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Post by Bera’s Beano on Feb 4, 2024 20:10:53 GMT
Exactly, I can forgive a player for being shit, can’t blame a player we’ve bought for not being good enough. I can’t forgive someone who doesn’t work, these players, apart from a select few, don’t even do the bare minimum. Bottling 50/50s, no press, not chasing longer balls. If you can’t be good, just don’t be bad. But it’s a lost cause with this group I’m afraid. Campbell? Main culprit for sure, but they were all at it all game. Campbell, Cundle, Pearson, Hoever, Rose, Gooch and Wilmot. Honestly, other than Burger and Bae, and hopefully Junior to come back. I can’t think of another player I don’t think has an attitude that must be stinking up the place. Total embarrassments. Again, I don’t mind if you’re not very good, as long as you run through brick walls for the team. Giving 100% every time you cross the white line is literally the bare minimum and should be a given. Edit: actually Thompson is a prime example of a limited player who does give it all despite being given a thankless task and still works hard. He’s not very good but I’d rather 8 of him that the rest.
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Post by insect on Feb 4, 2024 21:44:27 GMT
Have I missed something here. Who said it’s the fans fault !?
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 5, 2024 0:48:38 GMT
Have I missed something here. Who said it’s the fans fault !? Plenty of the fuckwits on here and Twitter mate
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 5, 2024 2:48:39 GMT
Welcome to Professional Football.
Earn the shirt. Or reap the heat.
And I agree with the OP
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Post by tuum on Feb 5, 2024 5:00:55 GMT
It isn’t at all, however, if we are to get properly sucked into a relegation battle we’ll need to get behind them, no matter how shit we think they are. Totally disagree. We did that in 2018 and it had zero effect. The players gave taken the piss for too long, the hierarchy unfit for purpose. Rich owners aren't necessarily good owners. The chairman.....just what has he ever done? Are you advocating pitchforks and revolution? Maybe that is one solution. I prefer to try and nudge the people at the club into gradual change. Jon Coates has moved to a different model during the AN era and then to another slightly different approach 8 weeks ago, which shows he is somewhat flexible.. and maybe listening to people. Perhaps we need to give this some time to develop. Other solutions? Get rid of Tricky and Jared immediately. Not sure that will help us avoid relegation. JC to appoint a CEO (above Tricky or to replace him?). Not sure that will help us avoid relegation. If the players sense discontent and chaos then they may become even less arsed than they are now (apparently). The solution lies where it always has...with the manager. They may not be his players but it is his job to get a tune out of the players he has at his disposal. To do that he needs the support of JC and Tricky and everyone else within the club including the fans. Which he has had as far as I am aware. Everything else is just noise and distraction. The time to make changes (if any) will be close season.. relegated or not.
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Post by Ron on Feb 5, 2024 6:47:20 GMT
There’s been nothing but total apathy for a long time and that seems to be how the fanbase have dealt with what we are seeing. Personally I don’t think we’ve been vocal enough at the ground in expressing our disgust. I guess this is indicative of the modern way, say nothing but beaver away on keyboards like we all do on here and wherever else and vent that way.
People need to be more vocal.
It’s catch 22 though as I guess there’s a need to get behind the players- but like many have said there has to be something to get behind.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 5, 2024 6:55:08 GMT
If anything we're too quiet. By now, years ago the Waddington Suite would be on its 5th 'redecoration' in 5 years.
We're far too soft and we've put up with far too much.
They even had a rapturous round of applause when we were relegated FFS!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 5, 2024 7:18:38 GMT
The only way it’s been the fans fault is we’ve been too patient and let the owners get away with murder despite it being fucking obvious they’re shite.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 5, 2024 8:19:01 GMT
Imo we dont get behind the fans enough especially when we concede it becomes instantly toxic and silent. ,the whole athmosphere,scenery and fans attitude to change stinks.We are so behind the times on the whole match day experience its like something out of the 90s still.We always seem to like to be the underdog ,so what does that say about the mentality of our supporters? This also spills down to the players,so many managers have said we absolutely need the fans on our side,commentators say it and the players,but we need to ask ourselves are we really giving our full support like we ask of our players to give 100% week in week out,I beleive we dont and the players sense it.
