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Post by iglugluk on Dec 13, 2023 14:22:04 GMT
Women have every right to comment on the mens game, as long as a pundit is articulate and interesting who cares what gender they are? It's obvious. Barton is just operating an attention grabbing exercise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 14:25:59 GMT
As a compassionate liberal shouldn't you be understanding of people from deprived backgrounds and communities who end up getting into crime as a result of their surroundings? Or is that only certain types of criminals? Sorry I forgot when he stubbed a cigar out in a fellow players eye, went to prison for affray, caused actual bodily harm to a fellow Man City team mate he was living in a two up two down in Huyton and not a mansion in Hale leading a privileged lifestyle. And when he kicked his wife in the head during a drunken row, she must have expressed an interest in becoming a football co-commentator........... He did do some of those things and was rightly imprisoned by his own admission. Some of those things were misleading embroidered by the tabloids looking for clickbait ... eg a player poured alcoholic spirits over the back of the back of his shirt, in a bar , waited a few seconds for it to start evaporating, then lit with a cigarette lighter to set Barton's shirt on fire , for a laugh ( actually he didn't like barton ) , so for a laugh ( not really ) barton put his cigar out on the back of his shirt collar , the lad turned and got a cigar in the face ( but not eye ) . But a lovely story for the tabloids to embroider about the club Christmas party. With Barton the perfect pantomime villain. Because he has a working class , violent and criminal past , you can dig up loads of stories from the past about Barton,many true , but even the ultra woke BBC and pretty woke Oxford University, realise that the bloke has moved on . Hence being invited onto Question Time and invited to speak at Oxford University. I am glad he's invited to speak on Question Time and at Oxford University, it's nice to hear a different point of view for a change. Anyone who is even more woke than the BBC and Oxford University and regards Barton's opinion as so extreme it's not worth listening to, is very woke indeed.
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Post by independent on Dec 13, 2023 14:28:41 GMT
Women have every right to comment on the mens game, as long as a pundit is articulate and interesting who cares what gender they are? It's obvious. Barton is just operating an attention grabbing exercise. I have never seen anyone complain about Kelly Cates even though she has been on the tele for years. If her Gender was a problem then surely we would have had shedloads of complaints by now.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 13, 2023 14:29:52 GMT
My opinion, not that anyone wants to hear it, is that men commentate on men’s football and women commentate on women’s football. As for pundits I don’t really care, it’s just opinionated chatter and anyone from any sex, race or whatever is free to an opinion. The art of commentary is a completely different beast and for me I’ve never listened to a female commentator I like. Bit to be honest the decent male commentators are few and far between. most the women pundits and commentators in football are awful , but listen to cricket and theyre superb I do think though the 2 are very different though. In cricket it’s very slow paced and there’s a lot of discussion and humour whereas footy is very paced and description of the game. I do agree with you though.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Dec 13, 2023 15:31:19 GMT
My opinion, not that anyone wants to hear it, is that men commentate on men’s football and women commentate on women’s football. As for pundits I don’t really care, it’s just opinionated chatter and anyone from any sex, race or whatever is free to an opinion. The art of commentary is a completely different beast and for me I’ve never listened to a female commentator I like. Bit to be honest the decent male commentators are few and far between. Barton said a lot of stuff that a lot of Brits are thinking but too afraid to say. Commentators and pundits should absolutely be awarded the role based on ability and not sex or race. Same applies to any role. His knitting and fart references were merely to get clicks and it worked. He was subsequently awarded an interview with probably the most famous journalist on TV. He's both brave and courageous for speaking out about the insanity of awarding contracts because they fit in with the woke agenda. This is just the start of the debate and it's fantastic that Joey Barton has called out the madness for what it is. In much the same way that overloading men's sport with female pundits to tick boxes, we shouldn't be overloading women's sport with men - it's totally unnecessary. He may well be saying what a lot of “Brits “ are saying but that doesn’t make him right or necessarily be speaking for the majority. Barton isn’t brave or courageous at all - he knows exactly whose and which buttons he is pressing to carve out a platform of acolytes. That’s his living and in the internet and social media world we all live in there are opportunities for people with all sorts of views to make money from them. Positive discrimination is not madness at all. It’s a policy that benefited millions of people in this country and provided pioneers and role models for many in society who had their ambitions limited historically be they women, ethnic minorities or people with mental or physical impairment. Like you I would love to see all roles allocated on ability alone but you are kidding yourself if you think that is how it was. Until that glorious state is achieved I am quite happy for some to be temporarily and openly given a leg up for the benefit of all.
