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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 14, 2023 8:33:09 GMT
Tears are going to be shed when this rumour is put to bed  theathletic.com/2672722/2021/06/25/sure-nunos-wolves-were-pragmatic-but-they-were-also-exhilarating-spurs-fans-shouldnt-dismiss-him-out-of-hand/Pragmatic is the word for him. Nuno builds his teams from the back, placing an obsessive emphasis on shape and structure. That’s why Wolves had such a good defensive record from 2017 to 2020. They kept 13 clean sheets in 21 games either side of lockdown. But boring? Last season, yes, with so many circumstances at play. Before that? No, it was a thrilling and exhilarating ride that Wolves never wanted to get off. Nuno improved players young and old, getting the very best from the likes of Doherty, Jimenez, Romain Saiss, Traore, Pedro Neto, Coady and Ryan Bennett, who all made massive personal improvements during his tenure. And the players loved him, not to mention the fans. More than just guiding a team from Championship obscurity to Europe, Nuno united the fanbase and the whole city in a way not achieved by a single individual since backstreet international Steve Bull broke every goalscoring record going when propelling Wolves up two divisions in the late 1980s. Nuno became a cult all of his own. The beard, the smile, the philosophical musings, the passion and the frenzied celebrations, occasionally on the pitch. He pissed off Neil Warnock, Tony Pulis and Steve Bruce, and they loved him for it. Was he a media darling? Absolutely not. Did the fans or players care? Of course they didn’t. From the stands they universally adored him, from the dressing room they deeply admired and respected him (and he never once came close to throwing them, or anyone else from the club, under the bus in public, he’s got too much integrity for that). They shed tears when he left. It is just a rumour let’s face it. None of the journalists have picked this up. MC hadn’t heard anything about it. |
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Post by questionable on Dec 14, 2023 8:37:13 GMT
Tears are going to be shed when this rumour is put to bed theathletic.com/2672722/2021/06/25/sure-nunos-wolves-were-pragmatic-but-they-were-also-exhilarating-spurs-fans-shouldnt-dismiss-him-out-of-hand/Pragmatic is the word for him. Nuno builds his teams from the back, placing an obsessive emphasis on shape and structure. That’s why Wolves had such a good defensive record from 2017 to 2020. They kept 13 clean sheets in 21 games either side of lockdown. But boring? Last season, yes, with so many circumstances at play. Before that? No, it was a thrilling and exhilarating ride that Wolves never wanted to get off. Nuno improved players young and old, getting the very best from the likes of Doherty, Jimenez, Romain Saiss, Traore, Pedro Neto, Coady and Ryan Bennett, who all made massive personal improvements during his tenure. And the players loved him, not to mention the fans. More than just guiding a team from Championship obscurity to Europe, Nuno united the fanbase and the whole city in a way not achieved by a single individual since backstreet international Steve Bull broke every goalscoring record going when propelling Wolves up two divisions in the late 1980s. Nuno became a cult all of his own. The beard, the smile, the philosophical musings, the passion and the frenzied celebrations, occasionally on the pitch. He pissed off Neil Warnock, Tony Pulis and Steve Bruce, and they loved him for it. Was he a media darling? Absolutely not. Did the fans or players care? Of course they didn’t. From the stands they universally adored him, from the dressing room they deeply admired and respected him (and he never once came close to throwing them, or anyone else from the club, under the bus in public, he’s got too much integrity for that). They shed tears when he left. It is just a rumour let’s face it. None of the journalists have picked this up. MC hadn’t heard anything about it. PC JC probably haven’t also |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 14, 2023 8:45:02 GMT
Interesting article from last year... theathletic.com/3517157/2022/08/19/nuno-espirito-santo-wolves-spurs/If you weren’t aware, Nuno is back in work now, having taken time out post-Spurs to spend time with his family back home in Portugal while assessing his options and perusing job offers (including positions in Turkey and Brazil). Where has he wound up? Al-Ittihad in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. He’s been joined there by the perennially-young Scottish coach Ian Cathro (still only 36 years old) who was also with Nuno at Portugal’s Rio Ave, Valencia in Spain, Wolves and Spurs, plus goalkeeping coach Rui Barbosa. No doubt working in Saudi Arabia offers an interesting challenge for Nuno and Cathro, certainly culturally, but it’s hard to envisage them there were it not for the obvious financial benefits. And it feels like a waste. But in terms of a career move? Well, it depends what Nuno wants from his career, but it doesn’t feel right for a man often described as a genius by those who worked with him at Wolves (and by himself to The Athletic once upon a time) to sit outside football’s mainstream. Taking the Spurs job was a gamble which didn’t pay off. He may have been handsomely rewarded with a large pay-off when he left, but Nuno’s reputation suffered in those few months. His stock post-Wolves was still high, despite a dodgy final season. The previous three years were basically perfect (winning the Championship title and then finishing seventh, twice, in the Premier League while also reaching that Europa League quarter-final and an FA Cup semi-final Wolves were three minutes from winning) and led him to be linked with all manner of high-profile jobs, most notably the Arsenal one. Joining the other north London giants didn’t suit him. He found some of their distracted and unwanted players hard to manage, he faced an insurmountable battle to earn their respect, given he was so clearly a long way down Tottenham’s list of candidates, and he had an unhappy Harry Kane to deal with. Yes, he made mistakes, but against his better judgement (he was believed to be reluctant to take the job until his agent Jorge Mendes convinced him otherwise) it was a role he should, in glorious hindsight, have turned down. He should have gone to Crystal Palace, who had strongly courted him. Those close to Nuno say that, post-Spurs, he was looking for a fresh project and a mountain to climb in the manner of what he achieved with Wolves, taking a team up a few levels and galvanising a group of mouldable players with small egos for footballers (Nuno doesn’t like being challenged).
