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Post by clarkeda on Dec 21, 2023 12:48:42 GMT
If he goes 4231 Bonham Junior McNally Rose Stevens Burger Laurent Leris Bae Vidigal Mmaee Has to be doesn’t it surely? I just want a team selection the majority of us agree with, along with a good performance, even if we lose. The performance will almost be as important as the result. Edit - although I think I could get on board with something abit mad like this, Baker for Laurent to push on if needed. Bonham Junior McNally Clark Hoever Burger Laurent Gooch Bae Vidi/Haks Mmaee |
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Post by yellowsnowman on Dec 21, 2023 13:01:38 GMT
Well hes gonna play 4321 0r 3421 i think. Could suprise us all. Bonham Gooch Rose Mcnally Junior Burger Laurent Vidigal Bae Leris Mmaee Or Bonham Rose Mcnally Hoever Gooch Burger Laurent Junior Bae Johnson Mmaee Some thing like that perhaps. I really hope we win though. Come on Stoke!! I know he's got a reputation for being an attacking manager, but Hoever in a back three is taking it too far! We dont have many cbs i was just thinking pace. Hes played there before. But yeah he wouldnt be my first choice there clearly either but clark or who else. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 21, 2023 13:06:02 GMT
Simkin
Vidigal
Leris
Mmaaee
Campbell
Lowe
Tezgel
Gayle
Wesley
Haksabanovic
Bae
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Post by stokecitytalke on Dec 21, 2023 13:08:25 GMT
Simkin Vidigal Leris Mmaaee Campbell Lowe Tezgel Gayle Wesley Haksabanovic Bae Nah, too defensive. |
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Post by Biblical on Dec 21, 2023 13:32:43 GMT
No idea who he’ll select or how he’ll line up.
It’s too early to expect a significant change in terms of how we play but hopefully the need to impress the new manager will lead to increased intensity, which might still be enough to beat what must be a poor Millwall side given they sit just below us.
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Post by jokker on Dec 21, 2023 13:34:07 GMT
He'd be a genius if he were able to seperate the quality from the dross that we have in less than three days. I think the team that played against Plymouth a short while ago will be the Stoke team that's in his mind with minor changes if he has seen other players before or if someone in training has shown the precise qualities that he wants to mold his team around. But it's less the names that will be interesting. It's the style of football that he wants to implement, the unnegotiable rules he has. If for instance the backward pass is banned that will make some difference towards a positive change in Stoke's fortunes, but not that alone of course. To be honest Ive always thought that as a supporter and dont know why its not more common for managers. I do hate it when a midfielder or a winger cant see a forward pass so they go back to defenders and then inevitably back to the goalkeeper to kick it long. Retaining possession but being 60 yards further back makes no sense whatsover, and allows the opposition to re-group. On top of that a midfielder by nature should be better at finding a pass than a defender/goalkeeper. They should be embarrassed that they delegate their responsibilities. Dont have fear about losing the ball by going forward. Even if you lose it going forwards it puts their defence under pressure to clear the ball. I'm sure most supporters have crooked toes and groan whether audibly or not with 9 out of 10 back passes. I don't imagine that most managers instruct their players to "go out and play it backwards", but they will probably say 'when nothing is working, pass it back to the goalie, so that we can reset our formation and start passing to each other'. Only our goalies (over a long time) aren't coached to make intelligent passes to defined teammates, and so instead they kick it out to nobody in particular. Other teams know this, so the relief back passes frequently lead to something far worse. Like you I hate the standard backward playing (double meaning hint) that has been our way of playing, especially if we take a short corner or freekick but have no specific plan what to do next, then out of fear of doing the wrong thing, pass all the back to the goalie eventually, and then it starts all over. I can't understand why successive managers didn't address this before now our new man does. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 21, 2023 13:36:38 GMT
What’s his preferred formation? He seems to prefer a 433 formation going by plymouths games this season! Hopefully that changes with us. |
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Post by femark on Dec 21, 2023 13:59:55 GMT
I know he's got a reputation for being an attacking manager, but Hoever in a back three is taking it too far! We dont have many cbs i was just thinking pace. Hes played there before. But yeah he wouldnt be my first choice there clearly either but clark or who else. Hoever played the majority of his youth career at CB |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 21, 2023 14:05:15 GMT
Simkin Vidigal Leris Mmaaee Campbell Lowe Tezgel Gayle Wesley Haksabanovic Bae Nah, too defensive. Was thinking the same. Maybe scrap the goalkeeper idea and squeeze another attacker in and we are onto a winner. |
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Post by chad on Dec 21, 2023 14:05:22 GMT
Wonder if this may mean redemption for Baker.
