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Post by march4 on Dec 15, 2023 13:01:16 GMT
I’m confused.
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Post by mcw on Dec 15, 2023 13:01:46 GMT
I doubt very much that Eustace would turn down other offers to take a role that only guarantees him to the end of the season? Smells like BS to me.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 15, 2023 13:01:50 GMT
So is the Schumi betting surge to be the last bit of fun before the SJE unveiling?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 13:02:26 GMT
Don't know who this person is. Got 5k followers, and appears to support Cardiff? But no obvious signs of being a WUM I don't believe he even applied but if he did, a manager of his background is this really that unreasonable? "Stoke spoke with Nuno but he wanted 3 years, big salary and his own backroom staff. #SCFC" I don’t think it’s true but if it is, not being able to afford him is hardly something we can do anything about.
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Post by mcw on Dec 15, 2023 13:02:44 GMT
Eustace can dust off his boots and play in midfield v WBA
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Post by peterthornesboots on Dec 15, 2023 13:03:16 GMT
126 pages and we are still no closer to knowing who the next manager will be.
Too many people on here are taking rumours and random Tweets at face value. 😅
STEVE BRUCE INCOMING!!!
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 15, 2023 13:03:48 GMT
I don't believe he even applied but if he did, a manager of his background is this really that unreasonable? "Stoke spoke with Nuno but he wanted 3 years, big salary and his own backroom staff. #SCFC" I don’t think it’s true but if it is, not being able to afford him is hardly something we can do anything about. Surely they know this before they speak to him,must have an idea
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Post by baconburger on Dec 15, 2023 13:04:28 GMT
So Coates didn't want to give Nuno time,pay him what he is worth and wanted to make him work with our failed backroom staff. You get what you pay for, Coates wants a Rolls Royce for the price of a Skoda. Kind of contradicting yourself in your little pique of anger. If he's that good he's worth so much why does he need to bring a tribe of hangers on with him? 1 assistant no more.
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Post by pyrus on Dec 15, 2023 13:04:35 GMT
Hello old friends. Haven’t posted for a few years, but this subject has drawn me back in. This is what we know: Manager | Games | Win Rate | Points/Game | NES | 463 | 49.7% | 1.16 | Eustace | 173 | 45.1% | 1.57 | Schumacher | 107 | 52.3% | 1.76 | Carsley | 52 | 61.5% | 1.94
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Alex Neil’s stats are: Manager | Games | Win Rate | Points/Game | Neil | 466 | 41.4% | 1.47 |
Conclusions: Young managers have halo stats - I guess they have to do well at the outset to stay in the job long enough. Neil’s stats at Hamilton were great too. The numbers favour Carsley, except he has only managed 52 games with ‘elite’ players at that level. It’s a big risk throwing him into a complicated situation like Stoke. Nuno’s reputation may outstrip the reality I don’t know much about Schumacher, but that’s where my vote goes. We need wins more than solid performances.
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Post by miltonpotter on Dec 15, 2023 13:05:13 GMT
It’s close and it’s not the bearded one dude to his demands.. You just saying what the lad on twatter has said? Yeah I always see the exact team the day before on Twitter also.
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Post by mano00001 on Dec 15, 2023 13:06:08 GMT
JE until the end of season. Just proves we have failed again a managerial search.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 15, 2023 13:06:16 GMT
Don't know who this person is. Got 5k followers, and appears to support Cardiff? But no obvious signs of being a WUM I don't believe he even applied but if he did, a manager of his background is this really that unreasonable? "Stoke spoke with Nuno but he wanted 3 years, big salary and his own backroom staff. #SCFC" So would anyone starting a "project". We do have another tranche of contract negotiations this summer. Quiet a high percentage will be not here. So most will be on holiday by new year. If thats true, all that says to me is we don't want to start a project this season. That's depressing. Are they hoping the fans will turn up to watch the intervening period packed with enthusiasm?
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Post by vinnyoverson on Dec 15, 2023 13:07:08 GMT
It’s close and it’s not the bearded one dude to his demands.. What’s close? SJE?
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Post by march4 on Dec 15, 2023 13:08:47 GMT
If it’s to the end of the season, it isn’t going to be a younger manager who has his eye on the future.
That doesn’t make sense.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 15, 2023 13:08:49 GMT
IF Nuno was interested and it's not happened then it is disappointing. You'd hope there was maybe some middle ground that could have been met but, for all we know, it was always a non-starter, or there's a structure that can't be broken too much in terms of staff/how he works.
