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Post by spitthedog on Feb 20, 2024 22:49:38 GMT
Unused sub for MK Dons which is really disappointing and frustrating.
So not much to watch sadly!
Its looking a really poor loan arrangement for him and us so far!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 20, 2024 22:53:52 GMT
Unused sub for MK Dons which is really disappointing and frustrating. So not much to watch sadly! Its looking a really poor loan arrangement for him and us so far! Fake club anyway. Should have gone somewhere else. MK dons my arse |
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 20, 2024 22:58:27 GMT
Unused sub for MK Dons which is really disappointing and frustrating. So not much to watch sadly! Its looking a really poor loan arrangement for him and us so far! Fake club anyway. Should have gone somewhere else. MK dons my arse It's not a club and should be banned. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 20, 2024 23:03:28 GMT
It's possibly even harder for some young lads to play at a lower level than at championship standard. What it lacks in quality, it makes up for in physicality and aggression. He's only just 18 isn't he? Other than Simkin I can't remember the last time we had a really successful loan for one of our youngsters.
Hopefully he can still make an impression there before the season is out.
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 20, 2024 23:04:42 GMT
It's possibly even harder for some young lads to play at a lower level than at championship standard. What it lacks in quality, it makes up for in physicality and aggression. He's only just 18 isn't he? Other than Simkin I can't remember the last time we had a really successful loan for one of our youngsters. Hopefully he can still make an impression there before the season is out. Souttar? |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 20, 2024 23:10:47 GMT
It's possibly even harder for some young lads to play at a lower level than at championship standard. What it lacks in quality, it makes up for in physicality and aggression. He's only just 18 isn't he? Other than Simkin I can't remember the last time we had a really successful loan for one of our youngsters. Hopefully he can still make an impression there before the season is out. Souttar? And probably Taylor to be fair. Overall though I don't feel like we have enough success stories. You want lads banging in goals and coming back ready to play. It's probably the case with 99% of everyone else's loans as well but I can only base it on following Stoke. |
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 20, 2024 23:27:35 GMT
And probably Taylor to be fair. Overall though I don't feel like we have enough success stories. You want lads banging in goals and coming back ready to play. It's probably the case with 99% of everyone else's loans as well but I can only base it on following Stoke. Just looked at the top scorers in League One and out of the top 10 goalscorers only one is less than 28 years of age. All between 28 and 33. None on loan of course. That says something in itself. Its probably not a good league for young goalscorers who are not developed physically. |
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Post by tuum on Feb 21, 2024 0:47:37 GMT
Not sure he will get much game time if the present trend continues. MK Don's fans not overly impressed on first few games...too slow, lightweight etc.
He was sub on the weekend and the other centre forward scored two goals on his full league debut in their win at Swindon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2024 3:00:30 GMT
Not sure he will get much game time if the present trend continues. MK Don's fans not overly impressed on first few games...too slow, lightweight etc. He was sub on the weekend and the other centre forward scored two goals on his full league debut in their win at Swindon. He wasn’t getting in the team here, so fighting for a place in their first team will still do him good. Hopefully, he can get a second opinion on what he needs to do to make it into the first team. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 21, 2024 5:45:07 GMT
He played the full game on Saturday I think
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 21, 2024 6:22:48 GMT
This is the lad who bayern's been telling us is ready to play at Championship level...Where have we heard that before?
In the real world, not many 18 year-olds are ready to do that. You've got to be something special to even hold your own in the second tier.
You can see there's something there with both Tezgel and Lowe, however. They're a long way off yet, but worth persevering with. What that means in the short to medium term though is a loan to whatever level they're going to be getting games at. League 2? National League? Even National League North...anywhere where they'll be starting games week in, week out and getting games against proper defenders rather than skinny young kids.
The aim should be to get them into our team by the age of 21. Although by that time, we might have reached L2 ourselves...
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 21, 2024 7:31:27 GMT
He played the full game on Saturday I think Sadly not mate,he came on as a 90th minute sub |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2024 7:39:50 GMT
I ventured onto their forum (sorry!) after they got humped 4 nil at Bradford and they were laying into him.