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Post by meltonjohn on Dec 13, 2023 15:48:29 GMT
Sorry I forgot when he stubbed a cigar out in a fellow players eye, went to prison for affray, caused actual bodily harm to a fellow Man City team mate he was living in a two up two down in Huyton and not a mansion in Hale leading a privileged lifestyle. And when he kicked his wife in the head during a drunken row, she must have expressed an interest in becoming a football co-commentator........... He did do some of those things and was rightly imprisoned by his own admission. Some of those things were misleading embroidered by the tabloids looking for clickbait ... eg a player poured alcoholic spirits over the back of the back of his shirt, in a bar , waited a few seconds for it to start evaporating, then lit with a cigarette lighter to set Barton's shirt on fire , for a laugh ( actually he didn't like barton ) , so for a laugh ( not really ) barton put his cigar out on the back of his shirt collar , the lad turned and got a cigar in the face ( but not eye ) . But a lovely story for the tabloids to embroider about the club Christmas party. With Barton the perfect pantomime villain. Because he has a working class , violent and criminal past , you can dig up loads of stories from the past about Barton,many true , but even the ultra woke BBC and pretty woke Oxford University, realise that the bloke has moved on . Hence being invited onto Question Time and invited to speak at Oxford University. I am glad he's invited to speak on Question Time and at Oxford University, it's nice to hear a different point of view for a change. Anyone who is even more woke than the BBC and Oxford University and regards Barton's opinion as so extreme it's not worth listening to, is very woke indeed. I presume by woke you mean anybody who has a different opinion to yourself? The guy has shown that although he was a good footballer he’s a plonker of a human being…..
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Post by meltonjohn on Dec 13, 2023 15:51:21 GMT
He’s a dinosaur with prehistoric attitudes. He certainly won’t be employable as a manager of any club hoping to motivate players and attract fans to watch them. Apart from right wing Neanderthals…..
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Post by meltonjohn on Dec 13, 2023 15:55:47 GMT
I’m proud of my working class background but not a fan of prejudiced and bitter ex footballers whose actions demonstrate that their IQ is lower than their shoe size
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Post by hoppo96 on Dec 13, 2023 16:02:30 GMT
You know the opinion isn't one that has strong foundations when a big chunk of the time spent by the person who's sprouting it is self-defence "I'm allowed an opinion" crap.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Dec 13, 2023 16:10:35 GMT
Barton said a lot of stuff that a lot of Brits are thinking but too afraid to say. Commentators and pundits should absolutely be awarded the role based on ability and not sex or race. Same applies to any role. His knitting and fart references were merely to get clicks and it worked. He was subsequently awarded an interview with probably the most famous journalist on TV. He's both brave and courageous for speaking out about the insanity of awarding contracts because they fit in with the woke agenda. This is just the start of the debate and it's fantastic that Joey Barton has called out the madness for what it is. In much the same way that overloading men's sport with female pundits to tick boxes, we shouldn't be overloading women's sport with men - it's totally unnecessary. He may well be saying what a lot of “Brits “ are saying but that doesn’t make him right or necessarily be speaking for the majority. Barton isn’t brave or courageous at all - he knows exactly whose and which buttons he is pressing to carve out a platform of acolytes. That’s his living and in the internet and social media world we all live in there are opportunities for people with all sorts of views to make money from them. Positive discrimination is not madness at all. It’s a policy that benefited millions of people in this country and provided pioneers and role models for many in society who had their ambitions limited historically be they women, ethnic minorities or people with mental or physical impairment. Like you I would love to see all roles allocated on ability alone but you are kidding yourself if you think that is how it was. Until that glorious state is achieved I am quite happy for some to be temporarily and openly given a leg up for the benefit of all. Nailed it. Some might argue that without a degree of "positive discrimination" (or you could call it "levelling the playing field") women would not be practising medicine, reporting from war-zones, chairing covid inquiries, and so on - and certainly not going into politics. Or, for that matter, running multi-billion pound on-line betting companies.
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Post by tejstokie on Dec 13, 2023 16:34:22 GMT
Thread scared me next to the next manager this afternoon. Whew.
