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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 10, 2024 13:08:58 GMT
At the game I didn't see clearly what happened but looking at the video, it looks like another correct decision, as he appears to put his arm across the neck of the opponent to block his run. I'm gonna have to throw out an old internet adage here: Pics, or it didn't happen. I see (look at the highlights) him lift his arm a bit to try and block James. Not high at all. How this translates into "put his arm across his neck" I'll never know. Put his arm in front of his throat would be more believable, but James wasn't holding his throat like he'd been strangled by Mr.T, as he would if that was the case. I think that in a football context (as opposed to medical school ) your distinction between the throat and the neck is a false one, and unless you restrict the definition of "high" to the head, both/either can reasonably be described as high. You tempted me to look at it again (although it's a distant, elevated view, much poorer than the refs view and the quality isn't brilliant) ) and I now think we were both wrong. He appears to shove him from behind in the neck/top of the back, either to slow his run or just through retaliatory petulance, or both. Not enough for a straight red for violent conduct but definitely worth a yellow. I think the ref got it right. I think most of us will often cut some slack to a player who commits a foul and gets booked when trying to play the ball. Some do so when a player "takes one for the team" to prevent a dangerous opening (not me - I think the phrase "professional foul" is an oxymoron). But neither of Pearson's bookings came into those categories and were just stupid. If he replaces Burger on Saturday, I hope he cuts out that sort of nonsense. We just can't afford it.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 10, 2024 13:56:20 GMT
Could Sidibi do a job there?
He played really well when getting picked earlier in the season.
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2024 13:57:54 GMT
Could Sidibi do a job there? He played really well when getting picked earlier in the season. He's more box to box would have him on the bench
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 14:02:53 GMT
Pearson has more than a 1 game ban surely?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 10, 2024 14:26:37 GMT
Pearson has more than a 1 game ban surely? I think it's just an automatic 1 game ban for the sending off ( would have been 3 for a straight red).
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 14:29:46 GMT
Pearson has more than a 1 game ban surely? I think it's just an automatic 1 game ban for the sending off ( would have been 3 for a straight red). Thought he’d have got more. Was that his 2nd or 3rd red card? I’ve lost count 🤷♂️
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2024 14:44:40 GMT
I think it's just an automatic 1 game ban for the sending off ( would have been 3 for a straight red). Thought he’d have got more. Was that his 2nd or 3rd red card? I’ve lost count 🤷♂️ First red this season
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2024 14:51:22 GMT
Thought he’d have got more. Was that his 2nd or 3rd red card? I’ve lost count 🤷♂️ First red this season Is it really? Wow. I’d have sworn he’d had 2 at least
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 10, 2024 14:59:35 GMT
Schumacher confirmed it was just the one match ban in the pre-PNE conference
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Post by wearepremierleague on Mar 10, 2024 15:28:14 GMT
Is it really? Wow. I’d have sworn he’d had 2 at least He has. Got a second booking for throwing the ball back to a player
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 10, 2024 15:43:27 GMT
Is it really? Wow. I’d have sworn he’d had 2 at least He has. Got a second booking for throwing the ball back to a player Think that was at the end of last season against West Brom
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 10, 2024 15:47:33 GMT
Is it really? Wow. I’d have sworn he’d had 2 at least 3 suspensions ( not reds) this season. It is easy to lose count !
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Post by dioufsboots on Mar 10, 2024 15:52:22 GMT
Absolute idiot needs replacing end of season we could get better from league one
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2024 15:55:44 GMT
Absolute idiot needs replacing end of season we could get better from league one Doubt we could get a better player for that position from League 1 (if we can suggest a name) however 'absolute idiot' is more than fair
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Post by wilcopotter on Mar 10, 2024 16:03:39 GMT
Be interesting to see if SS thinks he has a future if we stay up.
