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Post by professorplump on Feb 12, 2024 7:51:06 GMT
There seems to be some people who want Pulis back. I think that would a hugely risky appointment. TP has been out of the game for some time now and he failed in his last couple of jobs before his retirement, especially at Sheff Wed where he played a major role in their relegation. I also don't think our current squad are his type of players and I think he would struggle to get anything out of them. He was a great manager for us but times change and his time has gone now.
If we really have to go down the ex manager route, I would go for MON until the end of the season. He got us out of trouble once before and was able to hit the ground running. I would then offer him the Technical Director role in the summer. I have to say though that I haven't given up on Schumacher yet but the next 2 games are vitally important for him and us.
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Post by peekay67 on Feb 12, 2024 8:36:11 GMT
For what it’s worth, here’s my take on things since Hughes left. I find it difficult to believe that the managers that we’ve hired and fired since that that time are all bad. Yes some may have tried tactics that weren’t suitable to or were even beyond the comprehension of the players at their disposal, but for them all to have “ failed “ in the eyes of the fans and the board astounds me. Given that we are where we are now, it would be a remarkable achievement for Schumacher to keep us up. There must be a deeper problem here than continual managerial failure, surely all of them can’t have “lost “ the dressing room. Therefore the issue has to lie with the recruitment policy and it’s these people who must be removed from our club as soon as possible. Sadly I think we will be relegated this season, I hope that I’m wrong, as too many of the teams around us are picking up points on a far more regular basis than we are. Either way if we stay up or go down if the board don’t act to remove those in charge of recruitment even staying in League One will be a challenge. I'm in a fair amount of agreement with this. TP signed mostly misfits, semi-cripples and players who'd failed elsewhere and turned them into a team nobody wanted to play against. For some reason, and I've no idea what that is, since those times we've signed experienced Championship players and other promising players who have mostly been turned into a pile of shit! There's something going on at Stoke that has done this for a few years now; every time we feel optimistic about a player, he turns into an incompetent, useless passenger. There have been examples even earlier. Look at Carl Asaba; he habitually ripped Stoke's defence a new arsehole playing against us; when he came here, he WAS the arsehole. It has to be more fundamental than the manager and coaching staff. They change regularly, but the problem remains. Maybe a change of ownership would help, but something about the culture smells and I don't know hw we change it. Agree with your post. Many of our players looked decent at other clubs. Come to Stoke and play like they have never even seen, never mind kicked, a football. It is very strange it has happened multiple seasons under different backroom set ups. We obviously need change. But changing manager again would seemingly, historically, make no difference. |
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Post by superjw on Feb 12, 2024 8:53:05 GMT
There seems to be some people who want Pulis back. I think that would a hugely risky appointment. TP has been out of the game for some time now and he failed in his last couple of jobs before his retirement, especially at Sheff Wed where he played a major role in their relegation. I also don't think our current squad are his type of players and I think he would struggle to get anything out of them. He was a great manager for us but times change and his time has gone now. If we really have to go down the ex manager route, I would go for MON until the end of the season. He got us out of trouble once before and was able to hit the ground running. I would then offer him the Technical Director role in the summer. I have to say though that I haven't given up on Schumacher yet but the next 2 games are vitally important for him and us. Yeah even if TP was actively managing now he just wouldn’t have enough time to turn us and this group of players around. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 12, 2024 9:47:02 GMT
What's the lowest a former Prem. clubs fallen?
If things don't drastically change very soon,we will match it.
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Post by deeside2 on Feb 12, 2024 9:50:09 GMT
What's the lowest a former Prem. clubs fallen? If things don't drastically change very soon,we will match it. Isn't it Oldham who are now in the National League ? |
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Post by thebasfordhedgehog on Feb 12, 2024 9:54:25 GMT
What's the lowest a former Prem. clubs fallen? If things don't drastically change very soon,we will match it. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 12, 2024 10:19:01 GMT
There seems to be some people who want Pulis back. I think that would a hugely risky appointment. TP has been out of the game for some time now and he failed in his last couple of jobs before his retirement, especially at Sheff Wed where he played a major role in their relegation. I also don't think our current squad are his type of players and I think he would struggle to get anything out of them. He was a great manager for us but times change and his time has gone now. If we really have to go down the ex manager route, I would go for MON until the end of the season. He got us out of trouble once before and was able to hit the ground running. I would then offer him the Technical Director role in the summer. I have to say though that I haven't given up on Schumacher yet but the next 2 games are vitally important for him and us. Isn't MON back in charge of Northern Ireland? I don't think he left under pretty enough circumstances to even consider coming back here. He took a lot of criticism, some of it warranted, and kind of just disappeared. We was a good bloke though, one who will get looked back on with more fondness than when he left. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 12, 2024 10:46:19 GMT
There seems to be some people who want Pulis back. I think that would a hugely risky appointment. TP has been out of the game for some time now and he failed in his last couple of jobs before his retirement, especially at Sheff Wed where he played a major role in their relegation. I also don't think our current squad are his type of players and I think he would struggle to get anything out of them. He was a great manager for us but times change and his time has gone now. If we really have to go down the ex manager route, I would go for MON until the end of the season. He got us out of trouble once before and was able to hit the ground running. I would then offer him the Technical Director role in the summer. I have to say though that I haven't given up on Schumacher yet but the next 2 games are vitally important for him and us. I think TP's biggest problem at Sheffield Wednesday is that he didn't have the backing of the board like he had at Stoke, and the team were in disarray.... Pretty much like we are now!!! So, with the January transfer window now gone by, there's absolutely no guarantee he would keep us up..... We may just scrape through with a few 0-0 thrillers if he put 11 men behind the ball, in typical TP fashion!!! |
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Post by independent on Feb 12, 2024 11:11:53 GMT
What's the lowest a former Prem. clubs fallen? If things don't drastically change very soon,we will match it. Oldham who aren't even in the EFL. I think that you may be overreacting. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Feb 12, 2024 11:28:45 GMT
What's the lowest a former Prem. clubs fallen? If things don't drastically change very soon,we will match it. Isn't it Oldham who are now in the National League ? Yep Oldham To be fair Oldham and Bradford (also mentioned on this thread) have spent the majority of their time in the lower divisions. Their times in the prem were very much fleeting We on the other hand have spent 62 years in the top flight. Were we to drop to say League 2 it woukd be catestrophic, possibly the biggest downfall ever, especially given the wealth of the owners |
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