the most unprofessional footballer we have ever signed, he doesn't deserve to be called a professional footballer because he's anything but Agree about the yellow but the rest is a tad harsh. He was a quality player at youth level and man utd youth level at that. Ten years ago he was knocking at the door of their first team. Not saying he's anywhere near Keane/Scholes but he has that intensity and they were players he would have looked upto. He's just a bit of an old school blood and thunder type and thats not so easy in the modern game. With feigning of injuries all over the pitch and referees that now take issue with any kind of insubordination. He's always had a reputation for picking up cards so its part of who he is. Seems to have rediscovered his mojo under Neil only to see his ambition of playing in the premier fall away under a new manager after helping get Bournemouth there. Then rejoins Neil, a manager who got decent games out of him, only for that to fall away again. Easy to see how that may have frustrated him, being a main man then go back on the bench. I think Neil said he's the type of player who needs regular games and to build relationships around him just a bit introverted. He made some quality interceptions and passing that showed real vision on Saturday. I think he just needs to get his head straight and settle again in his largely new surroundings. If he can do that tbere is definitely a quality player in there. It's as if he's trying too hard and getting frustrated with himself and his situation. If we have a manager that can get into his head over time then he's capable of being up there with the best midfielders in this division. When he is humming his intensity is the kind of thing that can inspire those around him. In fact there may have been some frustration with his teammates. You say he needs more games but how do you give a player like him more games when he's so unprofessional when he plays. There's no doubt he has ability, nobody is saying he doesn't but you can't have a player who can't control himself on a yellow all the time. As he gets older and slower his yellows are just going to become more Reds. If you were the opposition you would just target him because he's an easy target. There is no defense for his behavior on the pitch, his stats for bookings are ridiculous, he's in a league of his own there
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Post by thisisouryear on Mar 8, 2024 7:18:03 GMT
The problem is with players on a yellow is they don't give 100% when you are out of possession because they can't. He's on a yellow all the time and in the position he plays it's not good enough. He's the most unprofessional footballer we have ever signed, he doesn't deserve to be called a professional footballer because he's anything but His middle names must be Gianni Kevin Said then...I've made my opinion on him clear, but unlike other 'unpro' players on long expensive contracts Pearson actually served us well for a spell last season. Giving him that contract has seemingly messed him up. If he'd been on a normal two year contract like others in the team, he would have had something to prove. His stats for bookings suggest it won't make a difference, he's just an idiot and always has been. That side of his game will always show it's head
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 8, 2024 13:15:02 GMT
AN needs to find another club,then take this idiot off our hands.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 8, 2024 19:54:49 GMT
I have a problem with it ( IF that was the reason). The whole point of SJWs brilliant rallying call was that everyone is in this together. He was on the pitch at the end and definitely should have acknowledged the crowd. He should ask the manager and then himself why he's not starting - probably because he hasn't shown last season's form, and possibly because he's also a walking card. On today's showing he will have a challenge taking the shirt off Burger, Laurent or Baker. I disagree. Rallying cries are all well and good but rarely solve anything unless processes, structure and personnel are in place. We won yesterday because we set up as we did under Alex Neil with a back four with traditional full backs and the press we used in the first half of the season. As Potterlytics mentioned this week, we have more solid defensive shape when Pearson is covering in midfield, whatever his limitations as a tackler, and Burger then has more creative licence - a positive as he is a much more aggressive passer than Baker and Laurent. Maybe Pearson feels he hasn’t done enough to share the plaudits, who knows? But we will need him as a player, I would start him at Leeds for sure Somewhat belatedly (and I haven't read all the rest of the thread) I think you were right when the manager brought Pearson on into the role you wanted ( but to replace Burger not to release him into a more attacking role - was WG carrying an injury ?) and played well. I see that the manager agreed and said that even during the game he was thinking about a starting place for him at Preston. When he got the first card (which was a correct decision but totally unnecessary on BP's part - the very opposite of 'taking one for the team') I joked to my daughter that he had lasted a full 16 mins without being carded. But I didn't expect even him to be stupid enough to pick up another just 18 mins later to earn his