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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 4, 2024 12:14:07 GMT
Can we please fuck off with this weird notion it's the fan's fault?
We won 6 home games in the entirety of last season. 6! The last time we were relegated from the Championship in 97/98 we managed 9.
This season, we've won just 4 times at home, scored a league low of 11 goals and 4 of them were on the opening day against a desperately poor Rotherham side.
We haven't won at home since Leeds, way back in Autumn in October, a game which we could easily have lost.
Since relegation we've been desperately poor at home, seeing the away end celebrating has become the norm.
Our home form is an absolute abomination and anyone blaming the fans for being a little tetchy needs just one glance at the stats above. I'm surprised we've still got so many fans turning up to be honest, especially at home. The players have a responsibility to this club, to the manager and most of all to themselves. The fans do the rest if they meet them half way. They don't even meet us 10% of the way.
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Post by yellowsnowman on Feb 4, 2024 12:19:22 GMT
Can we please fuck off with this weird notion it's the fan's fault? We won 6 home games in the entirety of last season. 6! The last time we were relegated from the Championship in 97/98 we managed 9. This season, we've won just 4 times at home, scored a league low of 11 goals and 4 of them were on the opening day against a desperately poor Rotherham side. We haven't won at home since Leeds, way back in Autumn in October a game which we could easily have lost. Since relegation we've been desperately poor at home, seeing the away end celebrating has become the norm. Our home form is an absolute abomination and anyone blaming the fans for being a little tetchy needs just one glance at the stats above. I'm surprised we've still got so many fans turning up to be honest, especially at home. The players have a responsibility to this club, to the manager and most of all to themselves. The fans do the rest of they meet them half way. They don't even meet us 10% of the way. We deserve a medal! The club dont deserve us at the moment. Well put mama. |
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Feb 4, 2024 12:19:39 GMT
It's only us die hard Stoke fans who are going now but that will change if we dont start to win at home. We cant keep relying on picking points up away from home
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 4, 2024 12:22:56 GMT
It isn’t at all, however, if we are to get properly sucked into a relegation battle we’ll need to get behind them, no matter how shit we think they are.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 4, 2024 12:24:22 GMT
All the players need to do is to ensure that they are battling to their max with every 50-50 and busting a gut to get back into position if their teammates have lost a ball.
If they do that and we lose, fans wouldn’t feel so pissed off.
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 4, 2024 12:26:00 GMT
It isn’t at all, however, if we are to get properly sucked into a relegation battle we’ll need to get behind them, no matter how shit we think they are. The fans absolutely would do that if they saw most of the players busting a gut. The most effort I saw yesterday was when they all took the knee prior to kick off. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 4, 2024 12:32:45 GMT
I can only console myself that my first full season as a Stoke fan was 1984/85. The Holocaust season. Won three games all season (home and away combined), a record low of 17 points, absolutely horrific.
But even then, you felt everyone was giving it their best shot but they just weren’t good enough. More recent shitshows haven’t been like that.
If I can survive 1984/85, I feel like I can survive anything. But somehow the current mess feels worse. Perhaps back then I was young and optimistic, whereas now I’m old and jaded.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 4, 2024 12:35:26 GMT
If anything, we are far too patient.
In return for free buses they get a free pass.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 4, 2024 12:37:15 GMT
It isn’t at all, however, if we are to get properly sucked into a relegation battle we’ll need to get behind them, no matter how shit we think they are. Totally disagree. We did that in 2018 and it had zero effect. The players gave taken the piss for too long, the hierarchy unfit for purpose. Rich owners aren't necessarily good owners. The chairman.....just what has he ever done? |
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 4, 2024 12:37:57 GMT
If anything, we are far too patient. In return for free buses they get a free pass. It's such a bizarre argument to say it's the fans fault isn't it. We turn out week after week to be served dross from players who don't care. |
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Post by superpotter on Feb 4, 2024 12:38:30 GMT
Need to score some goals get us off our seats crash into a few tackles sprints to recover the ball , be brave and give 100%,, not seeing it so what do us fans think when we sit there watching it , I drift off sometimes thinking about what I’m going have for my tea and how to spend my Sun , it works both ways maximum effort from the players and manager brings excellent backing from the fans
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 4, 2024 12:39:24 GMT
It isn’t at all, however, if we are to get properly sucked into a relegation battle we’ll need to get behind them, no matter how shit we think they are. Totally disagree. We did that in 2018 and it had zero effect. The players gave taken the piss for too long, the hierarchy unfit for purpose. Rich owners aren't necessarily good owners. The chairman.....just what has he ever done? Fair enough, I’m not saying happy clap them to make them feel better but a zero confidence squad + an angry fan base will only result in one thing. |
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Post by jay1610 on Feb 4, 2024 12:42:25 GMT
Totally disagree. We did that in 2018 and it had zero effect. The players gave taken the piss for too long, the hierarchy unfit for purpose. Rich owners aren't necessarily good owners. The chairman.....just what has he ever done? Fair enough, I’m not saying happy clap them to make them feel better but a zero confidence squad + an angry fan base will only result in one thing. I don’t think we do have an angry fan base? That’s part of the issue for me. We have an apathetic, disenfranchised, bored fanbase. It’s ultimately on the players and manager to snap us out of that. You can’t fake passion in the stands. Some half-arsed singing will do nothing, we’ll respond how we always do when we see something on the pitch. The last 30 mins against Leeds, or much of the game against Ipswich, didn’t need orchestrating or a prior rallying cry, we saw the players rise to the occasion for once. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 12:46:15 GMT
If anything, we are far too patient. In return for free buses they get a free pass. This needs to go on a t-shirt. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 4, 2024 12:54:16 GMT
I can imagine things going nasty like the Birmingham 0-7 game years ago, with people on the pitch
Maybe the players need a little fear? Maybe it'll get them going?