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Post by independent on Dec 13, 2023 17:40:14 GMT
He may well be saying what a lot of “Brits “ are saying but that doesn’t make him right or necessarily be speaking for the majority. Barton isn’t brave or courageous at all - he knows exactly whose and which buttons he is pressing to carve out a platform of acolytes. That’s his living and in the internet and social media world we all live in there are opportunities for people with all sorts of views to make money from them. Positive discrimination is not madness at all. It’s a policy that benefited millions of people in this country and provided pioneers and role models for many in society who had their ambitions limited historically be they women, ethnic minorities or people with mental or physical impairment. Like you I would love to see all roles allocated on ability alone but you are kidding yourself if you think that is how it was. Until that glorious state is achieved I am quite happy for some to be temporarily and openly given a leg up for the benefit of all. Nailed it. Some might argue that without a degree of "positive discrimination" (or you could call it "levelling the playing field") women would not be practising medicine, reporting from war-zones, chairing covid inquiries, and so on - and certainly not going into politics. Or, for that matter, running multi-billion pound on-line betting companies. Some might argue anything, that doesn't mean they are right. Have you never heard of Marie Curie, or for that matter Florence Nightingale both born over 150 years ago. During World War II, wartime correspondents rushed to the frontlines to report on the battles, but only around 100 of them were women. Of those, only a handful, such as Martha Gellhorn, have received recognition over the years
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Post by str8outtahampton on Dec 14, 2023 11:11:45 GMT
Nailed it. Some might argue that without a degree of "positive discrimination" (or you could call it "levelling the playing field") women would not be practising medicine, reporting from war-zones, chairing covid inquiries, and so on - and certainly not going into politics. Or, for that matter, running multi-billion pound on-line betting companies. Some might argue anything, that doesn't mean they are right. Have you never heard of Marie Curie, or for that matter Florence Nightingale both born over 150 years ago. During World War II, wartime correspondents rushed to the frontlines to report on the battles, but only around 100 of them were women. Of those, only a handful, such as Martha Gellhorn, have received recognition over the years Ouch..! You're not by any chance a great-great-grandson (or daughter, we don't know) of Freddie Ayer or Bertie Russell are you?
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Post by independent on Dec 14, 2023 11:56:03 GMT
Some might argue anything, that doesn't mean they are right. Have you never heard of Marie Curie, or for that matter Florence Nightingale both born over 150 years ago. During World War II, wartime correspondents rushed to the frontlines to report on the battles, but only around 100 of them were women. Of those, only a handful, such as Martha Gellhorn, have received recognition over the years Ouch..! You're not by any chance a great-great-grandson (or daughter, we don't know) of Freddie Ayer or Bertie Russell are you? Just an old timer. I went easy on you, I didn't mention Lady Astor or Countess Markievicz in politics from the 1920s.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 14, 2023 12:16:36 GMT
Women have every right to comment on the mens game, as long as a pundit is articulate and interesting who cares what gender they are? It's obvious. Barton is just operating an attention grabbing exercise. I have never seen anyone complain about Kelly Cates even though she has been on the tele for years. If her Gender was a problem then surely we would have had shedloads of complaints by now. I've also never seen any of these posters ever once have the balls to say it to any of the female posters on here. They were all very quiet on the topic when Ange was co-commentator on Stoke games last year weren't they? Incidentally, I thought Ange was great on Radio Stoke and would MUCH rather have her do it every week than the current guy they've got doing main commentary (I don't tune in to listen to anecdotes about what he's had for lunch or what chocolates some lady has just given him. Ange actually talks about the game). They're only happy to do it and only have the balls to do it if they know the person they're slagging off won't actually read it. I find that pretty strange if they feel such conviction about being right in their opinion. Surely they'd have the courage to say it to all the women/girls that post on here if they were so right about their viewpoint? Such big, brave men aren't they.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 14, 2023 14:17:25 GMT
Sorry I forgot when he stubbed a cigar out in a fellow players eye, went to prison for affray, caused actual bodily harm to a fellow Man City team mate he was living in a two up two down in Huyton and not a mansion in Hale leading a privileged lifestyle. And when he kicked his wife in the head during a drunken row, she must have expressed an interest in becoming a football co-commentator........... He did do some of those things and was rightly imprisoned by his own admission. Some of those things were misleading embroidered by the tabloids looking for clickbait ... eg a player poured alcoholic spirits over the back of the back of his shirt, in a bar , waited a few seconds for it to start evaporating, then lit with a cigarette lighter to set Barton's shirt on fire , for a laugh ( actually he didn't like barton ) , so for a laugh ( not really ) barton put his cigar out on the back of his shirt collar , the lad turned and got a cigar in the face ( but not eye ) . Not to get involved but it was the lads eye, there's a photo knocking about somewhere (I won't link it).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 14:50:50 GMT