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Post by canaladict on Feb 5, 2024 8:48:42 GMT
The only way it’s been the fans fault is we’ve been too patient and let the owners get away with murder despite it being fucking obvious they’re shite. Well put it this way if we played all the rest of our games away, there would be little chance of getting relegated, that should tell you something. We've changed the manager multiple times, at the whim of us fans chucking their toys out of the pram, changed the entire team changed Chairman and the backroom staff. There is only one conclusion left, the same as what happened to the England team a few years ago. The players are terrified of making mistakes at home. Onwards and Upwards
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 5, 2024 8:48:58 GMT
Imo we dont get behind the fans enough especially when we concede it becomes instantly toxic and silent. ,the whole athmosphere,scenery and fans attitude to change stinks.We are so behind the times on the whole match day experience its like something out of the 90s still.We always seem to like to be the underdog ,so what does that say about the mentality of our supporters? This also spills down to the players,so many managers have said we absolutely need the fans on our side,commentators say it and the players,but we need to ask ourselves are we really giving our full support like we ask of our players to give 100% week in week out,I beleive we dont and the players sense it. So the fans weren't on the player's side v Millwall, Ipswich, Birmingham? Sorry you're talking rubbish.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 5, 2024 9:29:17 GMT
Imo we dont get behind the fans enough especially when we concede it becomes instantly toxic and silent. ,the whole athmosphere,scenery and fans attitude to change stinks.We are so behind the times on the whole match day experience its like something out of the 90s still.We always seem to like to be the underdog ,so what does that say about the mentality of our supporters? This also spills down to the players,so many managers have said we absolutely need the fans on our side,commentators say it and the players,but we need to ask ourselves are we really giving our full support like we ask of our players to give 100% week in week out,I beleive we dont and the players sense it. So the fans weren't on the player's side v Millwall, Ipswich, Birmingham? Sorry you're talking rubbish. Ok just my opinion.Id expect people to say that tbh.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 5, 2024 10:09:46 GMT
The only way it’s been the fans fault is we’ve been too patient and let the owners get away with murder despite it being fucking obvious they’re shite. Well put it this way if we played all the rest of our games away, there would be little chance of getting relegated, that should tell you something. We've changed the manager multiple times, at the whim of us fans chucking their toys out of the pram, changed the entire team changed Chairman and the backroom staff. There is only one conclusion left, the same as what happened to the England team a few years ago. The players are terrified of making mistakes at home. Onwards and Upwards The fans are home aren’t an issue. We are patient and have generally stuck with them: There should be riots.
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 5, 2024 10:15:47 GMT
Well put it this way if we played all the rest of our games away, there would be little chance of getting relegated, that should tell you something. We've changed the manager multiple times, at the whim of us fans chucking their toys out of the pram, changed the entire team changed Chairman and the backroom staff. There is only one conclusion left, the same as what happened to the England team a few years ago. The players are terrified of making mistakes at home. Onwards and Upwards The fans are home aren’t an issue. We are patient and have generally stuck with them: There should be riots. The home fans are more than willing to back the team but they do need something to back. There have been small signs of improvement on the pitch which have been vocally supported. The players have to inspire the fans not the other way around.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 5, 2024 10:48:45 GMT
Have I missed something here. Who said it’s the fans fault !? I think it's probably a reference to SS's reply to a question about our home form. He didn't say it was the fans' fault just that the players seemed very tentative in home matches and heads drop when things go against them and it could be because the fan reaction gets to them. I think he did say it was up to them to give the fans something to support but he did say that at Plymouth they used the partisanship (if that's a word, I have, a feeling it isn't) of the fans to their advantage (as did we in our early Premier years)
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Post by pushon on Feb 5, 2024 11:04:54 GMT
Totally disagree. We did that in 2018 and it had zero effect. The players gave taken the piss for too long, the hierarchy unfit for purpose. Rich owners aren't necessarily good owners. The chairman.....just what has he ever done? Are you advocating pitchforks and revolution? Maybe that is one solution. I prefer to try and nudge the people at the club into gradual change. Jon Coates has moved to a different model during the AN era and then to another slightly different approach 8 weeks ago, which shows he is somewhat flexible.. and maybe listening to people. Perhaps we need to give this some time to develop. Other solutions? Get rid of Tricky and Jared immediately. Not sure that will help us avoid relegation. JC to appoint a CEO (above Tricky or to replace him?). Not sure that will help us avoid relegation. If the players sense discontent and chaos then they may become even less arsed than they are now (apparently). The solution lies where it always has...with the manager. They may not be his players but it is his job to get a tune out of the players he has at his disposal. To do that he needs the support of JC and Tricky and everyone else within the club including the fans. Which he has had as far as I am aware. Everything else is just noise and distraction. The time to make changes (if any) will be close season.. relegated or not. Your posts are always well thought out and constructed. But a slight mistake this time. We do not have a First Team Manager anymore. We have a First Team Coach. It may be splitting-hairs but presumably someone else is 'Managing' the situation.