Let’s not forget how good he was
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 21, 2023 14:39:24 GMT
I think he'll take guidance from Gallagher for this particular game so I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar line up/set up to the Swansea game............
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 21, 2023 14:58:19 GMT
I think he'll take guidance from Gallagher for this particular game so I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar line up/set up to the Swansea game............ I’d be surprised at that. I think he will try and make an immediate impression/impact and look to get us being more attack minded |
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Post by idle on Dec 21, 2023 14:58:55 GMT
No way in hell he'll do this, but I'm going for a 4-3-1-2:
Bonham
Junior - McNally - Rose - Stevens
Baker - Pearson - Burger
Bae
Mmaee - Vidigal
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Post by Northy on Dec 21, 2023 15:00:37 GMT
No way in hell he'll do this, but I'm going for a 4-3-1-2: Bonham Junior - McNally - Rose - Stevens Baker - Pearson - Burger Bae Mmaee - Vidigal Pearson is suspended |
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Post by idle on Dec 21, 2023 15:03:27 GMT
No way in hell he'll do this, but I'm going for a 4-3-1-2: Bonham Junior - McNally - Rose - Stevens Baker - Pearson - Burger Bae Mmaee - Vidigal Pearson is suspended Ah, I forgot! Lucky we have his double Thompson then |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 21, 2023 15:04:14 GMT
I'd like to see Burger used as a holding midfielder. He's been erratic in his role next to Pearson and I'd like to see how he goes if he's the one who sits.
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Post by Scouse on Dec 21, 2023 15:04:46 GMT
Although he said one of his first tasks was to talk to his analyst team .. as above Id expect him to also speak to Gallagher ..
having played us very recently he’ll already have the analyst info from Plymouth on our current form , giving him strengths and weaknesses from an opposition point of view ..and be able to compare that to how the data was supported or not in the live scenario ..poacher turned game warden
He’ll know from the raw stats we concede late ..but hes also got first hand experience of how that came about and how Plymouth exploited it .. which hopefully is something he can guard against
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Post by scfc1863 on Dec 21, 2023 15:14:31 GMT
Although he said one of his first tasks was to talk to his analyst team .. as above Id expect him to also speak to Gallagher .. having played us very recently he’ll already have the analyst info from Plymouth on our current form , giving him strengths and weaknesses from an opposition point of view ..and be able to compare that to how the data was supported or not in the live scenario ..poacher turned game warden He’ll know from the raw stats we concede late ..but hes also got first hand experience of how that came about and how Plymouth exploited it .. which hopefully is something he can guard against Excellent analysis Scouse, you should be a football manager/coach....... but would a Scouse football manager/coach work?  |
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 21, 2023 15:16:14 GMT
I remember Jones first game when he went with his favoured diamond against Brentford and we got hammered. I guess he's seen them in training close up since Tuesday, so he could go with his gut feeling. He likes his players to pass and dribble forward, might be a bit difficult for some of the squad, whose default movements are generally sideways & backwards.😕
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Post by BuzzB on Dec 21, 2023 15:26:56 GMT
I see nobody has selected Campbell, is he long term then?