Barton said a lot of stuff that a lot of Brits are thinking but too afraid to say. Commentators and pundits should absolutely be awarded the role based on ability and not sex or race. Same applies to any role. His knitting and fart references were merely to get clicks and it worked. He was subsequently awarded an interview with probably the most famous journalist on TV. He's both brave and courageous for speaking out about the insanity of awarding contracts because they fit in with the woke agenda. This is just the start of the debate and it's fantastic that Joey Barton has called out the madness for what it is. In much the same way that overloading men's sport with female pundits to tick boxes, we shouldn't be overloading women's sport with men - it's totally unnecessary. He may well be saying what a lot of “Brits “ are saying but that doesn’t make him right or necessarily be speaking for the majority. Barton isn’t brave or courageous at all - he knows exactly whose and which buttons he is pressing to carve out a platform of acolytes. That’s his living and in the internet and social media world we all live in there are opportunities for people with all sorts of views to make money from them. Positive discrimination is not madness at all. It’s a policy that benefited millions of people in this country and provided pioneers and role models for many in society who had their ambitions limited historically be they women, ethnic minorities or people with mental or physical impairment. Like you I would love to see all roles allocated on ability alone but you are kidding yourself if you think that is how it was. Until that glorious state is achieved I am quite happy for some to be temporarily and openly given a leg up for the benefit of all. Positive discrimination is another word for discrimination
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Post by independent on Dec 14, 2023 16:28:10 GMT
I have never seen anyone complain about Kelly Cates even though she has been on the tele for years. If her Gender was a problem then surely we would have had shedloads of complaints by now. I've also never seen any of these posters ever once have the balls to say it to any of the female posters on here. They were all very quiet on the topic when Ange was co-commentator on Stoke games last year weren't they? Incidentally, I thought Ange was great on Radio Stoke and would MUCH rather have her do it every week than the current guy they've got doing main commentary (I don't tune in to listen to anecdotes about what he's had for lunch or what chocolates some lady has just given him. Ange actually talks about the game). They're only happy to do it and only have the balls to do it if they know the person they're slagging off won't actually read it. I find that pretty strange if they feel such conviction about being right in their opinion. Surely they'd have the courage to say it to all the women/girls that post on here if they were so right about their viewpoint? Such big, brave men aren't they. Perhaps it was because they also thought she was very good and were happy with her doing the job. They probably would also prefer her to the much criticised present guy. The present dud,by the way, wasn't criticised because of his gender, in case you think he was. It was because he is terrible at the job and I wouldn't like to see anyone of comparable ability being given a leg up , regardles of gender.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 14, 2023 16:33:29 GMT
I've also never seen any of these posters ever once have the balls to say it to any of the female posters on here. They were all very quiet on the topic when Ange was co-commentator on Stoke games last year weren't they? Incidentally, I thought Ange was great on Radio Stoke and would MUCH rather have her do it every week than the current guy they've got doing main commentary (I don't tune in to listen to anecdotes about what he's had for lunch or what chocolates some lady has just given him. Ange actually talks about the game). They're only happy to do it and only have the balls to do it if they know the person they're slagging off won't actually read it. I find that pretty strange if they feel such conviction about being right in their opinion. Surely they'd have the courage to say it to all the women/girls that post on here if they were so right about their viewpoint? Such big, brave men aren't they. Perhaps it was because they also thought she was very good and were happy with her doing the job. They probably would also prefer her to the much criticised present guy. The present dud,by the way, wasn't criticised because of his gender, in case you think he was. It was because he is terrible at the job and I wouldn't like to see anyone of comparable ability being given a leg up , regardles of gender.
Strangely enough, i'm not talking about those who agree it should be simply be a case of whether or not you are good at the job. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people would agree with that when it comes to any job in any industry. I'm talking about the actual thread and what Barton said and those who agree with Barton and simply think women commentators and/or female comments have no place in men's football (which there have been many of on this thread).
Where was their apparent disgust, vitriol and courage of their convictions then eh?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 14, 2023 16:44:02 GMT
He did do some of those things and was rightly imprisoned by his own admission. Some of those things were misleading embroidered by the tabloids looking for clickbait ... eg a player poured alcoholic spirits over the back of the back of his shirt, in a bar , waited a few seconds for it to start evaporating, then lit with a cigarette lighter to set Barton's shirt on fire , for a laugh ( actually he didn't like barton ) , so for a laugh ( not really ) barton put his cigar out on the back of his shirt collar , the lad turned and got a cigar in the face ( but not eye ) . Not to get involved but it was the lads eye, there's a photo knocking about somewhere (I won't link it).
