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Post by raythesailor on Jan 14, 2024 22:25:40 GMT
Surely not.
I have no idea of the interactives of FFP and PL rules but a further
Points reduction following their spirited recovery (so far) must surely be against all football fans sense of fair play and injustice, which could have major repercussions throughout the game.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 14, 2024 22:32:29 GMT
Surely not. I have no idea of the interactives of FFP and PL rules but a further Points reduction following their spirited recovery (so far) must surely be against all football fans sense of fair play and injustice, which could have major repercussions throughout the game. To be honest I have zero sympathy for them when we are worrying about spending a couple of million on a striker because of FFP. A few years in the hell hole of the championship will teach them some humility |
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 14, 2024 22:41:13 GMT
Wolves are also looking at a points deduction apparently.
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Post by flea79 on Jan 14, 2024 23:13:16 GMT
Apparently a 15 point deduction for Everton and 10
For forest…
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Post by Scouse on Jan 14, 2024 23:31:43 GMT
Everton were expecting this .. as it’s the 2023 aspect of their case .. which is one of the reasons why they feel aggrieved at the size of the earlier punishment ..and just importantly how the points deduction was calculated ..in effect if they failed that , they’d likely fail this ..though it remains to be seen if they are charged , then what any punishment will be and how that punishment will also be calculated , not least when the findings of Everton case says they didn’t sought to gain an unfair advantage .. what’s the punishment if they had
And given that they expect to do transfer business this window ..in and out
Tho it does beg the question why with Man City facing a reported 115 breaches / charges .. and therefore presumably an even more complicated and contested case , then why haven’t at least some of those charges already reached conclusion
Unfortunately although fans can be blamed a little for constantly expecting / demanding new and more costly players each transfer window to try to compete with their more commercially / financially abled rivals .. it’s a bit like a kid asking for new and expensive toys , clothes all the time just because their friends with richer parents have them ..it’s up to the parents , club owners / CEO to say no
Personally I’m inclined to take the view the size of debt ( loss ) shouldn’t be the punisher ..but rather if you fail to service that debt both inside and outside football as agreed .
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Post by RF10 on Jan 14, 2024 23:40:23 GMT
If it's over a 3 year period and Forest have only been in Premier League since last year I don't understand how they can face charges?
While they heavily spent last season they could potentially recoup the money over the course of remaining 2 years to put them under 105 million threshold.
At what point will this threshold be risen given the ever growing Transfer fees caused the the big spending 'top clubs'. Had transfer fees not been so high then these clubs may not have been facing any charges.
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Post by deeside2 on Jan 15, 2024 6:47:29 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 15, 2024 8:02:55 GMT
It’s that much of a farce they’ll probably get an additional 6 point deduction today, then get their original 10 point deduction reduced to 4 on appeal…..
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Post by andystokey on Jan 15, 2024 8:09:55 GMT
Man City will simply spend millions of pounds delaying their cases through countless appeals, counter appeals and questions.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 15, 2024 8:28:43 GMT
I’ll forever stand by FFP being a complete load of arse.
This and VAR are dry bumming football to death.
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Post by phileetin on Jan 15, 2024 9:22:04 GMT
Dry bumming is a concept or term i'm not familiar with but it conjures some weird images .
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 15, 2024 9:39:52 GMT
Dry bumming is a concept or term i'm not familiar with but it conjures some weird images . Get a brioche roll and shove it through a letterbox. You’re halfway there then. |
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Post by insect on Jan 15, 2024 10:13:12 GMT
Not sure about the rights or wrongs about more points being deducted for Everton. But please. Let it be true 👍
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Post by Scouse on Jan 15, 2024 11:06:59 GMT
There’s rumours that Man City’s have agreed for their case to be heard and decided upon after August , when a rule change is reportedly to come into operation that will nullify their charges |
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Post by baconburger on Jan 15, 2024 11:28:09 GMT
It’s being discussed in the mainstream media now (BBC) now. Looks more likely than not now that there is something in it.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jan 15, 2024 11:37:37 GMT
If clubs have breached the rules then they deserve to be punished accordingly.
There may be many flaws to them but they're informed well in advance and know full well what they involve.
It's not fair on the vast majority of clubs that have no issues in falling below the threshold - see Brighton and Bournemouth in particular.