third suspension of the season !! At the game I didn't see clearly what happened but looking at the video, it looks like another correct decision, as he appears to put his arm across the neck of the opponent to block his run. In fact there might even be an argument for a straight red, as jokker said. It's possible that his first yellow saved him from a 3-match ban. A key point is that the ref was close and looking straight at it so in a much better position to make the call than video viewers. A word on the ref., and refs generally. I never meet supporters of any club, anywhere, who say that their team generally has referees biased in their favour. We are deluding ourselves if we think they are particularly biased against Stoke or certain of our players or in favour of certain teams. Championship refs are quite close to the top of their profession and only get there by performing well for many years at lower levels, and their performance is very closely scrutinised. PGMOL research has shown that a referee makes about 300 decisions in a game and that they get a very high proportion right. Each of those decisions has to be taken within seconds on a single viewing in real time from whatever angle the referee has. Of course they won't get every decision right. Most fans don't want the back-up of VAR to be extended to the Championship. We can't have our cake and eat it. Recently PGMOL have been much keener to engage with fans through the FSA, which is a good thing. Some of my colleagues have been invited to sit on some of their regular training meetings, and Kevin Friend attended our EFL network meeting only last week. Most fans don't know that every significant decision in every Championship game is reviewed after the game, and feedback given to the referee. Some of those decisions are replayed to their peers and discussed in a training meeting. My colleagues who have attended one of those meetings say they were astonished how tough they were for the referee, and how much they could get 'slated' by their colleagues for particular decisions. The ref at Leeds was Olly Langford, an experienced ref. at this level. When I used to sit on FA appeal commissions, I recall an oral hearing on an appeal against a decision where he was the ref. and being impressed with him as a witness. I can't now recall what the case was about, which is probably just as well because we were of course forbidden to talk about the details of the hearing beyond what the written reasons say. At games, when I criticise the referee, which I sometimes do like most biased fans, my family say - "if even you are slagging him off, he MUST be bad"
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Post by lordb on Mar 8, 2024 20:04:40 GMT
I disagree. Rallying cries are all well and good but rarely solve anything unless processes, structure and personnel are in place. We won yesterday because we set up as we did under Alex Neil with a back four with traditional full backs and the press we used in the first half of the season. As Potterlytics mentioned this week, we have more solid defensive shape when Pearson is covering in midfield, whatever his limitations as a tackler, and Burger then has more creative licence - a positive as he is a much more aggressive passer than Baker and Laurent. Maybe Pearson feels he hasn’t done enough to share the plaudits, who knows? But we will need him as a player, I would start him at Leeds for sure Somewhat belatedly (and I haven't read all the rest of the thread) I think you were right when the manager brought Pearson on into the role you wanted ( but to replace Burger not to release him into a more attacking role - was WG carrying an injury ?) and played well. I see that the manager agreed and said that even during the game he was thinking about a starting place for him at Preston. When he got the first card (which was a correct decision but totally unnecessary on BP's part - the very opposite of 'taking one for the team') I joked to my daughter that he had lasted a full 16 mins without being carded. But I didn't expect even him to be stupid enough to pick up another just 18 mins later to earn his third suspension of the season !! At the game I didn't see clearly what happened but looking at the video, it looks like another correct decision, as he appears to put his arm across the neck of the opponent to block his run. In fact there might even be an argument for a straight red, as jokker said. It's possible that his first yellow saved him from a 3-match ban. A key point is that the ref was close and looking straight at it so in a much better position to make the call than video viewers. A word on the ref., and refs generally. I never meet supporters of any club, anywhere, who say that their team generally has referees biased in their favour. We are deluding ourselves if we think they are particularly biased against Stoke or certain of our players or in favour of certain teams. Championship refs are quite close to the top of their profession and only get there by performing well for many years at lower levels, and their performance is very closely scrutinised. PGMOL research has shown that a referee makes about 300 decisions in a game and that they get a very high proportion right. Each of those decisions has to be taken within seconds on a single viewing in real time from whatever angle the referee has. Of course they won't get every decision right. Most fans