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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2023 17:23:38 GMT
One of these days he'll get an anecdote right.......... Am I missing something here? What’s he ballsed up on? (Other than his general thoughts). He accused her of saying "Endo scored with his laces" and then says "anyone with any knowledge knows that isn't true" She actually says "how many players do you see panic in that situation and put their laces through and smash it over the bar? But no Endo just strokes it into the right hand corner..........." So in short he was completely and utterly misquoting her..................
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 8, 2023 22:10:26 GMT
He's stating what the vast majority are thinking though (regarding women pundits). Old fashioned? maybe but Id put money on Sky Soccer Saturday's viewing figures decreasing since they ceased being old fashioned. I haven't read all the rest of this thread but I don't think there is any evidence that the "vast majority" share his views, and I'd be very depressed if they did. Surely what matters is the quality and standard of the punditry or commentary, regardless of the gender of the person delivering it ? Some male pundits/commentators are better than some of their female counterparts, and some females doing that job are better than some of their male counterparts. Gender-based generalisations on this are completely inappropriate IMHO. Does Joey Barton object to male pundits or commentators on women's football or any other women's sport ? It also makes a complete mockery of his support for "Her Game Too".
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 8, 2023 22:23:03 GMT
My opinion, not that anyone wants to hear it, is that men commentate on men’s football and women commentate on women’s football. As for pundits I don’t really care, it’s just opinionated chatter and anyone from any sex, race or whatever is free to an opinion. The art of commentary is a completely different beast and for me I’ve never listened to a female commentator I like. Bit to be honest the decent male commentators are few and far between.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 8, 2023 22:28:52 GMT
Genuinely disappointed with Joey Barton tbh. I've always had the guys back. He was definitely misunderstood as a footballer.... far more talented than he was ever given credit for, but always knew how to fuck his own career over.
Seems he's repeating all the mistakes of the past. His comments are bat shit at the end of the day. If they were true, then almost every football fan in the country can go home from the pub now and say no more regarding professional football (either sex btw), because whatever level we play, it's below the likes of Alex Scott.
Why the fuck he's doubled down, I don't know. I always thought Joey had the brains to somewhat put a different side across. He's not a stupid lad, regardless of what people think. However, he's come across like a right moron here. Shame.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 8, 2023 23:14:59 GMT
Here he is
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Post by LphPotter on Dec 8, 2023 23:39:50 GMT
Genuinely disappointed with Joey Barton tbh. I've always had the guys back. He was definitely misunderstood as a footballer.... far more talented than he was ever given credit for, but always knew how to fuck his own career over. Seems he's repeating all the mistakes of the past. His comments are bat shit at the end of the day. If they were true, then almost every football fan in the country can go home from the pub now and say no more regarding professional football (either sex btw), because whatever level we play, it's below the likes of Alex Scott. Why the fuck he's doubled down, I don't know. I always thought Joey had the brains to somewhat put a different side across. He's not a stupid lad, regardless of what people think. However, he's come across like a right moron here. Shame. He’s doubled down because he’s starting a podcast and has clearly decided to make that his new career. People should stop reacting to him to be honest, but that won’t happen. So in a way he’s not a stupid lad because he knows this will get people talking and therefore onto his podcast. However in most other ways he’s very stupid, you only have to look at his comments the other day about his brother murdering someone to know that.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 8, 2023 23:46:41 GMT
Genuinely disappointed with Joey Barton tbh. I've always had the guys back. He was definitely misunderstood as a footballer.... far more talented than he was ever given credit for, but always knew how to fuck his own career over. Seems he's repeating all the mistakes of the past. His comments are bat shit at the end of the day. If they were true, then almost every football fan in the country can go home from the pub now and say no more regarding professional football (either sex btw), because whatever level we play, it's below the likes of Alex Scott. Why the fuck he's doubled down, I don't know. I always thought Joey had the brains to somewhat put a different side across. He's not a stupid lad, regardless of what people think. However, he's come across like a right moron here. Shame. He’s doubled down because he’s starting a podcast and has clearly decided to make that his new career. People should stop reacting to him to be honest, but that won’t happen. So in a way he’s not a stupid lad because he knows this will get people talking and therefore onto his podcast. However in most other ways he’s very stupid, you only have to look at his comments the other day about his brother murdering someone to know that. He's not stupid. Anything but. He's a pretty articulate guy. Whatever he is saying, it's about a reaction.... Which is such a shame. I used to have a fuck tonne of respect for him. It's rapidly degrading.
