Tchamadeu

[yellowsnowman]

I like the kid, needs to be at rb perhaps tho quick and strong. Can only get better bit like junho.

[Paul Spencer]

Dec 13, 2023 0:58:27 GMT @cvillestokie said:

Dec 13, 2023 0:56:17 GMT Paul Spencer said:

It was 4231.

Johnson and Junior were either side of Laurent in the three.

I wouldn’t have said that Johnson was a wide left though. He may have been asked to play out there but it looked like he was quite center.

I don't know what you want me to say in reply.

That's the formation that we played, Johnson always tends to roam, clearly neither he or Junior were instructed to hug the touch line.

[LGH87]

Dec 13, 2023 0:56:17 GMT Paul Spencer said:

Dec 12, 2023 23:44:31 GMT stokiespark said:

no it wasnt. If it was a back 4 why wasn’t Hoever getting forward like he normally does in that position? Gooch and Tchamadu were wide or Pearson and Burger. Johnson and Laurent were then both advanced. It wasn't a traditional wing back role. I would call it wide midfielders that were picked because of their workrate. Not a cat in hells chance was Hoever played as a right back tonight.

It was 4231.

Johnson and Junior were either side of Laurent in the three.

Thought it was more of a 3-4-2-1 myself.

Johnson and Laurent especially first half were playing like inside forwards with Gooch and Junior pushed right up.

I took a photo of it but don’t know how to upload photos off my phone on to here.

Pete Smith also has it down as a 3421 in his player ratings piece.

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-swansea-player-ratings-8971316

[leegthestokie90]

Not is favourite position but played great stick with him need more players like him who fight for the team

[davethebass]

Dec 2, 2023 14:16:05 GMT @theonlooker said:

It's like the opposite of Hoefkens and Pulis. Proper nu-football hoodoo stuff.

Saw Nu-Football Hoodoo Stuff supporting World of Twist in the late 80s

[davethebass]

I thought he did good. Positive and tried make things happen going forward, and solid defensively. Played with a bit of passion and looked like he wanted play for the shirt, loved the way he tried get the fans going after that shot he had. Couple of miscontrols were probably cos he wasn't fully match sharp with it being his first game for a while... a run of games and that sharpness will come and he'll improve. Plus he's only 18 and still developing so that's two reasons to expect improvement. There's the potential he could come on in leaps and bounds. Could become a fan's favourite I reckon.

[stokiespark]

Dec 13, 2023 0:38:43 GMT stokesaint1 said:

Dec 13, 2023 0:21:16 GMT @ontheup said:

Well Hoever was way to wide to be playing rcb and Junior wasn't getting back as a wingback needs to. It looked pretty much 451 to me.

Agree. That's exactly how I saw it and anyone who had watched Stoke at all this season would have realised that Hoever (if he had to play) would have been better in the Junior position and Junior far far better than Hoever in the right back defensive role. Do all the Stoke management team watch different games than the supporters do? Ten out of ten for Gallagher for bringing Junior into the starting XI but 3 out of ten for not swapping the Hoever and Junior roles. If not from the start, he should have addressed it after 20 minutes max.

If it was a flat back 4, then anyone who has watched us this season would have had Tchamadu right back and Hoever right wing. Gallagher is not that stupid. However the fact that Hoever rarely got forward, which he always does from right back, and Johnson and Laurent were both tucked in behind Mmaee, makes it obvious that it was 3-4-2-1. In that system there will be times when Hoever looks like he is right back as the right sided of the 3 as he will take up similar positions. It will also look like Tchamadu is right wing as again he will take up similar positions. You could see when we pressed that Gooch, Johnson, Laurent and Tchamadu were the ones to do it. Burger and Pearson protected the back 3

[stokiespark]

Dec 13, 2023 1:15:28 GMT LGH87 said:

Dec 13, 2023 0:56:17 GMT Paul Spencer said:

It was 4231.

Johnson and Junior were either side of Laurent in the three.

Thought it was more of a 3-4-2-1 myself.

Johnson and Laurent especially first half were playing like inside forwards with Gooch and Junior pushed right up.

I took a photo of it but don’t know how to upload photos off my phone on to here.

Pete Smith also has it down as a 3421 in his player ratings piece.

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-swansea-player-ratings-8971316

people still wont believe it. I often wonder what game some people have watched. Its one reason i will never come on here after a game if i haven't managed to watch any of it as you will get opinions from complete opposite ends of the spectrum. Would be interesting to see the average positions taken up by the players or heat map for individual players.

