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Post by premieraj on Aug 20, 2024 19:26:38 GMT
I’m sure it’s probably click bait?
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Post by Marc01 on Aug 20, 2024 20:19:08 GMT
If we start selling players like Manhoaf,then Walters & SS both need sacking.You ain't going to improve if we sell our best players. We need to build around our best players. We signed Million for something like £3m. If we sell him for £15m, in theory, what's stopping us signing a handful of players who are equally as good as him for £3 to 5m each? That's exactly how Brighton and Brentford have got to the level they have.Our current problem is that we haven't got enough wriggle room to buy enough good players. The only way we can really do it is to sell the assets we have for much more than we paid for them, then re-invest in more high potential players. Otherwise we're scratching around in the £1m to £2m market and hoping we strike gold. I don't want to see him go, but if Leeds offer us big money and we have a replacement lined up... In 2011, when we reached the Cup Final and beat Brighton in the process, they were busy winning League One. It took them six more seasons to reach the PL and that promotion appears to have been founded on good management of Chris Hughton and signing and retaining good players, rather than a trend of selling players for big fees. The majority of Brighton’s big sales have been in their six years since promotion to the PL in 2016/17. According to this, of 45 players they’ve sold for 1,000,000 euros or more, one of them was Mark Lawrenson in the 80’s and 35 have been since reaching the PL. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/brighton-amp-hove-albion/rekordabgaenge/verein/1237They had only five sales over a million euros during their Championship stint. Two of these for 1.5 million euros each in their first two years in the Championship. Then three more totalling 16.5 million euros in the next two years (11 million euros profit). They didn’t bring in a single transfer fee in the next two years. Players in at the start of the promotion season included frees such as Sidwell from Stoke and Murray from Palace. Since Brentford adopted their model in 2012, only they appear have been promoted to the PL using that model or anything similar, other than those clubs selling with the added benefit of parachute payments. I doubt that Stoke will succeed in getting back to the PL without very good management and retaining their better players, unless the selling fees are top level and there’s really effective replacements lined up. The equivalent of selling Danny Higginbottom at the start of the promotion season for a ten fold profit whilst signing really good experienced players and the likes of Shawcross. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2024 20:20:37 GMT
We signed Million for something like £3m. If we sell him for £15m, in theory, what's stopping us signing a handful of players who are equally as good as him for £3 to 5m each? That's exactly how Brighton and Brentford have got to the level they have.Our current problem is that we haven't got enough wriggle room to buy enough good players. The only way we can really do it is to sell the assets we have for much more than we paid for them, then re-invest in more high potential players. Otherwise we're scratching around in the £1m to £2m market and hoping we strike gold. I don't want to see him go, but if Leeds offer us big money and we have a replacement lined up... In 2011, when we reached the Cup Final and beat Brighton in the process, they were busy winning League One. It took them six more seasons to reach the PL and that promotion appears to have been founded on good management of Chris Hughton and signing and retaining good players, rather than a trend of selling players for big fees. The majority of Brighton’s big sales have been in their six years since promotion to the PL in 2016/17. According to this, of 45 players they’ve sold for 1,000,000 euros or more, one of them was Mark Lawrenson in the 80’s and 35 have been since reaching the PL. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/brighton-amp-hove-albion/rekordabgaenge/verein/1237They had only five sales over a million euros during their Championship stint. Two of these for 1.5 million euros each in their first two years in the Championship. Then three more totalling 16.5 million euros in the next two years (11 million euros profit). They didn’t bring in a single transfer fee in the next two years. Players in at the start of the promotion season included frees such as Sidwell from Stoke and Murray from Palace. Since Brentford their model in 2012, only they appear have been promoted to the PL using that model or anything similar, other than those clubs selling with the added benefit of parachute payments. I doubt that Stoke will succeed in getting back to the PL without very good management and retaining their better players, unless the selling fees are top level and there’s really effective replacements lined up. The equivalent of selling Danny Higginbottom at the start of the promotion season for a ten fold profit. Cracking post mate |
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Post by a on Aug 20, 2024 20:26:28 GMT
We’ve shown, quite a lot, that we are far from competitive in the market. We’re closer to being hopeless than competitive Who was the last player we lost a significant amount of money on?? Vokes, Ince, Afobe? There’s been plenty to be honest |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 20, 2024 20:31:18 GMT
Who was the last player we lost a significant amount of money on?? Vokes, Ince, Afobe? There’s been plenty to be honest My point exactly you can't think of a single one we've bought since the start of the MON era. I'm not sure there are too many clubs that spend money that would struggle to think of one or several in the same timeframe |