don't want the back-up of VAR to be extended to the Championship. We can't have our cake and eat it. Recently PGMOL have been much keener to engage with fans through the FSA, which is a good thing. Some of my colleagues have been invited to sit on some of their regular training meetings, and Kevin Friend attended our EFL network meeting only last week. Most fans don't know that every significant decision in every Championship game is reviewed after the game, and feedback given to the referee. Some of those decisions are replayed to their peers and discussed in a training meeting. My colleagues who have attended one of those meetings say they were astonished how tough they were for the referee, and how much they could get 'slated' by their colleagues for particular decisions. The ref at Leeds was Olly Langford, an experienced ref. at this level. When I used to sit on FA appeal commissions, I recall an oral hearing on an appeal against a decision where he was the ref. and being impressed with him as a witness. I can't now recall what the case was about, which is probably just as well because we were of course forbidden to talk about the details of the hearing beyond what the written reasons say. At games, when I criticise the referee, which I sometimes do like most biased fans, my family say - "if even you are slagging him off, he MUST be bad" Agree with all that except Martin Atkinson was absolutely biased against Stoke and other smaller clubs in favour of the big boys
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 8, 2024 20:46:50 GMT
Somewhat belatedly (and I haven't read all the rest of the thread) I think you were right when the manager brought Pearson on into the role you wanted ( but to replace Burger not to release him into a more attacking role - was WG carrying an injury ?) and played well. I see that the manager agreed and said that even during the game he was thinking about a starting place for him at Preston. When he got the first card (which was a correct decision but totally unnecessary on BP's part - the very opposite of 'taking one for the team') I joked to my daughter that he had lasted a full 16 mins without being carded. But I didn't expect even him to be stupid enough to pick up another just 18 mins later to earn his third suspension of the season !! At the game I didn't see clearly what happened but looking at the video, it looks like another correct decision, as he appears to put his arm across the neck of the opponent to block his run. In fact there might even be an argument for a straight red, as jokker said. It's possible that his first yellow saved him from a 3-match ban. A key point is that the ref was close and looking straight at it so in a much better position to make the call than video viewers. A word on the ref., and refs generally. I never meet supporters of any club, anywhere, who say that their team generally has referees biased in their favour. We are deluding ourselves if we think they are particularly biased against Stoke or certain of our players or in favour of certain teams. Championship refs are quite close to the top of their profession and only get there by performing well for many years at lower levels, and their performance is very closely scrutinised. PGMOL research has shown that a referee makes about 300 decisions in a game and that they get a very high proportion right. Each of those decisions has to be taken within seconds on a single viewing in real time from whatever angle the referee has. Of course they won't get every decision right. Most fans don't want the back-up of VAR to be extended to the Championship. We can't have our cake and eat it. Recently PGMOL have been much keener to engage with fans through the FSA, which is a good thing. Some of my colleagues have been invited to sit on some of their regular training meetings, and Kevin Friend attended our EFL network meeting only last week. Most fans don't know that every significant decision in every Championship game is reviewed after the game, and feedback given to the referee. Some of those decisions are replayed to their peers and discussed in a training meeting. My colleagues who have attended one of those meetings say they were astonished how tough they were for the referee, and how much they could get 'slated' by their colleagues for particular decisions. The ref at Leeds was Olly Langford, an experienced ref. at this level. When I used to sit on FA appeal commissions, I recall an oral hearing on an appeal against a decision where he was the ref. and being impressed with him as a witness. I can't now recall what the case was about, which is probably just as well because we were of course forbidden to talk about the details of the hearing beyond what the written reasons say. At games, when I criticise the referee, which I sometimes do like most biased fans, my family say - "if even you are slagging him off, he MUST be bad" Agree with all that except Martin Atkinson was absolutely biased against Stoke and other smaller clubs in favour of the big boys Just a quick story about Martin (which is in our 'Marvellous' book). I once went with Nello to watch the Varsity football game at Craven Cottage. Surprisingly it was reffed by Martin Atkinson ( when he was a PL ref). After the match, Nello asked him for his autograph. Martin recognised him and said " I think it's me who should be asking for yours" which of course made Nello's day !