Sadly it seems the loan isn't going too well, however as we've seen with Sima, Matondo and Philogene ourselves, the first loans can be pretty tough and not necessarily career defining.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 21, 2024 7:53:40 GMT
Always going to be a long shot that an 18yo was going to get serious minutes at League 2 level - or any level.
That 18-21 period is a minefield unless you're in the top 1% (in both talent and physical development) like Rooney or Bellingham.
There was in interview with his u18 manager at Stoke on the radio yesterday who acknowledged it'd be a learning curve for him and "he'd be in and out of the side all the time", so doubt it's unexpected.
He's a lot closer there than here, and it'll probably be benefitting him in the big picture.
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Post by stokesupporter on Feb 21, 2024 8:02:15 GMT
Not sure he will get much game time if the present trend continues. MK Don's fans not overly impressed on first few games...too slow, lightweight etc. He was sub on the weekend and the other centre forward scored two goals on his full league debut in their win at Swindon. What I've seen I have to agree with them. Needs to build up some muscle to make it but he's a young lad and his skills are certainly good enough. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 21, 2024 8:44:00 GMT
And probably Taylor to be fair. Overall though I don't feel like we have enough success stories. You want lads banging in goals and coming back ready to play. It's probably the case with 99% of everyone else's loans as well but I can only base it on following Stoke. Look at liam delap, he's on his 3rd championship loan and only now beginning g To get a grip on what's needed to make it |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Feb 21, 2024 8:48:30 GMT
Not sure he will get much game time if the present trend continues. MK Don's fans not overly impressed on first few games...too slow, lightweight etc. He was sub on the weekend and the other centre forward scored two goals on his full league debut in their win at Swindon. What I've seen I have to agree with them. Needs to build up some muscle to make it but he's a young lad and his skills are certainly good enough. And yet some here think he's ready for championship football, some even calling for a lowe tezgel front 2. Nooooooooooooo. |
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Post by nott1 on Feb 21, 2024 8:48:55 GMT
He is obviously not good enough in their view as he would be playing, so he should be loaned out at a lower level!
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 21, 2024 8:57:11 GMT
I don't think it's a commentary on where his ceiling as a player is. It's just a massive ask for an 18 year-old who's never played senior football, and who isn't particularly advanced physically, to start shining anywhere in the football league at that age
Look how long it took Liam Delap, and he was an absolute monster physically who was clearly the best striker in the Premier League u21 system. He only started looking the part in his third loan, at 21. And Philogene is only flourishing now, at 22, after about 50 games at Championship level.
It's hard to know what we should do with both Lowe and him next season, because lower-league teams aren't charities. They want loanees to be ready to really add to their team, and be at the right point of their development to be able to do that more than seasoned players they could buy
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Post by jokker on Feb 21, 2024 9:05:07 GMT
I ventured onto their forum (sorry!) after they got humped 4 nil at Bradford and they were laying into him. Sadly it seems the loan isn't going too well, however as we've seen with Sima, Matondo and Philogene ourselves, the first loans can be pretty tough and not necessarily career defining. A fan forum is hardly indicative of whether a player is going to make it or not. Just look at the players who's been dismissed on here then went on to carve careers for themselves, like Souttar for instance. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 21, 2024 9:31:50 GMT
On first impressions both him and Lowe appear to lack the yard of pace to be a top front player, Tezgel may add some pace as he strengthens. Lowe has more physicality and both are technically good. Tezgel’s future may be as a 10
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 21, 2024 9:42:23 GMT
Not sure he will get much game time if the present trend continues. MK Don's fans not overly impressed on first few games...too slow, lightweight etc. He was sub on the weekend and the other centre forward scored two goals on his full league debut in their win at Swindon. What I've seen I have to agree with them. Needs to build up some muscle to make it but he's a young lad and his skills are certainly good enough. If all he needs to do is bulk up a bit, would it not have been better having him pumping iron in the gym instead of going out on loan? |
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Post by Veritas on Feb 21, 2024 9:48:04 GMT