Those opportunities, even when your agent and close friend is Mendes, don’t come around very often. So for now, it’s Al-Ittihad. He’ll be acutely aware of his reputation having taken a hit, but he’ll also know that being out of sight of European football means being out of mind. However well he does, it’s unlikely he’ll be there long, given Al-Ittihad have had 20 permanent managers since 2010. At Wolves, he transformed a team, a club and a city, conducting one of the best teams ever seen at the second level of English football. They may not have reached 100 points or broken records, but when Wolves were at their best in the Championship it was football from another league. He helped launch the top-level careers of not only Conor Coady and Doherty, but also Diogo Jota, Ruben Neves and Pedro Neto. He became a hero to his people. He took Wolves to places they didn’t think they would reach again. In short, he’s far too good to be out in Saudi Arabia, as is the astute and talented Cathro. If he ever does return to English football, he’ll forever receive a warm reception from Wolves supporters. Spurs fans? Possibly not so much.  |
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 14, 2023 8:46:20 GMT
We were allegedly willing to throw money at Potter than some Prem managers don't get. We spent money in the summer but we also brought a fair bit in and probably reduced the wage bill further still, not to mention we've still got the Souttar money in play as well or part of it. Nuno's coming off the back of a mega money stint in Saudi and would've had a tidy pay off from Spurs too, there's every chance that his demands may actually be fairly reasonable especially if he see's this as a project that can get his career back on track. This was my rationale for him applying. Nuno doesn’t actually need the money which is why he’s possibly amenable to dropping into the Champo for a ‘project’ job. The only risk is that if he’s doing really well here, other clubs will be reminded of how good he is and his past achievements, and if a Premier League club came calling, because he’s already loaded he would do the rare thing and resign, leaving us up shit creek to pick up the pieces of a project borne in Nuno’s vision. If Nuno comes, it’s imperative we have a succession plan. to be honest, I'd just love for us to be in the position that he's doing so well that other clubs want him  we can worry about him leaving if we ever get to that point! |
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Post by neddy on Dec 14, 2023 8:48:25 GMT
If this is a non starter it would be good to crush it quickly as was done with Potter?
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Post by baconburger on Dec 14, 2023 8:48:39 GMT
Tears are going to be shed when this rumour is put to bed theathletic.com/2672722/2021/06/25/sure-nunos-wolves-were-pragmatic-but-they-were-also-exhilarating-spurs-fans-shouldnt-dismiss-him-out-of-hand/Pragmatic is the word for him. Nuno builds his teams from the back, placing an obsessive emphasis on shape and structure. That’s why Wolves had such a good defensive record from 2017 to 2020. They kept 13 clean sheets in 21 games either side of lockdown. But boring? Last season, yes, with so many circumstances at play. Before that? No, it was a thrilling and exhilarating ride that Wolves never wanted to get off. Nuno improved players young and old, getting the very best from the likes of Doherty, Jimenez, Romain Saiss, Traore, Pedro Neto, Coady and Ryan Bennett, who all made massive personal improvements during his tenure. And the players loved him, not to mention the fans. More than just guiding a team from Championship obscurity to Europe, Nuno united the fanbase and the whole city in a way not achieved by a single individual since backstreet international Steve Bull broke every goalscoring record going when propelling Wolves up two divisions in the late 1980s. Nuno became a cult all of his own. The beard, the smile, the philosophical musings, the passion and the frenzied celebrations, occasionally on the pitch. He pissed off Neil Warnock, Tony Pulis and Steve Bruce, and they loved him for it. Was he a media darling? Absolutely not. Did the fans or players care? Of course they didn’t. From the stands they universally adored him, from the dressing room they deeply admired and respected him (and he never once came close to throwing them, or anyone else from the club, under the bus in public, he’s got too much integrity for that). They shed tears when he left. I read his name, shrugged my shoulders. Then came on here and Twitter. I just thought he was a dour fuck tbh. See you don’t get any of this shit with the Watford model. They sack one and appoint his successor an hour later. This period is wank all it does is entrench supporter attitudes as to who they want and who they don’t. Might as well just appoint Mowbray now so most of them can be united in being pissed off. |
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 14, 2023 8:49:39 GMT
Those close to Nuno say that, post-Spurs, he was looking for a fresh project and a mountain to climb in the manner of what he achieved with Wolves, taking a team up a few levels and galvanising a group of mouldable players with small egos for footballers (Nuno doesn’t like being challenged).