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Post by dioufsboots on Mar 10, 2024 16:11:48 GMT
Absolute idiot needs replacing end of season we could get better from league one Doubt we could get a better player for that position from League 1 (if we can suggest a name) however 'absolute idiot' is more than fair Christ tiehi will be there pretty soon I’d take him over Pearson all day, we should be all over that along with there keeper,I’d take max bird over him aswell,and there’s probably others that will put in more effort an we won’t have worry about them getting sent off every time they are on the pitch he’s a liability who ain’t half the player he used be
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Post by jokker on Mar 10, 2024 16:38:23 GMT
Definitely Pearson to start. Swap him after 60 minutes when he will inevitably already be on a Yellow. It usually only takes him five minutes to get a card over some little nothing matter. What do you do then? Take him off after five minutes or wait to see if he gets another before the break? Norwich, or any of the remaining eight teams, will be sure to test him or they will play act to ensure the ref has a reason to send him off. SS, like a lot of young managers, probably believes in the good of people, and when he and Pearson had their talk Pearson probably promised 'never again'. Sorry, but I just can't believe that he would change his essential manner of "being a dick" so soon.
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Post by jokker on Mar 10, 2024 16:50:30 GMT
Even though Pearson was not part of our Preston win, he still looms large over us, because Burger went and did himself a Pearson. Perhaps he's not quite as stupid as Ben, but it's decidedly not smart to get yourself booked for time wasting in a not particularly necessary situation and it's definitely stupid to get a booking when you're on a 9th booking already. If he'd made it through the match without getting booked, those 9 nine bookings would have been wiped clean from his record after the 38th game. As a result of his needless booking, Burger will now miss two matches. Hardly worthy behaviour from someone who harbours a leadership position. As a further result Burger's place in the team will almost certainly have to be taken by Pearson (If his own suspension is over), just when we thought we might have seen the last of him for a while. Of course Thompson is also a possibility, although he too is a walking card, having just served a two match suspension. Do we think there’s a possibility of dropping Baker and Laurent into the defensive midfield positions with Junho and Manhoef/Cundle in the attacking midfield spots? Or if he reverts to 433, Baker and Laurent anchoring with Junho in front with Campbell and Manhoef wide with Ennis through the middle? Just trying to think of scenarios where Pearson or Thompson don’t play We could probably see any one of those scenarios occuring at some point in a game, but I think we can all agree that we have a right to hope, it will be late in a game that we've already won. None of those players are strong in defensive roles, although in Baker's years of trying to fit in with all or some of his clubs, he probably was tried there. Another option, if we revert to 433, is to move Wilmot forward, purely to break up opposition moves and to protect the back four. Creativity just don't come into it for him. But that would require yet another style change, when we've just found a winning formation.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 10, 2024 17:38:30 GMT
Could Sidibi do a job there? He played really well when getting picked earlier in the season. Another reason why we never should have brought Cundle in! We should rather have given Sidibe more playing time.
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Post by idle on Mar 10, 2024 18:15:12 GMT
I'm gonna have to throw out an old internet adage here: Pics, or it didn't happen. I see (look at the highlights) him lift his arm a bit to try and block James. Not high at all. How this translates into "put his arm across his neck" I'll never know. Put his arm in front of his throat would be more believable, but James wasn't holding his throat like he'd been strangled by Mr.T, as he would if that was the case. I think that in a football context (as opposed to medical school ) your distinction between the throat and the neck is a false one, and unless you restrict the definition of "high" to the head, both/either can reasonably be described as high. Yeah, this is probably because in my native language the neck is the back of the area between the shoulders and the head, and the throat is the front part. I see now that you use neck for both, thus causing me to confuse the two. You tempted me to look at it again (although it's a distant, elevated view, much poorer than the refs view and the quality isn't brilliant) ) and I now think we were both wrong. He appears to shove him from behind in the neck/top of the back, either to slow his run or just through retaliatory petulance, or both. Not enough for a straight red for violent conduct but definitely worth a yellow. I think the ref got it right. I agree that it could be interpreted that he hits the back of the neck of James, and maybe the ref sees just that, and the yellow is correct. But it seems to me he hits the shoulder or even below the shoulder - just enough to tip him off balance. And he goes down looking for a foul, like he did the whole game. It could also be as you say in his field of vision but outside his focus. In that case giving a player a yellow for the reaction of a known diver is poor refereeing at best, and giving the home side an advantage at worst. I think most of us will often cut some slack to a player who commits a foul and gets booked when trying to play the ball. Some do so when a player "takes one for the team" to prevent a dangerous opening (not me - I think the phrase "professional foul" is an oxymoron). But neither of Pearson's bookings came into those categories and were just stupid. If he replaces Burger on Saturday, I hope he cuts out that sort of nonsense. We just can't afford it. I couldn't agree more. They should be called "unprofessional fouls".
