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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 13:28:35 GMT
I was surprised a few people disagreed with me when I said I hated managers immediately signing ex-players on the Cundle thread. The situation has turned out to be exactly as I expected so far, almost a carbon copy of the Johnson/Neil relationship. If he starts against Blackburn then it's a big concern over Schuey, especially after that rancid team selection last week. Fair play, you called that right and I make you right. If Cundle plays off the back of his non performances so far then it does indeed raise some rather awkward questions. None more so than "You said he knew how you play, so why isn't he playing?" |
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 7, 2024 13:33:52 GMT
The thing with Cundle is he was supposed to come in and be able to hit the ground running, he may turn out to be a good player but so far we've looked worse since he came in.
It may just be a coincidence and I'm by no means a fan of Baker, he can slow the game down too much at times and his passing isn't great but he does have that knack of scoring goals.
Something this side lacks completely, there's just no history of goals throughout the squad except for Mmaee whose been banished.
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Post by emretezzy on Feb 7, 2024 13:37:08 GMT
The thing with Cundle is he was supposed to come in and be able to hit the ground running, he may turn out to be a good player but so far we've looked worse since he came in. It may just be a coincidence and I'm by no means a fan of Baker, he can slow the game down too much at times and his passing isn't great but he does have that knack of scoring goals. Something this side lacks completely, there's just no history of goals throughout the squad except for Mmaee whose been banished. And he isn't the size of a frog. You would fancy your chances every day of the week against Cundle in this league if your putting him predominantly on the back foot. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 7, 2024 13:38:10 GMT
I was surprised a few people disagreed with me when I said I hated managers immediately signing ex-players on the Cundle thread. The situation has turned out to be exactly as I expected so far, almost a carbon copy of the Johnson/Neil relationship. If he starts against Blackburn then it's a big concern over Schuey, especially after that rancid team selection last week. Fair play, you called that right and I make you right. If Cundle plays off the back of his non performances so far then it does indeed raise some rather awkward questions. None more so than "You said he knew how you play, so why isn't he playing?" I honestly wish I wasn't but I just see it as incredibly naïve to think what works at one club is going to work at another, especially in the Championship. With all the resources available to Stoke it also shows a complete lack of imagination. I'm reluctant to criticise Ricky, John and Jared, mainly because I don't know the facts around what they actually do and don't do, though I'd like to think a DoF with adequate leadership skills would tell Schuey he was absolutely not signing one of his ex-Plymouth players. Bae's final ball has been average at best all season but he's streets ahead of Cundle in what I've seen so far. Laurent even has the odd game where he looks like a world-beater and I just can't see what Cundle offers at all. |
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Post by abudhabistokie82 on Feb 7, 2024 13:42:57 GMT
How about trying a 4-1-3-2
Iverson
Junior Wilmot Rose Gooch
Burger
Million Bae Haks/cundle
Campbell Ennis
Might get a better return out of cundle out wide possibly
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Post by idle on Feb 7, 2024 13:44:55 GMT
Fair play, you called that right and I make you right. If Cundle plays off the back of his non performances so far then it does indeed raise some rather awkward questions. None more so than "You said he knew how you play, so why isn't he playing?" I honestly wish I wasn't but I just see it as incredibly naïve to think what works at one club is going to work at another, especially in the Championship. With all the resources available to Stoke it also shows a complete lack of imagination. I'm reluctant to criticise Ricky, John and Jared, mainly because I don't know the facts around what they actually do and don't do, though I'd like to think a DoF with adequate leadership skills would tell Schuey he was absolutely not signing one of his ex-Plymouth players. Bae's final ball has been average at best all season but he's streets ahead of Cundle in what I've seen so far. Laurent even has the odd game where he looks like a world-beater and I just can't see what Cundle offers at all. About 1 in 7 yeah. Cundle has had 3. At a new club with players he's never seen before. I'll give him a few more games because deciding if he's shit. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 7, 2024 13:51:09 GMT
I honestly wish I wasn't but I just see it as incredibly naïve to think what works at one club is going to work at another, especially in the Championship. With all the resources available to Stoke it also shows a complete lack of imagination. I'm reluctant to criticise Ricky, John and Jared, mainly because I don't know the facts around what they actually do and don't do, though I'd like to think a DoF with adequate leadership skills would tell Schuey he was absolutely not signing one of his ex-Plymouth players. Bae's final ball has been average at best all season but he's streets ahead of Cundle in what I've seen so far. Laurent even has the odd game where he looks like a world-beater and I just can't see what Cundle offers at all. About 1 in 7 yeah. Cundle has had 3. At a new club with players he's never seen before. I'll give him a few more games because deciding if he's shit. I haven't said he was shit. |