[DansViews]

Thought Tchamadeu did really well last night, probably my Motm.

Strong, fast, wanting to get forward.

When looking at the lineup, I’d have thought hoever and him would have swapped positions, but suggests to me it was 3 at the back, with hoever slotting in as a centre half.

Either way, Jr needs to be starting. Hes our player, and he will get better and better given game time.

[Deleted]

Dec 13, 2023 1:15:28 GMT LGH87 said:

Dec 13, 2023 0:56:17 GMT Paul Spencer said:

It was 4231.

Johnson and Junior were either side of Laurent in the three.

Thought it was more of a 3-4-2-1 myself.

Johnson and Laurent especially first half were playing like inside forwards with Gooch and Junior pushed right up.

I took a photo of it but don’t know how to upload photos off my phone on to here.

Pete Smith also has it down as a 3421 in his player ratings piece.

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-swansea-player-ratings-8971316

You're spot on. What confused it was that Tchamadeu had no clue where he was supposed to be at all. Hoever was very central for most of the game and was clearly on the right of a three.

[Biblical]

Dec 13, 2023 7:14:25 GMT @theonlooker said:

Dec 13, 2023 1:15:28 GMT LGH87 said:

Thought it was more of a 3-4-2-1 myself.

Johnson and Laurent especially first half were playing like inside forwards with Gooch and Junior pushed right up.

I took a photo of it but don’t know how to upload photos off my phone on to here.

Pete Smith also has it down as a 3421 in his player ratings piece.

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-swansea-player-ratings-8971316

You're spot on. What confused it was that Tchamadeu had no clue where he was supposed to be at all. Hoever was very central for most of the game and was clearly on the right of a three.

Yeah it was the Christmas tree formation for sure. Hoever was at CB. Pearson and Burger sitting with Laurent and Johnson ahead of them.

It was a god awful team with no creativity so I hope we don’t see it again soon.

[Deleted]

Dec 13, 2023 7:18:57 GMT Biblical said:

Dec 13, 2023 7:14:25 GMT @theonlooker said:

You're spot on. What confused it was that Tchamadeu had no clue where he was supposed to be at all. Hoever was very central for most of the game and was clearly on the right of a three.

Yeah it was the Christmas tree formation for sure. Hoever was at CB. Pearson and Burger sitting with Laurent and Johnson ahead of them.

It was a god awful team with no creativity so I hope we don’t see it again soon.

If that was supposed to be 3421 it was a god awful attempt it.

[femark]

Dec 13, 2023 7:58:37 GMT @ontheup said:

Dec 13, 2023 7:18:57 GMT Biblical said:

Yeah it was the Christmas tree formation for sure. Hoever was at CB. Pearson and Burger sitting with Laurent and Johnson ahead of them.

It was a god awful team with no creativity so I hope we don’t see it again soon.

If that was supposed to be 3421 it was a god awful attempt it.

Attached a player map for you.

Attachments:

[LGH87]

Dec 13, 2023 8:51:14 GMT femark said:

Dec 13, 2023 7:58:37 GMT @ontheup said:

If that was supposed to be 3421 it was a god awful attempt it.

Attached a player map for you.

Definitely wasn't a 4-2-3-1 then.

[mcw]

That player map basically sums up what we have been seeing week in week out, which is there are no consistent patterns of play at all. Whilst I understand you need some level of rotation between midfield/defence and attack so that you move the opposition around to create space, what I generally feel is that players are aimlessly wandering around with little idea tactically of the shape they should be conforming to.
What do the opposition do? Keep at least two players up and then look to break, which looking at the above player map is on pretty much all the time. Sick of seeing Pearson on or around the centre backs toes, all the front 3 and generally Johnson/Laurent/Burger or whoever is playing in midfield in a line against their back line. Cue attack breaks down, everyone is wrong side of the ball except the defence and we are caught on the counter attack.

[The Drunken Communist]

Dec 13, 2023 9:19:43 GMT LGH87 said:

Definitely wasn't a 4-2-3-1 then.

Am I missing something 'cos it looks exactly like a 4-2-3-1 to me?

13;
17, 23, 5, 2;
4, 6;
24, 28, 12;
19.

12 has drifted infield more giving space for 2 to get forward more often, where as 24 has tended to stay wider so 17 hasn't had to push on as much... Or am I just being dense?