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Post by starkiller on Feb 5, 2024 11:12:12 GMT
Can we please fuck off with this weird notion it's the fan's fault? We won 6 home games in the entirety of last season. 6! The last time we were relegated from the Championship in 97/98 we managed 9. This season, we've won just 4 times at home, scored a league low of 11 goals and 4 of them were on the opening day against a desperately poor Rotherham side. We haven't won at home since Leeds, way back in Autumn in October, a game which we could easily have lost. Since relegation we've been desperately poor at home, seeing the away end celebrating has become the norm. Our home form is an absolute abomination and anyone blaming the fans for being a little tetchy needs just one glance at the stats above. I'm surprised we've still got so many fans turning up to be honest, especially at home. The players have a responsibility to this club, to the manager and most of all to themselves. The fans do the rest if they meet them half way. They don't even meet us 10% of the way. Just get behind the lads, or fuck off down the Vale.
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Post by pushon on Feb 5, 2024 11:18:57 GMT
Imo we dont get behind the fans enough especially when we concede it becomes instantly toxic and silent. ,the whole athmosphere,scenery and fans attitude to change stinks.We are so behind the times on the whole match day experience its like something out of the 90s still.We always seem to like to be the underdog ,so what does that say about the mentality of our supporters? This also spills down to the players,so many managers have said we absolutely need the fans on our side,commentators say it and the players,but we need to ask ourselves are we really giving our full support like we ask of our players to give 100% week in week out,I beleive we dont and the players sense it. Are you suggesting we get a refund for poor 'Onfield' performances? If so I agree with you. We/I (well some of us)spend the entrance fee to see a whole-hearted performance, from both sides, culminating in a Stoke win. To expect us to have to beg for this to be achieved is frankly risible.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 5, 2024 12:30:30 GMT
The fans are home aren’t an issue. We are patient and have generally stuck with them: There should be riots. The home fans are more than willing to back the team but they do need something to back. There have been small signs of improvement on the pitch which have been vocally supported. The players have to inspire the fans not the other way around. We haven’t won a home game since October. And are in the top 5 for most home games lost at home in the last 5 years. Quite frankly anyone blaming the fans for not supporting them is a twat.
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Post by baconburger on Feb 5, 2024 12:41:22 GMT
Can we please fuck off with this weird notion it's the fan's fault? We won 6 home games in the entirety of last season. 6! The last time we were relegated from the Championship in 97/98 we managed 9. This season, we've won just 4 times at home, scored a league low of 11 goals and 4 of them were on the opening day against a desperately poor Rotherham side. We haven't won at home since Leeds, way back in Autumn in October, a game which we could easily have lost. Since relegation we've been desperately poor at home, seeing the away end celebrating has become the norm. Our home form is an absolute abomination and anyone blaming the fans for being a little tetchy needs just one glance at the stats above. I'm surprised we've still got so many fans turning up to be honest, especially at home. The players have a responsibility to this club, to the manager and most of all to themselves. The fans do the rest if they meet them half way. They don't even meet us 10% of the way. Just get behind the lads, or fuck off down the Vale. I’m confused, I thought you fucked off UP the vale?
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Post by pushon on Feb 5, 2024 13:04:37 GMT
Just get behind the lads, or fuck off down the Vale. I’m confused, I thought you fucked off UP the vale? Some people have no sense of direction, my wife being one of them🥴
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Post by Block 26 on Feb 5, 2024 13:06:53 GMT
I’m surprised that we’re still getting 20k down there on a match day, just shows that we have a lot of loyal fans.
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Post by sticky on Feb 5, 2024 16:21:23 GMT
The fans fault🤦🏻♂️ these aren’t 9 year olds playing down the park. If they’re that fragile that they fold under a bit of pressure, they shouldn’t be playing football at this level. Best advice would be to give it 100% effort from the off.. some do, most don’t, how’s that the fans fault?
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Post by mamathestriker on Mar 18, 2024 8:44:19 GMT
I see this reared its ugly head again at the weekend, with a few of the morons who use Twitter to spout their anti-Stoke rhetoric again saying it's the fan's fault.
I'm honestly surprised so many are still turning up. Look at our league home results this season, it's a car crash!
