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Post by independent on Dec 8, 2023 0:20:03 GMT
The figures might be interesting but they would never see the light of day. Newsnight on BBC2 became almost a men free zone as regards presenters. Audience figures collapsed and continued to do so till it was impossible to conceal. They are now shortening the programme and letting a lot of staff go. People do sometimes vote with their feet.It would be interesting to see how much Sky Sports figures have increased on a Sat. afternoon, since they reorganised the show.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 8, 2023 1:46:31 GMT
Perhaps the options to give people a choice in relation to commentary using the red button 1- all male commentary 2- Mixed commentary 3- Female commentary Then you could please everyone. The figures would be very interesting and because your choice would be anonymous it would give sky / bbc a good idea of what the majority want. You’re missing the “I don’t give a shit as long as they are competent” option, which I suspect would win by a landslide
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Post by leegthestokie90 on Dec 8, 2023 2:54:43 GMT
Joey spot on facts talking to piers Morgan
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Post by foster on Dec 8, 2023 5:58:22 GMT
He should be able to say what he likes and deal with the replies if he’s posting it on Twatter. I don’t really have time for any pundits. I like to watch Roy Keane after Man United have been bummed but that’s about it. Fixed it for you mate. For some reason you used too many words. Your grammar could use a bit of work too.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 8, 2023 7:29:21 GMT
Perhaps the options to give people a choice in relation to commentary using the red button 1- all male commentary 2- Mixed commentary 3- Female commentary Then you could please everyone. The figures would be very interesting and because your choice would be anonymous it would give sky / bbc a good idea of what the majority want. You’re missing the “I don’t give a shit as long as they are competent” option, which I suspect would win by a landslide This. And it’s why I’m not supportive of Barton’s argument. He’s gone full on women vs men, but it shouldn’t be that. It should be, are they good enough, enough experience, tell us something we don’t know. AI could commentate for all I care as long as they are adding meaningful debate.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2023 9:16:17 GMT
Perhaps the options to give people a choice in relation to commentary using the red button 1- all male commentary 2- Mixed commentary 3- Female commentary Then you could please everyone. The figures would be very interesting and because your choice would be anonymous it would give sky / bbc a good idea of what the majority want. Maybe people that are just offended by anything and everything should just stay in bed and let the rest of us get on with lives.........
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 8, 2023 9:23:44 GMT
Mixed football beyond social or charity ganes will never happen. That's just paranoia. As for the other aspects how would you propose to accommodate those who are perfectly happy for women who are good at what they do to commentate, officiate, provide medical advice or business acumen? Perhaps broadcasters could provide alternative commentaries for those who wish to live in the 1950's while grounds should have at least one segregated stand. Quite ironic that someone who suggests there is Mysoginistic undertones in anyone being against the feminisation of the men’s sport has a username - “Seymour Beaver.” Hilarious Fella, Keep up the good work 😂 Ho hum - never mind answering the question. Tell you what - I'll change it to Seymour Cox just for you ..Matelot 😘 As for the 'feminisation' of mens sport - as you put it -I wouldn't half like to give Denise the chance of running SCFC full time ahead of her underachieving brother. Then we might see what 'feminisation' could do for us.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 8, 2023 9:37:12 GMT
The funniest (or saddest) part about this is that those backing Barton are the first ones who'll yell "Snowflake" at anything and everything.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2023 9:45:57 GMT
The funniest (or saddest) part about this is that those backing Barton are the first ones who'll yell "Snowflake" at anything and everything. Those that bang on about "cancel culture" are usually the first to bleat that someone or something should be cancelled. Those that shout "snowflake" are generally the most offended people I know. Those that shout "woke" generally don't even know what the definition of woke actually is. It makes me laugh.............