[LGH87]

Dec 13, 2023 9:44:19 GMT The Drunken Communist said:

Dec 13, 2023 9:19:43 GMT LGH87 said:

Definitely wasn't a 4-2-3-1 then.

Am I missing something 'cos it looks exactly like a 4-2-3-1 to me?

13;
17, 23, 5, 2;
4, 6;
24, 28, 12;
19.

12 has drifted infield more giving space for 2 to get forward more often, where as 24 has tended to stay wider so 17 hasn't had to push on as much... Or am I just being dense?

haha isn't it funny how we all see things differently.

I see it as

13

23 5 2

24 4 6 2 (with Junior slightly more advanced than Gooch)

19

it could even be construed as a 3-2-4-1 actually (with the 2 being Pearson and Burger) but I definitely don't see a back 4 there at all.

[stokecitydom]

I couldn’t work out what it was first half. But the second half looked like 3421.

You could see Johnson and Laurent were much closer to Mmaee, where as in the first half Mmaee was abandoned upfront on his own.

[Staffsoatcake]

He needs to be our 1st.choice RB for years to come.

[Veritas]

Dec 13, 2023 10:12:18 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

He needs to be our 1st.choice RB for years to come.

If you are basing it on what we have seen so far you have been sniffing something. He may turn out to be great or crap or somewhere in between but to say he needs to be 1st choice for years to come is merely wishful thinking.

[baconburger]

Dec 13, 2023 9:19:43 GMT LGH87 said:

Dec 13, 2023 8:51:14 GMT femark said:

Attached a player map for you.

Definitely wasn't a 4-2-3-1 then.

It was just a mess whatever numbers you try to apply to it.

[baconburger]

Dec 13, 2023 10:10:04 GMT stokecitydom said:

I couldn’t work out what it was first half. But the second half looked like 3421.

You could see Johnson and Laurent were much closer to Mmaee, where as in the first half Mmaee was abandoned upfront on his own.

That sounds like a great idea. Perhaps we should have abandoned him away from home to make it harder for him to find his way back.

[nottinghamstokie]

In the first half I thought Junior had been reading too many Oatcake eulogies and believed them, but by half time he seemed to have settled and was great in the second half.

Enjoyed his little kick at Tymon....a bit more than Tymon did 🙂

[Deleted]

Dec 13, 2023 10:12:18 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

He needs to be our 1st.choice RB for years to come.

Agreed. We need to be looking at his ceiling not his floor. This is how good he is now at 19, and he’ll only improve.

[pavel]

Dec 13, 2023 1:15:28 GMT LGH87 said:

Dec 13, 2023 0:56:17 GMT Paul Spencer said:

It was 4231.

Johnson and Junior were either side of Laurent in the three.

Thought it was more of a 3-4-2-1 myself.

Johnson and Laurent especially first half were playing like inside forwards with Gooch and Junior pushed right up.

I took a photo of it but don’t know how to upload photos off my phone on to here.

Pete Smith also has it down as a 3421 in his player ratings piece.

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-swansea-player-ratings-8971316

I hadn’t got a clue what system it was, a sort of hybrid oh shit I’m in charge, mustn’t lose, I’m not going to get the job anyway side.

[tqstokie]

Pity he was dropped again today after a good effort on Tuesday. How anybody can prefer Hoever is really baffling. This lad is our own player for goodness sake persevere and play him!

[ravey123]

Dec 17, 2023 16:48:38 GMT tqstokie said:

Pity he was dropped again today after a good effort on Tuesday. How anybody can prefer Hoever is really baffling. This lad is our own player for goodness sake persevere and play him!

He already looks better than whoever else plays at RB so there’s nothing to persevere with. Hes already good enough

[yellowsnowman]

Hopefully in jan, we send hoever back and play junior. Really really simple. We have gooch leris as cover. Still dont get how hoever gets in front of any of them.

Far to inconsistent.

[nottsover60]

Dec 17, 2023 16:48:38 GMT tqstokie said:

Pity he was dropped again today after a good effort on Tuesday. How anybody can prefer Hoever is really baffling. This lad is our own player for goodness sake persevere and play him!

Hoever played one of three centre halves. Gooch took Junior's place and scored(😁😁) 

[jimigoodwinsbeard]

Dec 17, 2023 18:06:22 GMT yellowsnowman said:

Hopefully in jan, we send hoever back and play junior. Really really simple. We have gooch leris as cover. Still dont get how hoever gets in front of any of them.

Far to inconsistent.

Tchamadeau will be at the AFCON in January.