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Post by J-Roar on Dec 21, 2023 15:27:23 GMT
I'd like to see Burger used as a holding midfielder. He's been erratic in his role next to Pearson and I'd like to see how he goes if he's the one who sits. He gives the ball away too easily and takes too many risks. |
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Post by Northy on Dec 21, 2023 15:28:34 GMT
I see nobody has selected Campbell, is he long term then? He's always been long term No idea but he seems a lot more of a tampax these days. |
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Post by stokefanone on Dec 21, 2023 15:28:52 GMT
As SS seems to play 433, I think this would be my preferred side for Saturday.
Bonham
Junior
McNally
Rose
Gooch
Burger
Lauren
Baker/Bae
Vidigal
Mammy
Lehris/Hacks.
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Post by jokker on Dec 21, 2023 15:34:14 GMT
I remember Jones first game when he went with his favoured diamond against Brentford and we got hammered. I guess he's seen them in training close up since Tuesday, so he could go with his gut feeling. He likes his players to pass and dribble forward, might be a bit difficult for some of the squad, whose default movements are generally sideways & backwards.😕 I'm sure the players understands English more or less perfectly, so they will already have learned one of his four not-negotiable rules: Do not pass the ball backwards! If they do so repeatedly anyway they are digging their own graves as far as being in future teams is concerned. They might well do it anyway, so deeply ingrained is that pass to them, and then SS will know the diffficulty of the task ahead. |
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Post by idle on Dec 21, 2023 15:45:04 GMT
I'd like to see Burger used as a holding midfielder. He's been erratic in his role next to Pearson and I'd like to see how he goes if he's the one who sits. He gives the ball away too easily and takes too many risks. I agree. I don't think he's disciplined enough to play as the DM. Maybe Schumacher could teach him a few things though. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Dec 21, 2023 15:55:07 GMT
Bonham Tchamadeu McNally Rose Gooch Laurent Burger Leris Junho Vidigal Wesley I'd actually give big Wes a start after Mmaee's recent offerings. I can see the thinking I just don’t think Wes is mobile enough |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 21, 2023 15:56:27 GMT
I'd like to see Burger used as a holding midfielder. He's been erratic in his role next to Pearson and I'd like to see how he goes if he's the one who sits. He gives the ball away too easily and takes too many risks. You need to take risks. Sick of us playing safe and getting nowhere - it's the reason we can't break teams down. Our players are slow. Our passing is slow. I've no problem with players giving the ball away when taking risks, as long as it's not too often. He needs to find a better balance, and running around like a headless chicken no doubt affects his ability on the ball. I think he could dictate things if he wasn't all over the place positionally. Better movement and repeated patterns of play would help. Hopefully Schumacher and the coaching staff can get it going because so far it looks as though they just turn up on the day. We've spent the whole season worrying about the opposition, and I'm sick of it. |
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Post by J-Roar on Dec 21, 2023 16:08:20 GMT
He gives the ball away too easily and takes too many risks. You need to take risks. Sick of us playing safe and getting nowhere - it's the reason we can't break teams down. Our players are slow. Our passing is slow. I've no problem with players giving the ball away when taking risks, as long as it's not too often. He needs to find a better balance, and running around like a headless chicken no doubt affects his ability on the ball. I think he could dictate things if he wasn't all over the place positionally. Better movement and repeated patterns of play would help. Hopefully Schumacher and the coaching staff can get it going because so far it looks as though they just turn up on the day. We've spent the whole season worrying about the opposition, and I'm sick of it. Agree that you need to take risks but you need to do so in the right areas. Burger gets caught in possession constantly, reacts too slowly when he is dispossessed and doesn't tackle well. Not a great set of skills for a DM |
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Post by thornestein on Dec 21, 2023 16:15:25 GMT
I see nobody has selected Campbell, is he long term then? no just bone idle |
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Post by Los Alfareros on Dec 21, 2023 16:20:31 GMT
What did Plymouth do on goal kicks? Please God not the fucking ridiculous two players in our own 6 yard box tippy tapping it a few times before panicking (along with hearts in mouths for the fans), then whacking it up to nobody anyway.
Or worse, losing the ball and it ending up in the back of our net.
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