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Post by retrostoke on Dec 8, 2023 9:47:41 GMT
Perhaps the options to give people a choice in relation to commentary using the red button 1- all male commentary 2- Mixed commentary 3- Female commentary Then you could please everyone. The figures would be very interesting and because your choice would be anonymous it would give sky / bbc a good idea of what the majority want. You’re missing the “I don’t give a shit as long as they are competent” option, which I suspect would win by a landslide My preferred option. One competent commentator and one “expert” in the studio who can sum up in 15 minutes. Any gender. Just be decent. Then move on. There are so many people on Sky now for correctness not ability it’s embarrassing. Robert Earnshaw
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Post by danceswithclams on Dec 8, 2023 10:53:56 GMT
Welcome to Stoke on Trent - where it's 1971 all day, every day 😅
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 11:29:21 GMT
You’re missing the “I don’t give a shit as long as they are competent” option, which I suspect would win by a landslide This. And it’s why I’m not supportive of Barton’s argument. He’s gone full on women vs men, but it shouldn’t be that. It should be, are they good enough, enough experience, tell us something we don’t know. AI could commentate for all I care as long as they are adding meaningful debate. The best commentary is the one on mute. It’s so much easier to form an opinion of a game when you don’t have some inane drivel in your ear telling you what you can see with your own two eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 11:40:57 GMT
Thing is though he's right isn't he, non of them actually sound like a commentator, it's just box ticking woke bollocks. Fair play to him actually having the bollocks to stand up and actually say something cause everyone is scared with the way the woke brigade are these days. "woke, woke, woke, woke" ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/MGmnFOZRFRo4w/giphy.gif) I agree. As if Sky et al are going to care less about “woke” unless “woke” = more money. They are a business, they care about their profit margins and nothing else. How saturated is the male market? I’d imagine pretty high. There’s unlikely to be a 30 year old man sitting at home who suddenly likes football because he finds a person on tv interesting. There is a whole generation of young girls out there who would likely watch football more if they saw people similar to them involved in it. These people are future subscribers = money. Are boys going to just stop watching football because of it? Seems unlikely.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2023 12:37:20 GMT
Just what on earth are you talking about? I respect Barton for being willing to say what he thinks. Even though what he thinks is not politically correct, not woke and not playing the game . Good for him. I remember I read Eddie Izzard's autobiography, which is very honest . I enjoyed it and I genuinely like Eddie Izzard. Izzard explained that his dad was chief accountant of British Petroleum ( BP) , he went to public ( private ) school was white upper upper middle class ( basically loaded) blah blah Starting off , he realised that he did not want to be walking on the stage at the comedy club , the Hammersmith Apollo , stand up for comedy etc and genuinely telling people in all sincerity he was posh, white , loaded , privileged etc in his best public school accent . Whilst honest and true, he reckoned that wasn't a winner career wise . So he tells people to call him sally Izzard , wears women's clothes etc etc That's fine. I reckon he made a good call career wise . But it's not necessary for everyone to be like Eddie Izzard. I can like the ultra woke , ultra politically correct, ultra "right on" Eddie Izzard And like the anti woke Joey Barton. I like them both, think they are both intelligent and neither is a ' stupid stupid man' or a ' scumbag ' Barton is a scumbag though, and not because of anything to do with his views on women in football.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2023 13:06:42 GMT
I think he's just ranting incoherent nonsense now.......
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 8, 2023 13:16:07 GMT
It easy for me, I think the prat who does the commentary on Radio Joke is useless. If he was replaced by a woman who was better, and it would be difficult to be worse, I would be more than happy
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 8, 2023 13:17:42 GMT
Welcome to Stoke on Trent - where it's 1971 all day, every day 😅 Anyone know what time 'The Comedians' is on tonight, I forget to order my TV Times this week.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 8, 2023 13:20:01 GMT
He’s lost the plot tbf now.
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Post by skip on Dec 8, 2023 13:25:26 GMT
Welcome to Stoke on Trent - where it's 1971 all day, every day 😅 "1971 Medium Wave. Don't touch that dial, yoth."
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 8, 2023 13:29:50 GMT
I think he's just ranting incoherent nonsense now....... It looks he's found his audience who are happy to champion him, and he's just riding off the adrenalin that comes which that status, like some kind of psychotic, delusional guru figure. All making out they are victims of one thing or another. Interesting how people think he's somehow being courageous or brave when he's just mostly slagging people off on social media from his warm comfy sofa probably.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 8, 2023 15:15:24 GMT
How's he gone from the validity of women commenting on men's football to naked pictures and broken marriages.