Even Barton himself said it was his eyelid, not just "in the face" but hey, let's let Kingsman literally make up facts that Barton himself isn't even aware of.
Oh, his excuse for that was that he was only intending to stub it out on the back of his head....so that's fine then. Y'know, everyone else is doing it to clothing but Barton thinks "Nah, i'll actually burn his flesh instead". Perfectly normal reaction isn't it?
Oh, Barton also admitted that he'd set fire to Tandy's outfit a few hours earlier as all the players had been doing it to each other for a laugh and admitted he knew Tandy was therefore just getting him back. Admittedly only one person reacted in the way Barton did to this japery (that he himself had been fully a part of) but that's fine because posters on the Oatcake will just ignore what Barton himself has said and just make shit up to make him seem like a victim, even though Joey says himself that his reasoning of why he did it is still "unknown" to him to this day.
"So it was the seniors who started it, just burning the edge of it. In five or ten minutes it went round the whole group and then it stopped."
"I'd burned Tandy's costume. Someone had got me, and then I'd burned Tandy - no malice in it."
"So for some bizarre reason unknown to me this day, I thought it would be a fantastic idea as a payback to him to stump the cigar out on the back of his head. That was the logic, makes no sense now, but at the time, a burn for a burn, he's getting this on the back of his head."
What a gent!
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Dec 14, 2023 17:14:42 GMT
He may well be saying what a lot of “Brits “ are saying but that doesn’t make him right or necessarily be speaking for the majority. Barton isn’t brave or courageous at all - he knows exactly whose and which buttons he is pressing to carve out a platform of acolytes. That’s his living and in the internet and social media world we all live in there are opportunities for people with all sorts of views to make money from them. Positive discrimination is not madness at all. It’s a policy that benefited millions of people in this country and provided pioneers and role models for many in society who had their ambitions limited historically be they women, ethnic minorities or people with mental or physical impairment. Like you I would love to see all roles allocated on ability alone but you are kidding yourself if you think that is how it was. Until that glorious state is achieved I am quite happy for some to be temporarily and openly given a leg up for the benefit of all. Positive discrimination is another word for discrimination You are correct to point out that discrimination has a singular meaning but I would point out that I have used a two word phrase. The addition of the word positive before the word discrimination implies a different dimension to other forms of discrimination that may exist. Actually positive discrimination is illegal. I was careless in my use of language - I should have used the term positive action, which is what I meant , and that is indeed legal.
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Post by chinesedave on Dec 14, 2023 18:02:53 GMT
He’s a dinosaur with prehistoric attitudes. He certainly won’t be employable as a manager of any club hoping to motivate players and attract fans to watch them. Apart from right wing Neanderthals…..
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Post by chinesedave on Dec 14, 2023 18:03:56 GMT
If he's a dinosaur then we should recruit him asap.
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Post by skip on Dec 14, 2023 18:43:35 GMT
I am glad he's invited to speak on Question Time and at Oxford University, it's nice to hear a different point of view for a change. Anyone who is even more woke than the BBC and Oxford University and regards Barton's opinion as so extreme it's not worth listening to, is very woke indeed. There is shag all 'woke' about Question Time, and the Oxford University debating society has over time had guest speakers that make Joey Barton sound like a suffragette.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 14, 2023 19:05:30 GMT
I’m always fascinated about deleted accounts. Why do people do it? I’ve thought about it a few times but luckily for you lot I’m still here😀
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Post by figo85 on Dec 14, 2023 19:07:04 GMT
Barton is a tit and is only being controversial to enable his fledgling media career to be saved by some right wing media group, and a podcast for twats.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 19:14:32 GMT
He’s gonna have a melt down when he realises that a woman will be reffing a premier league game on the 23rd.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 14, 2023 21:02:19 GMT
He’s gonna have a melt down when he realises that a woman will be reffing a premier league game on the 23rd. Who cares what race and gender a ref is. If they’re good enough they’re good enough and they should also expect the same abuse refs get every single week if they’re wank. But the point is, people point all this gender and race stuff out but does anybody really know how many women and black people actually apply for these jobs? Nope
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 14, 2023 21:04:33 GMT
He’s gonna have a melt down when he realises that a woman will be reffing a premier league game on the 23rd. To be fair to him he might wait until she’s reffed a match then make something up she’s done wrong and then go on tv to complain about it.
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Post by 1982stokie on Dec 14, 2023 21:22:35 GMT
Any Job should go to the best candidate choosing anyone based on race or gender is just counter productive
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