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Post by glpotter on Feb 4, 2024 12:55:37 GMT
The fans , especially the ones that travel away are the only good thing about the club in the last 5 years.
Anyone who blames the fans for this utter shit needs sectioning
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Post by glpotter on Feb 4, 2024 12:58:18 GMT
It isn’t at all, however, if we are to get properly sucked into a relegation battle we’ll need to get behind them, no matter how shit we think they are. I refuse to get behind players who don’t give their all for the club or even just themselves. They need to have some pride at least. In the first season in the premier league the fans were outstanding because the players gave a shit and tried Give the fans something and they will respond, it’s that simple |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Feb 4, 2024 12:58:26 GMT
So who is blaming the fans? I haven’t heard anything like that since Rowett- have just woken up after a long long sleep - Rowetts gone!
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Post by GrahamHyde on Feb 4, 2024 13:00:29 GMT
Fair enough, I’m not saying happy clap them to make them feel better but a zero confidence squad + an angry fan base will only result in one thing. I don’t think we do have an angry fan base? That’s part of the issue for me. We have an apathetic, disenfranchised, bored fanbase. It’s ultimately on the players and manager to snap us out of that. You can’t fake passion in the stands. Some half-arsed singing will do nothing, we’ll respond how we always do when we see something on the pitch. The last 30 mins against Leeds, or much of the game against Ipswich, didn’t need orchestrating or a prior rallying cry, we saw the players rise to the occasion for once. Those three words sum it up 100%. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 4, 2024 13:03:38 GMT
Fair enough, I’m not saying happy clap them to make them feel better but a zero confidence squad + an angry fan base will only result in one thing. I don’t think we do have an angry fan base? That’s part of the issue for me. We have an apathetic, disenfranchised, bored fanbase. It’s ultimately on the players and manager to snap us out of that. You can’t fake passion in the stands. Some half-arsed singing will do nothing, we’ll respond how we always do when we see something on the pitch. The last 30 mins against Leeds, or much of the game against Ipswich, didn’t need orchestrating or a prior rallying cry, we saw the players rise to the occasion for once. Like I say, I’m not suggesting we just sit there happily clapping whatever is in front of us. I only know that turning up and booing and moaning & groaning from minute one isn’t going to get us out of this. And that’s not blaming us for anything, I completely get it. It’ll just get toxic quickly and only help the opposition and we’ll get relegated. The players absolutely need to give us something - even if it’s an early big tackle or block or just something to show they care. The manager needs to set up the way he said he would and get us on the front foot. Running scared from it and abandoning it will see him do a Nathan Jones and worse. Maybe going down is something we need. It’s definitely something we deserve given how badly it’s been run for the last 7/8 years. But I’d hate it as a supporter in the short term. Long term who knows? But this cycle can’t continue. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 4, 2024 13:04:17 GMT
Need to score some goals get us off our seats crash into a few tackles sprints to recover the ball , be brave and give 100%,, not seeing it so what do us fans think when we sit there watching it , I drift off sometimes thinking about what I’m going have for my tea and how to spend my Sun , it works both ways maximum effort from the players and manager brings excellent backing from the fans Yes. Even if i knew i was playing shit I'd remember im supposed to be a pro footballer. And I'm here to give my absolute best for the people paying and supporting me. So as a result even though I know im having a bad day I would triple my efforts to get the basics done. Busting a gut to cover defensively and I'd be making sure I am like a rash on the opposition looking to break up play. Too many of our players when not playing well almost seem to slip down into 2nd gear. Almost like they are waiting till they play well again and will then start making an effort again. The mentality in the club just seems all to cock. The very ethic and DNA of the club should be hard work. Very hard work. Every team that pulls up on our car park on a satdee afternoon should be getting off that bus thinking oh shit this is going to be 95mins of hell. They are currently turning up looking for an easy 3 away points. Its fucking criminal. If I was JC I'd of had them all in today for an absolute rollicking and I'd be explaining to them what it should mean to play for one of the worlds oldest football clubs. |
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Post by superpotter on Feb 4, 2024 13:12:05 GMT
At the moment Jun ho gives maximum never stops trying working doesn’t always have end product but at the end of the game he’s given everything, there maybe a couple more burger, junior , the young lads also when they get there minutes not many others if everyone gave as much as Junho the fans would back the team win lose or draw .