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Post by deeside2 on Jan 15, 2024 11:38:31 GMT
What an absolute farce. Yet we and many other clubs are in a financial straightjacket and are consequently unable to spend what we want, which would presumably still be a fraction of what Citeh and Chelsea have done.
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Post by Scouse on Jan 15, 2024 12:15:18 GMT
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Post by Scouse on Jan 15, 2024 12:36:54 GMT
It’s being discussed in the mainstream media now (BBC) now. Looks more likely than not now that there is something in it. Premier clubs had to submit their FFP accounts by Dec 31 as far as I understand .. it’s why as far as I’ve been able to understand and follow up here Everton expected to fail back in October ..today is supposedly D day when clubs are informed .. it’s no surprise to them or their fans The way penalties are decided upon seems to be one of the main conventions ..having moved from fines see brighton and Bournemouth to effectively relegation threatening sized point deductions |
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Post by march4 on Jan 15, 2024 13:56:51 GMT
I’ll forever stand by FFP being a complete load of arse. This and VAR are dry bumming football to death. Plus the ridiculous transfer windows. All need scrapping immediately. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 15, 2024 13:58:43 GMT
I’ll forever stand by FFP being a complete load of arse. This and VAR are dry bumming football to death. Plus the ridiculous transfer windows. All need scrapping immediately. Transfer windows were made for TV. There is no justifiable reason for their existence. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 15, 2024 14:03:08 GMT
If it's over a 3 year period and Forest have only been in Premier League since last year I don't understand how they can face charges? While they heavily spent last season they could potentially recoup the money over the course of remaining 2 years to put them under 105 million threshold. At what point will this threshold be risen given the ever growing Transfer fees caused the the big spending 'top clubs'. Had transfer fees not been so high then these clubs may not have been facing any charges. They posted accounts for the previous two years while in the Championship though. As with Villa a few years back it was so important for them to get promoted or they'd have had a hefty points deduction from the EFL. It's why some clubs break EFL rules in the hope they'll avoid punishment by getting promoted to the Premier where they are allowed to make a much bigger loss. If Forest overspent enough in those two seasons to not even comply with Premier rules then they deserve what they get. |
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Post by RF10 on Jan 15, 2024 15:34:29 GMT
If it's over a 3 year period and Forest have only been in Premier League since last year I don't understand how they can face charges? While they heavily spent last season they could potentially recoup the money over the course of remaining 2 years to put them under 105 million threshold. At what point will this threshold be risen given the ever growing Transfer fees caused the the big spending 'top clubs'. Had transfer fees not been so high then these clubs may not have been facing any charges. They posted accounts for the previous two years while in the Championship though. As with Villa a few years back it was so important for them to get promoted or they'd have had a hefty points deduction from the EFL. It's why some clubs break EFL rules in the hope they'll avoid punishment by getting promoted to the Premier where they are allowed to make a much bigger loss. If Forest overspent enough in those two seasons to not even comply with Premier rules then they deserve what they get. I always assumed that the punishments handed out by Premier League and EFL were solely dependent on the league they were in. As said above the whole thing is a farce anyway given the ever rising costs of transfers and salaries. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 15:45:39 GMT
Dry bumming is a concept or term i'm not familiar with but it conjures some weird images . You ever seen someone snap a Banjo string? |
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Post by hamsta2 on Jan 15, 2024 16:29:51 GMT
Looks like Everton and Forest have been charged according to Percy on Twitter.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 15, 2024 16:40:03 GMT
Dry bumming is a concept or term i'm not familiar with but it conjures some weird images . You ever seen someone snap a Banjo string?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 16:41:44 GMT
Looks like Everton and Forest have been charged according to Percy on Twitter. |
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Post by lordb on Jan 15, 2024 17:17:50 GMT
Plus the ridiculous transfer windows. All need scrapping immediately. Transfer windows were made for TV. There is no justifiable reason for their existence. It was supposedly to give managers/head coaches more control it doesn't do that does it get rid of them |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jan 15, 2024 17:22:09 GMT
Plus the ridiculous transfer windows. All need scrapping immediately. Transfer windows were made for TV. There is no justifiable reason for their existence. I like transfer windows but I do also watch tv a lot 🤷♂️ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 17:28:27 GMT
There’s rumours that Man City’s have agreed for their case to be heard and decided upon after August , when a rule change is reportedly to come into operation that will nullify their charges Do the rule changes essentially equate to formalizing the current agreement that Man City can do whatever they like as long as the right people get money in the right accounts? |
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