I know in an ideal world we'd like to just say "fuck it, do whatever to make it happen" but who knows our budget, what he wanted, and how much we wanted him originally?
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Post by baconburger on Dec 15, 2023 13:08:55 GMT
Hello old friends. Haven’t posted for a few years, but this subject has drawn me back in. This is what we know: Manager | Games | Win Rate | Points/Game | NES | 463 | 49.7% | 1.16 | Eustace | 173 | 45.1% | 1.57 | Schumacher | 107 | 52.3% | 1.76 | Carsley | 52 | 61.5% | 1.94
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Alex Neil’s stats are: Manager | Games | Win Rate | Points/Game | Neil | 466 | 41.4% | 1.47 |
Conclusions: Young managers have halo stats - I guess they have to do well at the outset to stay in the job long enough. Neil’s stats at Hamilton were great too. The numbers favour Carsley, except he has only managed 52 games with ‘elite’ players at that level. It’s a big risk throwing him into a complicated situation like Stoke.
Nuno’s reputation may outstrip the reality I don’t know much about Schumacher, but that’s where my vote goes. We need wins more than solid performances. The numbers favour Carsley because they're internationals with loads of soft fixtures and are next to meaningless.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 15, 2023 13:11:19 GMT
Wander over next Saturday and tell him the statement, followed by the delay, followed by the actions are a load of irrational messages, Marchy. The words and potential actions make no logical sense.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 15, 2023 13:11:26 GMT
I really don't mind Eustace at all but until the end of the season sounds plain mental. I'll be pissed off if that is the case, which I can't see it being.
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Post by Wizbit on Dec 15, 2023 13:11:56 GMT
Theres no way SJE is going to be on a end od season deal .... makes no sense
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Post by baconburger on Dec 15, 2023 13:13:31 GMT
If it’s to the end of the season, it isn’t going to be a younger manager who has his eye on the future. That doesn’t make sense. Certainly not from their point of view. From the clubs perspective it's try before you buy but I would have thought he'd get an offer that gave more security elsewhere.
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 15, 2023 13:14:24 GMT
I really don't mind Eustace at all but until the end of the season sounds plain mental. I'll be pissed off if that is the case, which I can't see it being. Unless they are waiting to see if he keeps us up or not, not much faith, If thats the case and obviously not wanting to pay him off if he gets the boot
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Post by stokief on Dec 15, 2023 13:15:08 GMT
Might aswell have kept Gally and Shawx in charge. How utterly predictable and thoroughly mediocre. SJE cant save us this season I'm afraid. What utter cr@p. He'll wish he'd never took it on. I'm happy as always to be proved wrong
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 15, 2023 13:15:35 GMT
Theres no way SJE is going to be on a end od season deal .... makes no sense Exactly post jan transfer window may be , but now ??
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Post by andystokey on Dec 15, 2023 13:16:22 GMT
I really don't mind Eustace at all but until the end of the season sounds plain mental. I'll be pissed off if that is the case, which I can't see it being. Unless they are waiting to see if he keeps us up or not, not much faith, If thats the case and obviously not wanting to pay him off if he gets the boot People with a strategy don't need to do that though. Stinks to me of being caught out and needing 6 months to decide what next.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 15, 2023 13:18:16 GMT
Theres no way SJE is going to be on a end od season deal .... makes no sense Exactly post jan transfer window may be , but now ?? Who chooses players in that window and for what end? You can have a few loans SJE.
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Post by callas12 on Dec 15, 2023 13:19:10 GMT
If any truth to this end of the season proposal to see where we are, sounds very Paul Lambert mk2 scenario to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 13:20:13 GMT
That can't be right? You appoint Warnock until the end of the season, not someone like Eustace.
I'm calling horseshit on that one.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 15, 2023 13:21:06 GMT
Might aswell have kept Gally and Shawx in charge. How utterly predictable and thoroughly mediocre. SJE cant save us this season I'm afraid. What utter cr@p. He'll wish he'd never took it on. I'm happy as always to be proved wrong After that negative pathetic selection of his for the last game I really don't want Gally for another game. I've never seen a manager put out a team with such a lack of firepower Pulis included. It was fucking pathetic.
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 15, 2023 13:22:01 GMT
That can't be right? You appoint Warnock until the end of the season, not someone like Eustace. I'm calling horseshit on that one. If it's true, it's the ideal "try before you buy" arrangement. He'd be absolutely fucking bonkers and desperate to accept that though!
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 15, 2023 13:22:31 GMT
I had high hopes for this managerial chase this time yesterday as well.
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