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 9, 2023 11:05:10 GMT
Welcome to Stoke on Trent - where it's 1971 all day, every day 😅 Anyone know what time 'The Comedians' is on tonight, I forget to order my TV Times this week. You will miss seeing Bullseye and finding out what we coulda won!
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Post by Waggy on Dec 9, 2023 11:12:25 GMT
It’s gone OTT. Same with race on adverts etc
Bring back the days when you had one nice bit of crumpet eg Gaby Yorath.
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Post by Gods on Dec 9, 2023 11:14:39 GMT
Genuinely disappointed with Joey Barton tbh. I've always had the guys back. He was definitely misunderstood as a footballer.... far more talented than he was ever given credit for, but always knew how to fuck his own career over. Seems he's repeating all the mistakes of the past. His comments are bat shit at the end of the day. If they were true, then almost every football fan in the country can go home from the pub now and say no more regarding professional football (either sex btw), because whatever level we play, it's below the likes of Alex Scott. Why the fuck he's doubled down, I don't know. I always thought Joey had the brains to somewhat put a different side across. He's not a stupid lad, regardless of what people think. However, he's come across like a right moron here. Shame. He’s doubled down because he’s starting a podcast and has clearly decided to make that his new career. People should stop reacting to him to be honest, but that won’t happen. So in a way he’s not a stupid lad because he knows this will get people talking and therefore onto his podcast. However in most other ways he’s very stupid, you only have to look at his comments the other day about his brother murdering someone to know that. Exactly, he has a podcast to sell and he needs an audience. Precisely as Obie Scobie has a book to sell on the royals hence the leaked names of the baby colour speculators. I always look for a motive with these things.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 9, 2023 12:00:56 GMT
Genuinely disappointed with Joey Barton tbh. I've always had the guys back. He was definitely misunderstood as a footballer.... far more talented than he was ever given credit for, but always knew how to fuck his own career over. Seems he's repeating all the mistakes of the past. His comments are bat shit at the end of the day. If they were true, then almost every football fan in the country can go home from the pub now and say no more regarding professional football (either sex btw), because whatever level we play, it's below the likes of Alex Scott. Why the fuck he's doubled down, I don't know. I always thought Joey had the brains to somewhat put a different side across. He's not a stupid lad, regardless of what people think. However, he's come across like a right moron here. Shame. Not sure what made you think he isn't stupid, just look at his past, he's utter scum.
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Post by scfcwebby on Dec 9, 2023 12:11:25 GMT
I don't particularly watch much of the women's game, out of curiosity, do males commentate on their games?
It makes no odds to me who is commentating on the game, but it does seem like (the same as everything else these days) it's just become a box ticking exercise and not actually down to the "talent" of the individual
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Post by thornestein on Dec 9, 2023 12:17:24 GMT
My opinion, not that anyone wants to hear it, is that men commentate on men’s football and women commentate on women’s football. As for pundits I don’t really care, it’s just opinionated chatter and anyone from any sex, race or whatever is free to an opinion. The art of commentary is a completely different beast and for me I’ve never listened to a female commentator I like. Bit to be honest the decent male commentators are few and far between. most the women pundits and commentators in football are awful , but listen to cricket and theyre superb
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Post by grovepotter on Dec 9, 2023 12:29:21 GMT
There are women who make great commentators, there are men who make great commentators, the reverse is true. Why on earth is this even a debate?
Barton has made himself look a clown yet again, he worked so hard to build up a reasonable reputation (at Fleetwood and Bristol Rovers) but spoils it with drivel, similar to Sol Campbell (Macclesfield). I can not think of her name but during the WC one female pundit was terrible, nothing to do with her being female though, for balance, I would rather cover my ears than listen to Danny "boring hell" Murphy.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Dec 9, 2023 12:35:16 GMT
All the dreadful things that are happening in the world and people still care about whether women talk about football. The human race never fail to outdo themselves.