That is evidence of why he would apply for the Stoke job
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Post by baconburger on Dec 14, 2023 8:52:14 GMT
This was my rationale for him applying. Nuno doesn’t actually need the money which is why he’s possibly amenable to dropping into the Champo for a ‘project’ job. The only risk is that if he’s doing really well here, other clubs will be reminded of how good he is and his past achievements, and if a Premier League club came calling, because he’s already loaded he would do the rare thing and resign, leaving us up shit creek to pick up the pieces of a project borne in Nuno’s vision. If Nuno comes, it’s imperative we have a succession plan. to be honest, I'd just love for us to be in the position that he's doing so well that other clubs want him we can worry about him leaving if we ever get to that point! Whoever we appoint it’s vital to have a succession plan. You want someone like Les Reed in the background he’d even have a plan for replacing himself. Is RM that thorough, who knows. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2023 8:52:16 GMT
I read his name, shrugged my shoulders. Then came on here and Twitter. I just thought he was a dour fuck tbh. See you don’t get any of this shit with the Watford model. They sack one and appoint his successor an hour later. This period is wank all it does is entrench supporter attitudes as to who they want and who they don’t. Might as well just appoint Mowbray now so most of them can be united in being pissed off. Past the odd few I really don’t want I’ve gone past caring. Ultimately I think the real issue is still at the club and a new manager will make little difference as long as the club is the way it is. Merry Christmas! |
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 14, 2023 8:52:21 GMT
Take this for what it is, a rumour/ just sharing what I heard. Guy from BET365 is aware Stoke have approached a few managers, Eustace and Mowbray, but he believes Nuno has applied? Ie wasn’t approached but applied in his own right. Stoke are surprised he applied No idea how reliable this is but the fella does work in a corporate role at BET 🤷♂️ If he’s applied we should snap his hands off that to me says a lot more about desire than someone being asked and it’s the sort of thing the fans would love. Hang on a min, this is stoke. Didn't Potter offer his services some 5 years ago and we didn't take him up on it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 8:52:48 GMT
The project thing is certainly evidence to suggest the rumours of him applying are true. Would be interesting to see or hear the reaction to him asking the owners as to why they didn't approach him in any interview or chats they might have...
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Post by neddy on Dec 14, 2023 8:53:54 GMT
The project thing is certainly evidence to suggest the rumours of him applying are true. Would be interesting to see or hear the reaction to him asking the owners as to why they didn't approach him in any interview or chats they might have... Presumably they would believe him unattainable? |
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Post by neddy on Dec 14, 2023 8:54:49 GMT
See you don’t get any of this shit with the Watford model. They sack one and appoint his successor an hour later. This period is wank all it does is entrench supporter attitudes as to who they want and who they don’t. Might as well just appoint Mowbray now so most of them can be united in being pissed off. Past the odd few I really don’t want I’ve gone past caring. Ultimately I think the real issue is still at the club and a new manager will make little difference as long as the club is the way it is. Merry Christmas! Who do you want mate…. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 14, 2023 8:57:44 GMT
The project thing is certainly evidence to suggest the rumours of him applying are true. Would be interesting to see or hear the reaction to him asking the owners as to why they didn't approach him in any interview or chats they might have... Presumably they would believe him unattainable? They could always just say that just to blow smoke up his arse. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2023 8:58:02 GMT
Past the odd few I really don’t want I’ve gone past caring. Ultimately I think the real issue is still at the club and a new manager will make little difference as long as the club is the way it is. Merry Christmas! Who do you want mate…. Ideally an unknown foreign bloke. But that ain’t going to happen so ok with most of them. Would love to see a good argument for Heckingbottom because again I see his name and it makes me pull a face. The arguments on here for Nuno have won that face over. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 14, 2023 8:58:47 GMT
Oh God, this is still going?.. there's going to be a lot of tears in the Potteries soon.