There are women working alonside men in every workplace imaginable without us all having a meltdown- what makes footballers a special case? Or is it just you that can't cope with it Joey?
Either the bloke's a feckin' idiot or he's going for the Andrew Tate market while that other obnoxious Dickhead is off air.
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 8, 2023 15:29:09 GMT
How's he gone from the validity of women commenting on men's football to naked pictures and broken marriages. There are women working alonside men in every workplace imaginable without us all having a meltdown- what makes footballers a special case? Or is it just you that can't cope with it Joey? Either the bloke's a feckin' idiot or he's going for the Andrew Tate market while that other obnoxious Dickhead is off air. Well he’s never been the sharpest tool has he? He thinks he’s very intelligent but the facts don’t bear that out do they? He’s basically an arse who sadly has quite a platform from which he can spread nonsense far and wide - and not just on this particular post or topic either - have heard him several times now coming out with similarly deranged comments.
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 8, 2023 15:34:48 GMT
He should be free to his opinion without fear of it affecting his career. He was clumsy in what he was saying but he is only saying what many don’t have the balls to. Womens football is a different game and should be a completely different entity. Womens commentary on men’s football however is different and a matter of taste. Media meddling into the norms of the men’s game is the problem here. Give it 5 - 10years before we see Women included in men’s teams. Well nah I don’t really agree. There are some absolute bellend male commentators out there that annoy the shit out of me, and there are some female ones too. If I had the choice between a good female commentator and Jim Beglin for example - I’d give my left bollock not to have to listen to his inane shit ‘analysis’. But on the other hand, the best scenario (in my opinion and to my taste) is to have at least one ex player who’s played at that level (for mens football it should be a man).
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2023 15:39:07 GMT
One of these days he'll get an anecdote right..........
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Post by gaznandi on Dec 8, 2023 15:44:29 GMT
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 8, 2023 15:49:33 GMT
One of these days he'll get an anecdote right.......... This is brilliant. 'Anyone that watched that who has any knowledge of football', except the point he's made on X is because she's a female she has less understanding of the game, so not anyone but men. As you said, he will know his argument makes no sense but he's just trying to find an audience which wonderful humans like Piers are able to supply to him.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 8, 2023 15:57:57 GMT
One of these days he'll get an anecdote right.......... This is brilliant. 'Anyone that watched that who has any knowledge of football', except the point he's made on X is because she's a female she has less understanding of the game, so not anyone but men. As you said, he will know his argument makes no sense but he's just trying to find an audience which wonderful humans like Piers are able to supply to him. 'Anyone that watched that who has any knowledge of the actual commentary'!!! The guys an embarrassment really. Imagine going on National TV and totally misquoting someone to make your point when he could have spent half a minute checking whether he was going to make a dick of himself first! What the hell is Morgan doing giving this guy any airtime if he cant be arsed to make a coherent argument.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 8, 2023 16:23:21 GMT
One of these days he'll get an anecdote right.......... Am I missing something here? What’s he ballsed up on? (Other than his general thoughts).
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 8, 2023 16:49:45 GMT
One of these days he'll get an anecdote right.......... Am I missing something here? What’s he ballsed up on? (Other than his general thoughts). It’s a link to a tweet showing his interview with Piers Morgan. He complains about a female commentator talking about a Liverpool player (Endo) scoring a goal with his laces. Goes on to explain that anyone who knows anything knew it was with the side of his foot. Cuts to the clip showing the goal and the commentary. Endo does score with his side foot. Commentator actually said (paraphrasing) - it would’ve been easy for the player to put his laces through it and smash it over the bar but he doesn’t, he places it in the top corner with his side foot. I doubt he was corrected for being factually incorrect, nor for being an all round dickhead.
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Post by Pottersfan on Dec 8, 2023 16:57:30 GMT
I listend to his podcast. The blokes a liar and a bellend.
Saying that. Much prefer men commentators
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