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Post by lordb on Mar 8, 2024 21:41:07 GMT
Agree with all that except Martin Atkinson was absolutely biased against Stoke and other smaller clubs in favour of the big boys Just a quick story about Martin (which is in our 'Marvellous' book). I once went with Nello to watch the Varsity football game at Craven Cottage. Surprisingly it was reffed by Martin Atkinson ( when he was a PL ref). After the match, Nello asked him for his autograph. Martin recognised him and said " I think it's me who should be asking for yours" which of course made Nello's day ! He recovers some respect for that Appalling and utterly biased referee, other refs must have hated him as crowds end up viewing all refs by his standards
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 8, 2024 22:06:24 GMT
Just a quick story about Martin (which is in our 'Marvellous' book). I once went with Nello to watch the Varsity football game at Craven Cottage. Surprisingly it was reffed by Martin Atkinson ( when he was a PL ref). After the match, Nello asked him for his autograph. Martin recognised him and said " I think it's me who should be asking for yours" which of course made Nello's day ! He recovers some respect for that Appalling and utterly biased referee, other refs must have hated him as crowds end up viewing all refs by his standards Yes, I admit that he did come into the category of the last sentence of my long post above ! It was a strange experience to meet someone I didn't like despite never having actually met him to find that he was a really nice guy to Nello and myself. But his refereeing assessments must have been consistently good to get to the very high level he did.
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Post by headsgoup on Mar 9, 2024 7:45:02 GMT
He's the real-life version of The Oatcake's cartoon 'Hard Bastard'.
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Post by jokker on Mar 10, 2024 6:28:16 GMT
Even though Pearson was not part of our Preston win, he still looms large over us, because Burger went and did himself a Pearson. Perhaps he's not quite as stupid as Ben, but it's decidedly not smart to get yourself booked for time wasting in a not particularly necessary situation and it's definitely stupid to get a booking when you're on a 9th booking already. If he'd made it through the match without getting booked, those 9 nine bookings would have been wiped clean from his record after the 38th game. As a result of his needless booking, Burger will now miss two matches. Hardly worthy behaviour from someone who harbours a leadership position.
As a further result Burger's place in the team will almost certainly have to be taken by Pearson (If his own suspension is over), just when we thought we might have seen the last of him for a while. Of course Thompson is also a possibility, although he too is a walking card, having just served a two match suspension.
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Post by jokker on Mar 10, 2024 6:37:16 GMT
In fact there might even be an argument for a straight red, as jokker said. It's possible that his first yellow saved him from a 3-match ban. A key point is that the ref was close and looking straight at it so in a much better position to make the call than video viewers. I wonder if the ref did look straight at it, because he too would have been following the action, which was further ahead. I obviously don't know, but my guess is that he saw Pearson's action against James from the corner of his eye and on the basis of not really seeing what happened, just seeing James - no doubt moaning loudly - lying on the ground, could only produce a yellow. Had he seen the full extent of it he would have had no option but to produce a red.