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Post by frasier37 on Dec 14, 2023 8:59:17 GMT
Preying its Nuno. We need a manager that all ...err almost all get on board with, supporters and players alike unite for it to put fire in all our bellies, for it be successful. We need a manager that knows his stuff on the field and off it. Relax john's got this... ...welcome to Stoke Tony Mowbray  |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 14, 2023 9:00:10 GMT
The project thing is certainly evidence to suggest the rumours of him applying are true. Would be interesting to see or hear the reaction to him asking the owners as to why they didn't approach him in any interview or chats they might have... Because it's like your Xmas card list - if they asked Nuno they would feel obliged to ask Mourinho and Ancelotti. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 14, 2023 9:01:16 GMT
Preying its Nuno. We need a manager that all ...err almost all get on board with, supporters and players alike unite for it to put fire in all our bellies, for it be successful. We need a manager that knows his stuff on the field and off it. Relax john's got this... ...welcome to Stoke Tony Mowbray I could go with that at least he’s got the right approach to the game. Come on you lot get behind him! |
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Post by caine on Dec 14, 2023 9:03:11 GMT
So what’s latest?
Did a load of vale fans lump on him
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Post by satoshi on Dec 14, 2023 9:03:32 GMT
Those close to Nuno say that, post-Spurs, he was looking for a fresh project and a mountain to climb in the manner of what he achieved with Wolves, taking a team up a few levels and galvanising a group of mouldable players with small egos for footballers (Nuno doesn’t like being challenged). That is evidence of why he would apply for the Stoke job He should just buy football manager |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 14, 2023 9:04:48 GMT
So what’s latest? Did a loaf of vale fans lump on him Nuno is now favourite on the poll he’s gone ahead of that Hasslehoff bloke. Still only 14 votes for Mowbray, I only voted once honest. |
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Post by cja103 on Dec 14, 2023 9:04:49 GMT
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Post by moon on Dec 14, 2023 9:05:08 GMT
If he’s applied we should snap his hands off that to me says a lot more about desire than someone being asked and it’s the sort of thing the fans would love. Hang on a min, this is stoke. Didn't Potter offer his services some 5 years ago and we didn't take him up on it. It's easy to say with hindsight, but the Graham Potter of 5 years ago is very different to the Graham Potter of today in terms of achievements. He had been successful in Sweden but it wasn't a given at the time that he'd be a success in England, had he joined us and we'd still been relegated (which isn't that unlikely given the timing of Hughes' sacking and the time left in the transfer window) he'd have faced the usual abuse on here and there would've been uproar about the board appointing a manager with no experience managing in the premier league / championship.
I'm not saying he would've been a failure here, he's clearly a very good manager and maybe it would've worked out, but it would've been a gamble at the time. Maybe we missed our only opportunity with Potter, but that's how it goes, I don't blame the board for not appointing him (but I'm also not condoning them appointing Lambert either - the search for a manager that month was a complete shit show).
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Post by skip on Dec 14, 2023 9:05:55 GMT
I could go with that at least he’s got the right approach to the game. Come on you lot get behind him! Mowbray hates Stoke City. If he rocked up, it would be more a case of only in it for the money than Michael Owen and Gayle put together. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 14, 2023 9:07:58 GMT
I could go with that at least he’s got the right approach to the game. Come on you lot get behind him! Mowbray hates Stoke City. If he rocked up, it would be more a case of only in it for the money than Michael Owen and Gayle put together.[/quote] He doesn’t hate Stoke he hated the way we played. Who wants a manager who sucks off the opposition anyway. |
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Post by skip on Dec 14, 2023 9:09:35 GMT
Played past tense? If he does end up with us god forbid, he's got a job on his hands making our current team glide around the pitch picking up three points hither and thither.
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Post by mattythestokie on Dec 14, 2023 9:10:00 GMT
Nuno Espírito Santo to Tony Mowbray is gonna be some knock down to earth for some stoke fans.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 14, 2023 9:11:21 GMT
So what’s latest? Did a load of vale fans lump on him The combined GDP of Burslem is £1.24 - I don't think it's the big money men of Vale Park that is shifting the markets. |
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Post by telfordstokie on Dec 14, 2023 9:15:02 GMT
While his supposed interest has not been confirmed by any reputable source, it’s also not been squashed by anyone yet - unlike the Potter thing which was put to bed in a couple of hours.
The longer that’s the case, the more my hopes are going up that it is legitimate.
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we can worry about him leaving if we ever get to that point!