As for Pearson, he needs to cut out everything and be squeky clean, because he's clearly targeted, both by the opposition and the referees.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 10, 2024 18:39:00 GMT
Definitely Pearson to start. Swap him after 60 minutes when he will inevitably already be on a Yellow. It usually only takes him five minutes to get a card over some little nothing matter. What do you do then? Take him off after five minutes or wait to see if he gets another before the break? Norwich, or any of the remaining eight teams, will be sure to test him or they will play act to ensure the ref has a reason to send him off. SS, like a lot of young managers, probably believes in the good of people, and when he and Pearson had their talk Pearson probably promised 'never again'. Sorry, but I just can't believe that he would change his essential manner of "being a dick" so soon. Usually? How many times has he been carded within 5 minutes?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 10, 2024 19:30:24 GMT
I think that in a football context (as opposed to medical school ) your distinction between the throat and the neck is a false one, and unless you restrict the definition of "high" to the head, both/either can reasonably be described as high. Yeah, this is probably because in my native language the neck is the back of the area between the shoulders and the head, and the throat is the front part. I see now that you use neck for both, thus causing me to confuse the two. You tempted me to look at it again (although it's a distant, elevated view, much poorer than the refs view and the quality isn't brilliant) ) and I now think we were both wrong. He appears to shove him from behind in the neck/top of the back, either to slow his run or just through retaliatory petulance, or both. Not enough for a straight red for violent conduct but definitely worth a yellow. I think the ref got it right. I agree that it could be interpreted that he hits the back of the neck of James, and maybe the ref sees just that, and the yellow is correct. But it seems to me he hits the shoulder or even below the shoulder - just enough to tip him off balance. And he goes down looking for a foul, like he did the whole game. It could also be as you say in his field of vision but outside his focus. In that case giving a player a yellow for the reaction of a known diver is poor refereeing at best, and giving the home side an advantage at worst. I think most of us will often cut some slack to a player who commits a foul and gets booked when trying to play the ball. Some do so when a player "takes one for the team" to prevent a dangerous opening (not me - I think the phrase "professional foul" is an oxymoron). But neither of Pearson's bookings came into those categories and were just stupid. If he replaces Burger on Saturday, I hope he cuts out that sort of nonsense. We just can't afford it. I couldn't agree more. They should be called "unprofessional fouls". As for Pearson, he needs to cut out everything and be squeky clean, because he's clearly targeted, both by the opposition and the referees. Ah ! As a matter of interest idle, what is your native language? Dan James is a bit of a diver. There was an earlier example of that in the game right in front of the away fans, but I think refs will be aware of that and it doesn’t mean Pearson’s 2nd yellow wasn’t the right decision, which I think it was. I don’t believe referees target Pearson. That’s too easy an excuse ! I think his troubles are of his own making.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 10, 2024 19:36:37 GMT
Yeah, this is probably because in my native language the neck is the back of the area between the shoulders and the head, and the throat is the front part. I see now that you use neck for both, thus causing me to confuse the two. I agree that it could be interpreted that he hits the back of the neck of James, and maybe the ref sees just that, and the yellow is correct. But it seems to me he hits the shoulder or even below the shoulder - just enough to tip him off balance. And he goes down looking for a foul, like he did the whole game. It could also be as you say in his field of vision but outside his focus. In that case giving a player a yellow for the reaction of a known diver is poor refereeing at best, and giving the home side an advantage at worst. I couldn't agree more. They should be called "unprofessional fouls". As for Pearson, he needs to cut out everything and be squeky clean, because he's clearly targeted, both by the opposition and the referees. Ah ! As a matter of interest idle, what is your native language? Dan James is a bit of a diver. There was an earlier example of that in the game right in front of the away fans, but I think refs will be aware of that and it doesn’t mean Pearson’s 2nd yellow wasn’t the right decision, which I think it was. I don’t believe referees target Pearson. That’s too easy an excuse ! I think his troubles are of his own making. Yep You simply don't do that on a yellow in front of the ref He makes it easy for refs, no reason they would target thim, they simply don't. I think v Boro was it he came on late and in fact escaped a clear yellow with his usual sticking a leg out challenge when totally unneccesary