Stoke 4-1 Rotherham (an excellent start) Stoke 1-0 Watford (good steady win) Stoke 0-2 Preston (out fought in the 2nd half) Stoke 1-3 Hull (taken to the cleaners) Stoke 0-1 Southampton (fought hard) Stoke 2-1 Sunderland (much needed win) Stoke 1-0 Leeds (buzzing after this one) Stoke 0-0 Cardiff (wake me up when it's over) Stoke 0-3 Blackburn (no answer to their threats) Stoke 0-1 Sheff Wed (both deserved to lose) Stoke 1-1 Swansea (last minute howler) Stoke 0-0 Millwall (decent performance) Stoke 0-0 Ipswich (good point with 10 men) Stoke 1-2 Brum (how many chances) Stoke 0-5 Leicester (embarrassing) Stoke 1-0 QPR (poor game but welcome 3 points) Stoke 0-1 Coventry (Hoever brain fart) Stoke 2-0 Boro (excellent) Stoke 0-3 Norwich (should have been 5/6-0)
10 games without a goal. A 5-0 defeat, two 3-0s and a 3-1 defeat. NO equalising goal from us. P19 W6 D4 L9. Scored just 14 goals (4 in our first game).
The fans were excellent again on Saturday, until the atmosphere was killed off when we realised we hadn't got any answers.
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Post by biddulphchav on Mar 18, 2024 8:59:56 GMT
‘The fans’ is a bit simplistic. You can’t really group all of them together. What the manager has been saying is spot on, the players should be able to get the fans going through their performances. If they don’t have much ability then they need to get stuck in, that will help.
Saying that, there is a flat atmosphere at a lot of games, and it’s been that way for years. Even in the Prem towards the end it got that way, apart from the Liverpools and Man U’s etc.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 18, 2024 9:16:23 GMT
The first thing to say is its absolutely not the fans fault.
BUT……..let’s stop with the negative songs (“how shit must you be…….”etc.). How this is the first though when we’ve just gone 1-0 up away for example is beyond me?
And cheering ironically when a player gets subbed does my head in, like it or not that player may be needed at a defining moment this season, no good came come from it……
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Post by jhtstokie on Mar 18, 2024 9:19:44 GMT
I see this reared its ugly head again at the weekend, with a few of the morons who use Twitter to spout their anti-Stoke rhetoric again saying it's the fan's fault. I'm honestly surprised so many are still turning up. Look at our league home results this season, it's a car crash! Stoke 4-1 Rotherham (an excellent start) Stoke 1-0 Watford (good steady win) Stoke 0-2 Preston (out fought in the 2nd half) Stoke 1-3 Hull (taken to the cleaners) Stoke 0-1 Southampton (fought hard) Stoke 2-1 Sunderland (much needed win) Stoke 1-0 Leeds (buzzing after this one) Stoke 0-0 Cardiff (wake me up when it's over) Stoke 0-3 Blackburn (no answer to their threats) Stoke 0-1 Sheff Wed (both deserved to lose) Stoke 1-1 Swansea (last minute howler) Stoke 0-0 Millwall (decent performance) Stoke 0-0 Ipswich (good point with 10 men) Stoke 1-2 Brum (how many chances) Stoke 0-5 Leicester (embarrassing) Stoke 1-0 QPR (poor game but welcome 3 points) Stoke 0-1 Coventry (Hoever brain fart) Stoke 2-0 Boro (excellent) Stoke 0-3 Norwich (should have been 5/6-0) 10 games without a goal. A 5-0 defeat, two 3-0s and a 3-1 defeat. NO equalising goal from us. P19 W6 D4 L9. Scored just 14 goals (4 in our first game). The fans were excellent again on Saturday, until the atmosphere was killed off when we realised we hadn't got any answers. We’ve scored the least goals at home in the league to add to that😂
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Post by rowleyscfc on Mar 18, 2024 9:30:41 GMT
The first thing to say is its absolutely not the fans fault. BUT……..let’s stop with the negative songs (“how shit must you be…….”etc.). How this is the first though when we’ve just gone 1-0 up away for example is beyond me? And cheering ironically when a player gets subbed does my head in, like it or not that player may be needed at a defining moment this season, no good came come from it…… Agree 100%, Must be demoralising as fuck
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 18, 2024 9:54:16 GMT
This just keeps being perpetuated, by our own fans. I see it on social media all the time. Players in the squad do it as well with their cupping ears or spectacles celebrations. It's a rotten stand of thought running through the club
I went to a game recently where there was 26000 and despite a bag of shite performance against a team even worse than us, and a defeat, the support stuck behind the players.
It's total nonsense
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Post by mamathestriker on Mar 18, 2024 10:20:24 GMT
The first thing to say is its absolutely not the fans fault. BUT……..let’s stop with the negative songs (“how shit must you be…….”etc.). How this is the first though when we’ve just gone 1-0 up away for example is beyond me? And cheering ironically when a player gets subbed does my head in, like it or not that player may be needed at a defining moment this season, no good came come from it…… Agree 100%, Must be demoralising as fuck Why not work harder to get a move away then? We're no better or worse than any other supporters. Pointing the finger of blame to the supporters is wrong in my opinion.
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