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Post by thehoof on Dec 9, 2023 12:36:14 GMT
I can’t actually remember the last time that I heard a pundit of either sex make a comment that people couldn’t figure out for themselves.
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Post by marwood on Dec 9, 2023 13:02:17 GMT
Genuinely disappointed with Joey Barton tbh. I've always had the guys back. He was definitely misunderstood as a footballer.... far more talented than he was ever given credit for, but always knew how to fuck his own career over. Seems he's repeating all the mistakes of the past. His comments are bat shit at the end of the day. If they were true, then almost every football fan in the country can go home from the pub now and say no more regarding professional football (either sex btw), because whatever level we play, it's below the likes of Alex Scott. Why the fuck he's doubled down, I don't know. I always thought Joey had the brains to somewhat put a different side across. He's not a stupid lad, regardless of what people think. However, he's come across like a right moron here. Shame. Not sure what made you think he isn't stupid, just look at his past, he's utter scum. Whilst Ive never been convinced of his own claims that he's the 'most intelligent footballer currently playing the game' and similar boasts, he does have a modicum somewhere of intelligence - but not as much as he thinks himself. However, you'd have to be pretty naïve, deluded and ignorant in this day and age to come out with views like this if you want a career either in mainstream sport or media. He's shot himself in the foot and pigeonholed himself as a dinosaur misogynist in the public eye, and so massively narrowed down his employability options. Which, in other words, is pretty stupid
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 9, 2023 13:25:52 GMT
I don't particularly watch much of the women's game, out of curiosity, do males commentate on their games? It makes no odds to me who is commentating on the game, but it does seem like (the same as everything else these days) it's just become a box ticking exercise and not actually down to the "talent" of the individual Where was the talent in this case before though? Its not like we are losing a golden age of punditry. Football punditry has been consistently poor, with ' job for the boys' former players thinking they just need to turn up and thats good enough. Its good that these blokes are getting a bit of competition and hopefully filtering out some who have had it very easy.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 9, 2023 13:27:26 GMT
I can’t actually remember the last time that I heard a pundit of either sex make a comment that people couldn’t figure out for themselves. Exactly, its just a job spec consisting of 'state the bloody obvious'
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 9, 2023 21:02:38 GMT
As those of you who have the Marvellous book will know, it includes a picture of a Christmas card from the Neil Baldwin FC on which a photo of Joey Barton alongside Nello (and messrs Fowler, James and McManaman - all at Man City at the time) appears. So he was once " a very good friend" of Neil - can't say better than that !
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Post by jokker on Dec 13, 2023 7:54:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 8:02:43 GMT
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Post by mickey2693 on Dec 13, 2023 8:17:51 GMT
It's the least transparent attempt to create controversy to promote his new podcast. People should just stop paying attention to him.
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Post by skip on Dec 13, 2023 8:19:05 GMT
It's the least transparent attempt to create controversy to promote his new podcast. People should just stop paying attention to him. That's exactly what it is - PR by numbers. Mind you, if he actually does believe half of what he says, he comes across like a total wanker.