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Post by idle on Mar 10, 2024 19:47:03 GMT
Yeah, this is probably because in my native language the neck is the back of the area between the shoulders and the head, and the throat is the front part. I see now that you use neck for both, thus causing me to confuse the two. I agree that it could be interpreted that he hits the back of the neck of James, and maybe the ref sees just that, and the yellow is correct. But it seems to me he hits the shoulder or even below the shoulder - just enough to tip him off balance. And he goes down looking for a foul, like he did the whole game. It could also be as you say in his field of vision but outside his focus. In that case giving a player a yellow for the reaction of a known diver is poor refereeing at best, and giving the home side an advantage at worst. I couldn't agree more. They should be called "unprofessional fouls". As for Pearson, he needs to cut out everything and be squeky clean, because he's clearly targeted, both by the opposition and the referees. Ah ! As a matter of interest idle, what is your native language? Dan James is a bit of a diver. There was an earlier example of that in the game right in front of the away fans, but I think refs will be aware of that and it doesn’t mean Pearson’s 2nd yellow wasn’t the right decision, which I think it was. I don’t believe referees target Pearson. That’s too easy an excuse ! I think his troubles are of his own making. Norwegian. We actually also use the word for throat (hals) for both the front part and the whole thing, just to make the confusion perfect. I do believe it's his own making of his own reputation, so it's both. It's not like it's not understandable... I understand (and respect) the refs decision, they have a tough job. I am involved in trying to remove VAR from the top league at home, so I know and accept that mistakes happen. Home-bias is real though. Just not at the Britannia ( ). My problem is with fans making it into a big deal even if it is annoying having to play with 10 men while chasing a game, for something that could just as easily have been just a free kick, or even nothing at all. It hasn't happened before this season, even if he's missed a few games through suspension because of the yellow cards.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 10, 2024 19:56:44 GMT
Ah ! As a matter of interest idle, what is your native language? Dan James is a bit of a diver. There was an earlier example of that in the game right in front of the away fans, but I think refs will be aware of that and it doesn’t mean Pearson’s 2nd yellow wasn’t the right decision, which I think it was. I don’t believe referees target Pearson. That’s too easy an excuse ! I think his troubles are of his own making. Norwegian. We actually also use the word for throat (hals) for both the front part and the whole thing, just to make the confusion perfect. Every day is a school day
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Post by nott1 on Mar 10, 2024 20:41:04 GMT
There is generally no sane reason for most of his fouling. He is clearly dumb!
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 10, 2024 20:53:20 GMT
Could Sidibi do a job there? He played really well when getting picked earlier in the season. Another reason why we never should have brought Cundle in! We should rather have given Sidibe more playing time. Cundle brings nothing to the team,a totally ineffective player.So weak I think he would struggle in a Lads and Dads team.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 10, 2024 20:57:22 GMT
Another reason why we never should have brought Cundle in! We should rather have given Sidibe more playing time. Cundle brings nothing to the team,a totally ineffective player.So weak I think he would struggle in a Lads and Dads team. I’m sure he’s a decent player in a confident side but I don’t think the transfer team read the room and were oblivious to the fact we are in a relegation battle. We have enough midfielders who are our own players without adding to it with loan signings when the obvious ones were centre back and left back
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 14, 2024 13:28:21 GMT
"It might be an opportunity for Ben to get back in the team and stay there"
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 14, 2024 15:50:42 GMT
If he is back for Norwich then....I will say now booked after 11 mins
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