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Post by idle on Feb 7, 2024 14:15:40 GMT
About 1 in 7 yeah. Cundle has had 3. At a new club with players he's never seen before. I'll give him a few more games because deciding if he's shit. I haven't said he was shit. I didn't say you have, but if we drop him now he'll never get the chance to shine and we should just send him back. Also, I agree Bae is miles better at the moment, but Baker isn't, and neither is Johnson. Those two are his main competitiors in the no.8 role |
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Post by jokker on Feb 7, 2024 14:16:15 GMT
I was surprised a few people disagreed with me when I said I hated managers immediately signing ex-players on the Cundle thread. The situation has turned out to be exactly as I expected so far, almost a carbon copy of the Johnson/Neil relationship. If he starts against Blackburn then it's a big concern over Schuey, especially after that rancid team selection last week. Fair play, you called that right and I make you right. If Cundle plays off the back of his non performances so far then it does indeed raise some rather awkward questions. None more so than "You said he knew how you play, so why isn't he playing?" What happpeeneed to 'give him (SS) time to build his team with his own players' and ' give him (JC) time to settle' ? |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 7, 2024 15:39:53 GMT
Fair play, you called that right and I make you right. If Cundle plays off the back of his non performances so far then it does indeed raise some rather awkward questions. None more so than "You said he knew how you play, so why isn't he playing?" I honestly wish I wasn't but I just see it as incredibly naïve to think what works at one club is going to work at another, especially in the Championship. With all the resources available to Stoke it also shows a complete lack of imagination. I'm reluctant to criticise Ricky, John and Jared, mainly because I don't know the facts around what they actually do and don't do, though I'd like to think a DoF with adequate leadership skills would tell Schuey he was absolutely not signing one of his ex-Plymouth players. Bae's final ball has been average at best all season but he's streets ahead of Cundle in what I've seen so far. Laurent even has the odd game where he looks like a world-beater and I just can't see what Cundle offers at all. Are you mad? The last thing Martin should be doing is telling Schumacher who he can and can't have in his squad. Martin isn't a football man - he's there to make sure the club is run properly as a business. The only way he should (and does) have a say on footballing matters is whether we can afford a player or whether the player is a financial liability or not. No way should he have said to Schumacher he can't have him on footballing grounds. The ultimate responsibility for transfers rests with Schumacher - and so it should. He chooses how the team sets up, how it plays and who he needs to make it work. If Martin has the authority you suggest neither Cundle nor Ennis would have been signed. Neither are a financial problem so he did his job and signed them off. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 7, 2024 15:40:52 GMT
Fair play, you called that right and I make you right. If Cundle plays off the back of his non performances so far then it does indeed raise some rather awkward questions. None more so than "You said he knew how you play, so why isn't he playing?" What happpeeneed to 'give him (SS) time to build his team with his own players' and ' give him (JC) time to settle' ? We've been giving people time for 6 long years. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 15:43:30 GMT
Then if he’s not effective and doesn’t gel with the team, why play him? Because he plays the way the manager want us to? It's the others that need to adapt, it's their job! It’s the manager’s job to get results. There is simply no point in playing ineffective players. You play players to their strengths and currently, Cundle’s strengths aren’t helping the team get goals. In the last two games, our midfield has lost every 50-50. Cundle has contributed to that as much as anyone else. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 7, 2024 15:50:15 GMT
Because he plays the way the manager want us to? It's the others that need to adapt, it's their job! It’s the manager’s job to get results. There is simply no point in playing ineffective players. You play players to their strengths and currently, Cundle’s strengths aren’t helping the team get goals. Schumacher is adapting the team to play in a way that he has spent 4+ months trying to get Cundle to play. When he left Cundle was a fixture in his team. Cundle isn't the problem. The problem is getting the rest of the team to catch up with where Cundle is at in terms of understanding the game plan. |
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 7, 2024 15:55:39 GMT
Schumacher is adapting the team to play in a way that he has spent 4+ months trying to get Cundle to play. When he left Cundle was a fixture in his team.