What I've seen I have to agree with them. Needs to build up some muscle to make it but he's a young lad and his skills are certainly good enough. If all he needs to do is bulk up a bit, would it not have been better having him pumping iron in the gym instead of going out on loan? No player at that age simply needs to bulk up. It is as much about smartening up as strengthening up which is why they need to be playing with and against experienced pros. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2024 9:53:13 GMT
I don't think it's a commentary on where his ceiling as a player is. It's just a massive ask for an 18 year-old who's never played senior football, and who isn't particularly advanced physically, to start shining anywhere in the football league at that age Look how long it took Liam Delap, and he was an absolute monster physically who was clearly the best striker in the Premier League u21 system. He only started looking the part in his third loan, at 21. And Philogene is only flourishing now, at 22, after about 50 games at Championship level. It's hard to know what we should do with both Lowe and him next season, because lower-league teams aren't charities. They want loanees to be ready to really add to their team, and be at the right point of their development to be able to do that more than seasoned players they could buy I think that they should send them lower. Loans should be effective for the loaning team. If he’s not good enough on the ball to account for his inexperience and lack of physicality, then it’s a waste of MK Dons’ time. When Stoke bring in a loan player, you want them to be of the level of the league and to then get better throughout the year. The concept of loaning kids used to be that these players were out of your budget because of their current ability (not their possible potential). If his other traits aren’t good enough to overcome his weaknesses, he should be sent to a league where they are. As long as it’s higher than the U21s, it’s still positive as he’ll be doing what he really needs to do: i.e., learn how to deal with people who are bigger and stronger than him, He’ll get good life experience from fighting for a place in the team rather than just excelling in the U21s though. |
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Post by tuum on Feb 21, 2024 10:17:57 GMT
He is obviously not good enough in their view as he would be playing, so he should be loaned out at a lower level! Are we talking about us or the MK Don's fans? |
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Post by emretezzy on Feb 21, 2024 10:34:37 GMT
Always going to be a long shot that an 18yo was going to get serious minutes at League 2 level - or any level. That 18-21 period is a minefield unless you're in the top 1% (in both talent and physical development) like Rooney or Bellingham. There was in interview with his u18 manager at Stoke on the radio yesterday who acknowledged it'd be a learning curve for him and "he'd be in and out of the side all the time", so doubt it's unexpected. He's a lot closer there than here, and it'll probably be benefitting him in the big picture. Is he though FM? The team now has to be Ennis upfront and then one off the bench. After Lowes performance he would have more of a chance here at present. I'd have him as the number 2 striker as it stands. |
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Post by femark on Feb 21, 2024 10:53:19 GMT
Pretty standard first loan for a player...in and out of the team, scored a few, looked a little bit lightweight. Harry Kane went on to do alright. Attachments:
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Feb 21, 2024 10:58:05 GMT
I predict he'll grow into the team more before the end of the season and score 2 or 3
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 21, 2024 10:58:42 GMT
What I've seen I have to agree with them. Needs to build up some muscle to make it but he's a young lad and his skills are certainly good enough. If all he needs to do is bulk up a bit, would it not have been better having him pumping iron in the gym instead of going out on loan? Definitely not. He doesn't need body building - I think Campbell' s problems came when he bulked up too much. Vardy is as thin as a rake. Tezgel needs know how which he can only get playing against men. He needs to know how to use his body to shield the ball and how to use his brain to steal a yard on defenders |
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 21, 2024 11:11:00 GMT
He is obviously not good enough in their view as he would be playing, so he should be loaned out at a lower level! It's always a mistake sending a player out for experience to a team that's already doing well. MK Dons are in the Top 5 of League Two. They don't need to be blooding youngsters. I actually think he would have been better off going to Wimbledon to fill the vacancy left by Al-Hamadi leaving for Ipswich. They play good football, and he may have got more time on the pitch there. |
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