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Post by idle on Mar 10, 2024 8:09:17 GMT
At the game I didn't see clearly what happened but looking at the video, it looks like another correct decision, as he appears to put his arm across the neck of the opponent to block his run. I'm gonna have to throw out an old internet adage here: Pics, or it didn't happen. I see (look at the highlights) him lift his arm a bit to try and block James. Not high at all. How this translates into "put his arm across his neck" I'll never know. Put his arm in front of his throat would be more believable, but James wasn't holding his throat like he'd been strangled by Mr.T, as he would if that was the case.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 10, 2024 8:24:39 GMT
Even though Pearson was not part of our Preston win, he still looms large over us, because Burger went and did himself a Pearson. Perhaps he's not quite as stupid as Ben, but it's decidedly not smart to get yourself booked for time wasting in a not particularly necessary situation and it's definitely stupid to get a booking when you're on a 9th booking already. If he'd made it through the match without getting booked, those 9 nine bookings would have been wiped clean from his record after the 38th game. As a result of his needless booking, Burger will now miss two matches. Hardly worthy behaviour from someone who harbours a leadership position. As a further result Burger's place in the team will almost certainly have to be taken by Pearson (If his own suspension is over), just when we thought we might have seen the last of him for a while. Of course Thompson is also a possibility, although he too is a walking card, having just served a two match suspension. I do think Burger was unlucky even though he didn’t help himself. Because of the reaction of the Preston player the ref felt he had to book him. Burger didn’t have hold of the ball very long and certainly no longer than players who’ve not been booked the majority of the time in games. It’ll be interesting to see how many players in future games are booked for holding onto the ball for longer than Burger but don’t get challenged by an opposition player. Plus what about the numerous times in a game a keeper drops on the ball or a team keeps swapping a throw in taker. They rarely get punished and their actions waste far more time.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 10, 2024 8:40:16 GMT
Even though Pearson was not part of our Preston win, he still looms large over us, because Burger went and did himself a Pearson. Perhaps he's not quite as stupid as Ben, but it's decidedly not smart to get yourself booked for time wasting in a not particularly necessary situation and it's definitely stupid to get a booking when you're on a 9th booking already. If he'd made it through the match without getting booked, those 9 nine bookings would have been wiped clean from his record after the 38th game. As a result of his needless booking, Burger will now miss two matches. Hardly worthy behaviour from someone who harbours a leadership position. As a further result Burger's place in the team will almost certainly have to be taken by Pearson (If his own suspension is over), just when we thought we might have seen the last of him for a while. Of course Thompson is also a possibility, although he too is a walking card, having just served a two match suspension. Do we think there’s a possibility of dropping Baker and Laurent into the defensive midfield positions with Junho and Manhoef/Cundle in the attacking midfield spots? Or if he reverts to 433, Baker and Laurent anchoring with Junho in front with Campbell and Manhoef wide with Ennis through the middle? Just trying to think of scenarios where Pearson or Thompson don’t play
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Post by idle on Mar 10, 2024 8:44:08 GMT
Do we think there’s a possibility of dropping Baker and Laurent into the defensive midfield positions with Junho and Manhoef/Cundle in the attacking midfield spots? Or if he reverts to 433, Baker and Laurent anchoring with Junho in front with Campbell and Manhoef wide with Ennis through the middle? Just trying to think of scenarios where Pearson or Thompson don’t play I think we'll be very vulnerable in midfield if we do unless Laurent has one of his "1 in 13" performances being all over the pitch. Against a worse team it could work, but Norwich is the in-form team of the championship and would crucify us.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 10, 2024 8:48:29 GMT
Do we think there’s a possibility of dropping Baker and Laurent into the defensive midfield positions with Junho and Manhoef/Cundle in the attacking midfield spots? Or if he reverts to 433, Baker and Laurent anchoring with Junho in front with Campbell and Manhoef wide with Ennis through the middle? Just trying to think of scenarios where Pearson or Thompson don’t play I think we'll be very vulnerable in midfield if we do unless Laurent has one of his "1 in 13" performances being all over the pitch. Against a worse team it could work, but Norwich is the in-form team of the championship and would crucify us. Agree it’s another selection test and the answer isn’t Cundle and Juno as 2 10s its filed before and will again . Personally id stay with 3 central defenders as Barnes is a proper physical handful and Sarjent decent and id start Thomson i he Bugur role , I might be tempted if fit to rest Juno and go Ennis and Campbell as the front 2 players