Cundle isn't the problem. The problem is getting the rest of the team to catch up with where Cundle is at in terms of understanding the game plan.
This is spot on the issue, under lapping full backs required much flexibility and understanding by a large portion of the team, seemingly alot aren't getting it..yet..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 15:56:59 GMT
It’s the manager’s job to get results. There is simply no point in playing ineffective players. You play players to their strengths and currently, Cundle’s strengths aren’t helping the team get goals. Schumacher is adapting the team to play in a way that he has spent 4+ months trying to get Cundle to play. When he left Cundle was a fixture in his team. Cundle isn't the problem. The problem is getting the rest of the team to catch up with where Cundle is at in terms of understanding the game plan. And do we have time for that? Is that the best use of time? Is dicking around the best thing to be doing at this moment? Or should we simply use a player whose averaging about 1 in 4 for us in the league from midfield already and have Cundle rotate with Bae (who is a much more like for like replacement). Baker has scored two for us already this season. It makes him one of our top scorers 😂. Use him every game between now and the end of the season and he’ll likely score 3-4 more. Is Cundle going to get a 1:4 for Stoke? I haven’t seen anything yet to suggest that he will. That is, apart from running into no man’s land when a pass isn’t on. |
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Post by jokker on Feb 7, 2024 15:57:35 GMT
What happpeeneed to 'give him (SS) time to build his team with his own players' and ' give him (JC) time to settle' ? We've been giving people time for 6 long years. And so a man who's been here for six weeks has to ppy for other's six years of stupidity...? |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 7, 2024 15:58:39 GMT
How about trying a 4-1-3-2 Iverson Junior Wilmot Rose Gooch Burger Million Bae Haks/cundle Campbell Ennis Might get a better return out of cundle out wide possibly I said earlier there are too many weaknesses in the squad, In that 11 there is Wilmot,Rose,Haks/Cundle & Campbell,even Gooch depending on where you play him. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 7, 2024 15:59:35 GMT
It’s the manager’s job to get results. There is simply no point in playing ineffective players. You play players to their strengths and currently, Cundle’s strengths aren’t helping the team get goals. Schumacher is adapting the team to play in a way that he has spent 4+ months trying to get Cundle to play. When he left Cundle was a fixture in his team. Cundle isn't the problem. The problem is getting the rest of the team to catch up with where Cundle is at in terms of understanding the game plan. Behave. Are you saying the rest of the team can’t catch up with the SS masterplan. Ok cundle has worked with him longer, but you make out that SS has some complex elaborate plan that no one can understand quickly. It’s football not chess |
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 7, 2024 16:00:07 GMT
Fair play, you called that right and I make you right. If Cundle plays off the back of his non performances so far then it does indeed raise some rather awkward questions. None more so than "You said he knew how you play, so why isn't he playing?" I honestly wish I wasn't but I just see it as incredibly naïve to think what works at one club is going to work at another, especially in the Championship. With all the resources available to Stoke it also shows a complete lack of imagination. I'm reluctant to criticise Ricky, John and Jared, mainly because I don't know the facts around what they actually do and don't do, though I'd like to think a DoF with adequate leadership skills would tell Schuey he was absolutely not signing one of his ex-Plymouth players. Bae's final ball has been average at best all season but he's streets ahead of Cundle in what I've seen so far. Laurent even has the odd game where he looks like a world-beater and I just can't see what Cundle offers at all. I think this might be where Cundle needs to be given time. At Plymouth, Cundle had the right blend of players around him to exploit his energy, dynamism and ability to make things happen. At Stoke, he is finding his feet more. Yes, Baker probably seems a better option because he is stronger and takes a better shot, but we have already seen that Cundle drives play forward a lot more, and this is what Schuey is trying to build in his side. We just need more pace in the team to allow Cundle's strengths to stand out more, and I hope this is what Million and Ennis will bring. Ironically, the midfield we played in the Leicester drubbing is the one that could fit us best if we get a forward line that can carry the momentum initiated from the midfield three. A full throttle Bae and Cundle as the No 8s orchestrated by Burger could potentially be a match for anyone. Harness that with a (fit) Ennis and Million (carrying over his Holland form), and we are looking a lot better. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 7, 2024 16:01:48 GMT
We've been giving people time for 6 long years. And so a man who's been here for six weeks has to ppy for other's six years of stupidity...? No but would it be too much for us as fans to expect somebody to come in and hit the ground running? |
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Post by TheMmaeestro on Feb 7, 2024 16:22:57 GMT
JDT set to leave
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 7, 2024 16:27:49 GMT
Tomasson off then.
Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing for us really?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 7, 2024 16:35:08 GMT
Schumacher is adapting the team to play in a way that he has spent 4+ months trying to get Cundle to play. When he left Cundle was a fixture in his team. Cundle isn't the problem. The problem is getting the rest of the team to catch up with where Cundle is at in terms of understanding the game plan. Behave. Are you saying the rest of the team can’t catch up with the SS masterplan. Ok cundle has worked with him longer, but you make out that SS has some complex elaborate plan that no one can understand quickly. It’s football not chess Its nearer to chess than it was in the 1980s. If you think teams can just change direction like that you really don't get where football is these days. There are way more ways of setting up teams to play and it takes longer to get teams to play the way a manager wants to play. You can argue Schumacher should build on what the team have been doing and for the first few games he did. He's clearly decided to go for his way of playing and unsurprisingly it isn't coming off. So what does he do? Grind it out with a style of play he doesn't believe in or stick by his principles? Looks to me like he's going to stick by his principles and we will either shoot up the league or get relegated. And if we get relegated it will be because the rest of the team can't get on Cundle's wavelength because Cundle is the one tuned in to the right channel. But again it isn't Cundle that will take us down it's because Schumacher will have made the wrong call in changing the style of play mid season. Which is hard to do. Behave. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 7, 2024 16:36:44 GMT
And so a man who's been here for six weeks has to ppy for other's six years of stupidity...? No but would it be too much for us as fans to expect somebody to come in and hit the ground running? Yes it would. Because fans haven't got a clue how to run a professional football club. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 7, 2024 16:42:43 GMT
They seem to be denying it for the moment.. Be a surprise if he made it to the weekend though
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 7, 2024 16:43:02 GMT
Tomasson off then. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing for us really? I expect it's a good thing, as JDT isn't a bad manager getting sacked but a good manager who has had enough of the Board's lack of support and incompetence. Their players will be pretty demotivated at losing him. This couldn't be a better time to be facing them given our own form. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 7, 2024 16:43:27 GMT
Edit - FM beat me too it.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 7, 2024 16:54:34 GMT
Behave. Are you saying the rest of the team can’t catch up with the SS masterplan. Ok cundle has worked with him longer, but you make out that SS has some complex elaborate plan that no one can understand quickly. It’s football not chess Its nearer to chess than it was in the 1980s. If you think teams can just change direction like that you really don't get where football is these days. There are way more ways of setting up teams to play and it takes longer to get teams to play the way a manager wants to play. You can argue Schumacher should build on what the team have been doing and for the first few games he did. He's clearly decided to go for his way of playing and unsurprisingly it isn't coming off. So what does he do? Grind it out with a style of play he doesn't believe in or stick by his principles? Looks to me like he's going to stick by his principles and we will either shoot up the league or get relegated. And if we get relegated it will be because the rest of the team can't get on Cundle's wavelength because Cundle is the one tuned in to the right channel. But again it isn't Cundle that will take us down it's because Schumacher will have made the wrong call in changing the style of play mid season. Which is hard to do. Behave. I’m not having that, I know footballers aren’t always the brightest but please, if you can’t understand a methodology in four weeks you never will. Yes there’s learning time, Yes it’s more complex, yes game-plans have developed but It’s not rocket science, despite what you’re eluding to. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 7, 2024 16:55:25 GMT
They seem to be denying it for the moment.. Be a surprise if he made it to the weekend though He’ll be gone in time for the SCFC charity bus on Saturday. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 16:56:23 GMT
Fair play, you called that right and I make you right. If Cundle plays off the back of his non performances so far then it does indeed raise some rather awkward questions. None more so than "You said he knew how you play, so why isn't he playing?" What happpeeneed to 'give him (SS) time to build his team with his own players' and ' give him (JC) time to settle' ? I like the cut of his jib but sadly we live in a results driven world, where if things go wrong over the next few weeks we'll be a virtual certainty for League One. Is it SSs fault? Of course not but that's the nature of the beast I'm afraid. He needs wins and fast. Hopefully two coming on Saturday and Wednesday. |
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