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Post by a on Aug 20, 2024 20:35:41 GMT
Vokes, Ince, Afobe? There’s been plenty to be honest My point exactly you can't think of a single one we've bought since the start of the MON era. I'm not sure there are too many clubs that spend money that would struggle to think of one or several in the same timeframe That wasn’t the question though |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 20, 2024 20:39:39 GMT
My point exactly you can't think of a single one we've bought since the start of the MON era. I'm not sure there are too many clubs that spend money that would struggle to think of one or several in the same timeframe That wasn’t the question though The question was posed to make people think and realise how well we've actually done in the market over that period but I had to spell it out for you. |
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Post by a on Aug 20, 2024 22:06:11 GMT
That wasn’t the question though The question was posed to make people think and realise how well we've actually done in the market over that period but I had to spell it out for you. Context is king. Sorry I didn’t read between the lines about how you meant very recent past 😂 seems so obvious now 😘 |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 20, 2024 22:24:59 GMT
Obviously if there is an offer of £15m, business wise it's great, timing is awful if he goes this window, so not sure what we would bring in. I imagine teams who make this work have a plan and decent recruitment. If we have another season like the past few it will be really bleak. So if he does go, just for once we had better have a plan. We went into this season really needing a striker and so far found one who doesn't score many and gets injured so forgive me if confidence is low.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 20, 2024 23:09:07 GMT
www.teamtalk.com/leeds-united/sources-top-target-advanced-talks-rival-marseille-move-two-forward-alternatives-emergeThe Whites will have to pay significant money to prise Manhoef away from Stoke, however. The Potters value the Dutchman at over £10m, and they hope this price tag will put Leeds off. Leeds are eyeing a double deal for Manhoef and Burnley ace Manuel Benson, too. In a boost for the West Yorkshire side, TEAMtalk can reveal that Benson is happy to leave Burnley and is expected to join a new club before the transfer deadline, with Daniel Farke’s side firmly in the mix. Although, Leeds have yet to make a formal approach to snap up the 27-year-old. Leeds are prioritising the improvement of the winger and No 10 positions. They feel that by adding Manhoef and Benson to their squad – plus the versatility of some of their existing forwards – they will have a strong enough attack to get into the play-off places or better. We cannot afford to lose Manhoef because he’s the best forward we have by quite a bit. If we spread the 10 million to fill gaps in the squad we’ll end up with more bog standard mid-table championship players that will take us nowhere. Junho and Manhoef should be on the “hands off” list. |
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Post by telfordstokie on Aug 21, 2024 4:51:20 GMT
Unfortunately can see this deal happening - Leeds need wide forwards, they’ve lost out on other targets and have lots to spend after all their sales. You’d think Manhoef would want the move and we’d struggle to turn down £10m to £15m. Hope we have a strong idea on a replacement because we might well need one.
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 21, 2024 5:42:41 GMT
Unfortunately can see this deal happening - Leeds need wide forwards, they’ve lost out on other targets and have lots to spend after all their sales. You’d think Manhoef would want the move and we’d struggle to turn down £10m to £15m. Hope we have a strong idea on a replacement because we might well need one. Leeds are massively in debt which is giving me encouragement |
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 21, 2024 6:04:21 GMT
Unfortunately can see this deal happening - Leeds need wide forwards, they’ve lost out on other targets and have lots to spend after all their sales. You’d think Manhoef would want the move and we’d struggle to turn down £10m to £15m. Hope we have a strong idea on a replacement because we might well need one. Leeds are massively in debt which is giving me encouragement Were** Rutter, Gray, Summerville well over 100m made this summer. |
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Post by telfordstokie on Aug 21, 2024 6:37:29 GMT
Unfortunately can see this deal happening - Leeds need wide forwards, they’ve lost out on other targets and have lots to spend after all their sales. You’d think Manhoef would want the move and we’d struggle to turn down £10m to £15m. Hope we have a strong idea on a replacement because we might well need one. Leeds are massively in debt which is giving me encouragement If they had enough to go after Rowe from Norwich though, they can presumably afford a deal for Million if they want to pursue it. |
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Post by george2again on Aug 21, 2024 6:45:24 GMT
Leeds are massively in debt which is giving me encouragement Were** Rutter, Gray, Summerville well over 100m made this summer. 190 million to clear for FFP was not the figure? Lot of work to go. |
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Post by bhp on Aug 21, 2024 8:25:53 GMT
Cash in, sign Azeez (too late) &/or Poku (Peterborough) for less than half the price. In 12-24 months sell for £10m, rinse & repeat.