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2024 9:07:41 GMT
I think we'll be very vulnerable in midfield if we do unless Laurent has one of his "1 in 13" performances being all over the pitch. Against a worse team it could work, but Norwich is the in-form team of the championship and would crucify us. Agree it’s another selection test and the answer isn’t Cundle and Juno as 2 10s its filed before and will again . Personally id stay with 3 central defenders as Barnes is a proper physical handful and Sarjent decent and id start Thomson i he Bugur role , I might be tempted if fit to rest Juno and go Ennis and Campbell as the front 2 players Barnes is a handful and clever with it but he's not going to beat us for pace (our real weakness), McNally will have trained against him plenty, with Norwich playing 1 up top would go to back 4 and bring Manhoef in to carry that extra threat Pearson or Thompson? Not sure, part of me recognises that he played really well when he came at Leeds but just can't ignore how stupid he was for both yellows Thompson sitting deep isn't a bad option, should help keep an eye on Norwich midfield forward runs
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 10, 2024 9:10:05 GMT
I would definitely play Thompson, just putting other suggestions out there
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 10, 2024 10:31:22 GMT
Play Thompson against Norwich. He’s near and tidy and can put his foot in. I never want to see Pearson in a Stoke shirt again. Complete liability.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 10, 2024 10:46:24 GMT
Play Thompson against Norwich. He’s near and tidy and can put his foot in. I never want to see Pearson in a Stoke shirt again. Complete liability. Yep Thompson can sit in there no problem without the needless fouls and giving the ball away with lazy attempted flicks straight to the opposition. Sadly think will be Pearson though
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Post by moon on Mar 10, 2024 10:51:51 GMT
Pearson for 1/2 game, Thompson for the other half. They’ll both pick up a yellow.
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Post by idle on Mar 10, 2024 11:57:13 GMT
Some people just "feel" too much. Check the fucking stats. Thompson is worse than Pearson. 10 yellow 1 red in 16(7) appearances. Pearson has 12/1 in 21/7.
I'll prefer SS says to Pearson: "You start. If you get a yellow, I'll pull you off instantly."
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 10, 2024 12:13:18 GMT
Some people just "feel" too much. Check the fucking stats. Thompson is worse than Pearson. 10 yellow 1 red in 16(7) appearances. Pearson has 12/1 in 21/7. I'll prefer SS says to Pearson: "You start. If you get a yellow, I'll pull you off instantly." I’d be looking for a yellow if I was on a promise of “..I’ll pull you off instantly” 😆
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Post by idle on Mar 10, 2024 12:14:20 GMT
Some people just "feel" too much. Check the fucking stats. Thompson is worse than Pearson. 10 yellow 1 red in 16(7) appearances. Pearson has 12/1 in 21/7. I'll prefer SS says to Pearson: "You start. If you get a yellow, I'll pull you off instantly." I’d be looking for a yellow if I was on a promise of “..I’ll pull you off instantly” 😆 By Schuey? Not judging you, we all have our kicks
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 10, 2024 12:21:24 GMT
Play Thompson against Norwich. He’s near and tidy and can put his foot in. I never want to see Pearson in a Stoke shirt again. Complete liability. Pearson is a much better player than Thompson in my opinion. Apart from being sent off Pearson had a good game against Leeds.
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Post by nickhfc on Mar 10, 2024 12:44:17 GMT
Pearson for 1/2 game, Thompson for the other half. They’ll both pick up a yellow. They’re both half a yard too slow which is why they are late to the tackle.
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Post by idle on Mar 10, 2024 12:49:59 GMT
Pearson for 1/2 game, Thompson for the other half. They’ll both pick up a yellow. They’re both half a yard too slow which is why they are late to the tackle. Pearson is in the top 10th percetile for interceptions in the championship, while Thompson is in the bottom half (of all players!). That tells you everything about his defensive abilities. Thompson gets a yellow (or more) by being out of position, while Pearson gets them for being a dick... This is why we let them play a half each, Pearson starts, Thompson on when he gets a card.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 10, 2024 12:50:54 GMT
Definitely Pearson to start. Swap him after 60 minutes when he will inevitably already be on a Yellow. Hes miles better than Thompson in that holding role.
He just needs to shut his gob. Some of the yellows he has taken for the team were "smart" fouls that stopped a break-away.
Why he thinks he is Tommy 10 Men I dont know. Hes about 5'6
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 10, 2024 12:54:27 GMT
I think the fact some are arguing that Pearson was good until he was sent off says a lot about him Back to square one if he plays
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