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Post by jokker on Dec 13, 2023 11:18:40 GMT
It's the least transparent attempt to create controversy to promote his new podcast. People should just stop paying attention to him.Which is why you're clicking on this thread...?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 13, 2023 11:27:29 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12835285/Joey-Barton-sexist-posts-social-media-women-mens-game.htmlTBF to Barton, as the article mentioned, Kevin Keegan, also made a similar point and basically they agree with each other. Barton came from a big council estate on Merseyside, where a lot of people basically don't achieve any sort of professional recognition at all in any profession and go onto leave life's centered around drink , drugs and crime . He has worked hard to try and be better than his surroundings and do well for himself and achieved a fair bit in the game. Keegan came from uninspiring, certainly not advantaged circumstances in Doncaster and worked hard to reach the very top of the game. I would be very happy to have a drink with either of them. They are certainly entitled to the opinion and there opinion on football and televised football is more informed than a lot of people. I think it's sad people who live their lives on twitter feel they are not entitled to their opinion. Perhaps it's jealousy ? Maybe they envy the likes of Barton and Keegan for being bold enough, ambitious enough and talented enough to make their mark in the real world, rather than social media. Keegan and Barton are just as entitled to their opinion as people who have the opposite view to them . Barton is a scumbag who would be sharing a cell with his racist thug of a brother if he hadn't been good at football. Of course he's entitled to his opinion as people are entitled to challenge him back. It's Barton "living his life on Twitter" like everyone else replying to him................... As a compassionate liberal shouldn't you be understanding of people from deprived backgrounds and communities who end up getting into crime as a result of their surroundings? Or is that only certain types of criminals?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 13, 2023 11:35:11 GMT
My opinion, not that anyone wants to hear it, is that men commentate on men’s football and women commentate on women’s football. As for pundits I don’t really care, it’s just opinionated chatter and anyone from any sex, race or whatever is free to an opinion. The art of commentary is a completely different beast and for me I’ve never listened to a female commentator I like. Bit to be honest the decent male commentators are few and far between. Barton said a lot of stuff that a lot of Brits are thinking but too afraid to say. Commentators and pundits should absolutely be awarded the role based on ability and not sex or race. Same applies to any role. His knitting and fart references were merely to get clicks and it worked. He was subsequently awarded an interview with probably the most famous journalist on TV. He's both brave and courageous for speaking out about the insanity of awarding contracts because they fit in with the woke agenda. This is just the start of the debate and it's fantastic that Joey Barton has called out the madness for what it is. In much the same way that overloading men's sport with female pundits to tick boxes, we shouldn't be overloading women's sport with men - it's totally unnecessary.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 13, 2023 12:05:11 GMT
Barton is a scumbag who would be sharing a cell with his racist thug of a brother if he hadn't been good at football. Of course he's entitled to his opinion as people are entitled to challenge him back. It's Barton "living his life on Twitter" like everyone else replying to him................... As a compassionate liberal shouldn't you be understanding of people from deprived backgrounds and communities who end up getting into crime as a result of their surroundings? Or is that only certain types of criminals? Sorry I forgot when he stubbed a cigar out in a fellow players eye, went to prison for affray, caused actual bodily harm to a fellow Man City team mate he was living in a two up two down in Huyton and not a mansion in Hale leading a privileged lifestyle. And when he kicked his wife in the head during a drunken row, she must have expressed an interest in becoming a football co-commentator...........
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Post by independent on Dec 13, 2023 12:36:21 GMT
He's stating what the vast majority are thinking though (regarding women pundits). Old fashioned? maybe but Id put money on Sky Soccer Saturday's viewing figures decreasing since they ceased being old fashioned. I haven't read all the rest of this thread but I don't think there is any evidence that the "vast majority" share his views, and I'd be very depressed if they did. Surely what matters is the quality and standard of the punditry or commentary, regardless of the gender of the person delivering it ? Some male pundits/commentators are better than some of their female counterparts, and some females doing that job are better than some of their male counterparts. Gender-based generalisations on this are completely inappropriate IMHO. Does Joey Barton object to male pundits or commentators on women's football or any other women's sport ? It also makes a complete mockery of his support for "Her Game Too". Just so I can have a listen to her and see if I agree, can you name a good female commentator for me please? Not pundit, commentator. I think it's just lazy to say that some women are better than some men at the job, and the reverse. Could this mean that the best woman is better than the worst man?, or the worst man is not as good as the worst women?. I think it is dishonest to ignore the fact that there is an agenda to normalise Women, and Minority Ethnicities and LGBT+ panellists, regardless of ability. If they are listenable okay, but most are inexperienced at the job and it shows. As for some of the accents, they are horrible and almost unintelligible. By the way, I think Kelly Cates and Gabby Logan are among the best presenters around.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Dec 13, 2023 14:14:51 GMT
Welcome to Stoke on Trent - where it's 1971 all day, every day 😅 Well, quite. Arguably 1871 in fact - Kinder, Küche, Kirche.
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