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 4, 2024 13:24:02 GMT
All the players need to do is to ensure that they are battling to their max with every 50-50 and busting a gut to get back into position if their teammates have lost a ball. If they do that and we lose, fans wouldn’t feel so pissed off. One of the reasons we’re so shit is that players are frequently bottling 50/50 challenges and it does my head in. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 4, 2024 13:31:10 GMT
All the players need to do is to ensure that they are battling to their max with every 50-50 and busting a gut to get back into position if their teammates have lost a ball. If they do that and we lose, fans wouldn’t feel so pissed off. One of the reasons we’re so shit is that players are frequently bottling 50/50 challenges and it does my head in. That one that bounced in between their centre backs and was about 60/40 in Campbell’s favour and he took a step backwards instead. Unforgivable. Win that and there’s a chance to have a shot and he shat out. |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 4, 2024 13:39:20 GMT
One of the reasons we’re so shit is that players are frequently bottling 50/50 challenges and it does my head in. That one that bounced in between their centre backs and was about 60/40 in Campbell’s favour and he took a step backwards instead. Unforgivable. Win that and there’s a chance to have a shot and he shat out. Yeah and there was another incident with Campbell that infuriated me as well, ball in the air and it’s a 50/50 if he goes for it but he completely bottles it and their player wins it unchallenged. |
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Feb 4, 2024 13:41:11 GMT
All the players need to do is to ensure that they are battling to their max with every 50-50 and busting a gut to get back into position if their teammates have lost a ball. If they do that and we lose, fans wouldn’t feel so pissed off. One of the reasons we’re so shit is that players are frequently bottling 50/50 challenges and it does my head in. Exactly, I can forgive a player for being shit, can’t blame a player we’ve bought for not being good enough. I can’t forgive someone who doesn’t work, these players, apart from a select few, don’t even do the bare minimum. Bottling 50/50s, no press, not chasing longer balls. If you can’t be good, just don’t be bad. But it’s a lost cause with this group I’m afraid. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 4, 2024 13:43:58 GMT
That one that bounced in between their centre backs and was about 60/40 in Campbell’s favour and he took a step backwards instead. Unforgivable. Win that and there’s a chance to have a shot and he shat out. Yeah and there was another incident with Campbell that infuriated me as well, ball in the air and it’s a 50/50 if he goes for it but he completely bottles it and their player wins it unchallenged. It might be the same one mate. I don’t remember it happening twice and that sounds like the one I was talking about. Bounced in between the two centre backs and he just left it for them despite being favourite to get it. Any other striker against us would pounced and probably managed to win it and take a shot. |
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Post by pushon on Feb 4, 2024 14:03:50 GMT
Can we please fuck off with this weird notion it's the fan's fault? We won 6 home games in the entirety of last season. 6! The last time we were relegated from the Championship in 97/98 we managed 9. This season, we've won just 4 times at home, scored a league low of 11 goals and 4 of them were on the opening day against a desperately poor Rotherham side. We haven't won at home since Leeds, way back in Autumn in October, a game which we could easily have lost. Since relegation we've been desperately poor at home, seeing the away end celebrating has become the norm. Our home form is an absolute abomination and anyone blaming the fans for being a little tetchy needs just one glance at the stats above. I'm surprised we've still got so many fans turning up to be honest, especially at home. The players have a responsibility to this club, to the manager and most of all to themselves. The fans do the rest if they meet them half way. They don't even meet us 10% of the way.#xcellent post. |
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Post by pushon on Feb 4, 2024 14:08:08 GMT
One of the reasons we’re so shit is that players are frequently bottling 50/50 challenges and it does my head in. Exactly, I can forgive a player for being shit, can’t blame a player we’ve bought for not being good enough. I can’t forgive someone who doesn’t work, these players, apart from a select few, don’t even do the bare minimum. Bottling 50/50s, no press, not chasing longer balls. If you can’t be good, just don’t be bad. But it’s a lost cause with this group I’m afraid. Campbell? |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 4, 2024 14:14:14 GMT
I think some blame lies with us.
We expect too much.
We expect them to go out and try for 90+ minutes every week, sometimes twice a week (very occasionally 3 times a week).
We expect them to leave everything on the pitch.
We expect them to do the basics of passing to each other and shooting at the goal, tackling the other team and competing.
It’s too much, they’ve got training as well……
I can forgive talent, especially when the other team are better (as Leicester were) but the lack of effort and application isn’t good enough. They all seem to drop their heads together as a collective and switch off at the same time. Do the basics well and we’ll get results in this league.
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