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Post by monsoonmoon on Aug 21, 2024 8:38:35 GMT
There’s plenty of players who have been sold for way over their market cost, because their value to the selling club is greater than where they are in the market. £20m is well above the market value for Manhoef, but Leeds would be paying a premium for the timing of this transfer, his importance to our season, the potential we see in him, that they’re a divisional rival, and simply the fact he’s shown he can adapt to English football now. If the decision makers at Stoke are genuinely targeting the play-offs as has been the conversation this summer, then Manhoef must be deemed integral to that and the potential windfall keeping him around could create is well in excess of £20m. Its rarely that binary, granted, but these are the things we need to model when we get to what is an appropriate price, rather than what the market would dictate. I don’t think it’d take £20m, but I don’t think it’s that absurd to want an astronomical figure if a bid is coming in from Leeds now. Think you will be in for a bit of a shock then. There is no way Leeds sell one for £25m and then replace with £20m. I have a feeling £12m would be enough here. I said I don’t think it’d take £20m, I was pointing out why people would get to a hefty figure like that and why it’s not absurd that they do, imo. With all those factors I do think £12m would be a bit low, but I’m not privy to all of clauses and promises made to Manhoef. I suspect an adequate fee is probably around £15m right now, and will only increase each day closer to the window shutting. I agree that we’ve got to get comfortable with selling players but equally, it works for Brentford and Brighton because they do it at the right times for them, as well as the player / buyer. Look at how they knocked back late window bids for Moises Caicedo one January then sold him in the following summer. I imagine a conversation there went along the lines of, it’s too late but we won’t stand in your way in the summer if a suitable one comes in. Personally, I expect Manhoef to still be here in September but guess we will wait and see! |
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 21, 2024 9:11:38 GMT
Leeds are massively in debt which is giving me encouragement Were** Rutter, Gray, Summerville well over 100m made this summer. They are 195mil in debt that won’t scratch the surface |
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Post by monsoonmoon on Aug 21, 2024 9:57:01 GMT
Leeds are massively in debt which is giving me encouragement Were** Rutter, Gray, Summerville well over 100m made this summer. Signed Rutter for £40m though, and sold him for the same amount. Not accounting for agent fees, etc. they well be making a loss on him. There’ll be good profits on Gray and Summerville though, you’re right there. Can’t recall ever seeing a release clause for the same fee that was paid out initially. That seems a bit mad! |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 21, 2024 10:07:38 GMT
Were** Rutter, Gray, Summerville well over 100m made this summer. Signed Rutter for £40m though, and sold him for the same amount. Not accounting for agent fees, etc. they well be making a loss on him. There’ll be good profits on Gray and Summerville though, you’re right there. Can’t recall ever seeing a release clause for the same fee that was paid out initially. That seems a bit mad! Non of it is particularly relevant to their FFP position ie they had £50M+ of transfer fees becoming due this summer. If they fail to make any of the payments they get embargoed straight away, so that's over half of their incoming fees accounted for straight away but they have second year parachute payments that lifts them well above all non parachute clubs in terms of income. No idea how badly their operating losses will eat into the rest of their player trading surplus. |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Aug 21, 2024 18:28:08 GMT
This might end their interest in Million. He is a winger
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Post by Marc01 on Aug 28, 2024 18:34:51 GMT
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Post by theteacher on Aug 28, 2024 18:38:29 GMT
Signed Rutter for £40m though, and sold him for the same amount. Not accounting for agent fees, etc. they well be making a loss on him. There’ll be good profits on Gray and Summerville though, you’re right there. Can’t recall ever seeing a release clause for the same fee that was paid out initially. That seems a bit mad! Non of it is particularly relevant to their FFP position ie they had £50M+ of transfer fees becoming due this summer. If they fail to make any of the payments they get embargoed straight away, so that's over half of their incoming fees accounted for straight away but they have second year parachute payments that lifts them well above all non parachute clubs in terms of income. No idea how badly their operating losses will eat into the rest of their player trading surplus. Shaqiri - if relegated and we were. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 28, 2024 20:28:49 GMT
Can’t believe anyone thinks he’s had a slow start to the season. Created both goals scored so far and two goals in the cup. We do expect far too much sometimes.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 29, 2024 2:34:51 GMT
Can’t believe anyone thinks he’s had a slow start to the season. Created both goals scored so far and two goals in the cup. We do expect far too much sometimes. He’s a strange one - his goals and assists output far outweigh his performances. That’s no slight on him, he’s ace. He just seems to have a knack of producing something out of nowhere. |
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 29, 2024 2:59:03 GMT
Can’t believe anyone thinks he’s had a slow start to the season. Created both goals scored so far and two goals in the cup. We do expect far too much sometimes. Pissed me sen laughing at that last sentence 😂 🤣 Most Stoke fans get ecstatic over someone running around like their arse is on fire. It's a Stoke thing. |
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Post by pieofpeter on Aug 31, 2024 17:38:36 GMT
Is becoming our most important player ATM.
Great start to the season for him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2024 17:40:37 GMT
Carries on like he hopefully should and we’ll be lucky to be watching this time next year if not Feb.
Has the feel of someone who’ll end up at a team like Castle or Villa.
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Post by pieofpeter on Aug 31, 2024 17:44:26 GMT
Carries on like he hopefully should and we’ll be lucky to be watching this time next year if not Feb. Has the feel of someone who’ll end up at a team like Castle or Villa. Agree massively on this but he has a feel for me of a top italian club or German club he could easily play for imo. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2024 17:45:24 GMT
Carries on like he hopefully should and we’ll be lucky to be watching this time next year if not Feb. Has the feel of someone who’ll end up at a team like Castle or Villa. Agree massively on this but he has a feel for me of a top italian club or German club he could easily play for imo. Depends if he wants to stay in this country or not but definitely agree. |
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