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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 24, 2023 13:20:20 GMT
I just don’t get what he’s trying to do.
I think most people could see the way the game was going to go before it started.
3 CB’s - Rather than making us more solid it just confuses and reduces our attacking ability. Wilmot clearly doesn’t like it and he doesn’t even things up by having a midfield with flare.
Wingbacks - I like Gooch as he’s one of the few that looks like he’s trying but he’s got no end product. Has Johnson ever played wingback before? He needs to be in midfield. Play Junior and Hoever.
Midfield - Where’s the creativity? As soon as I saw the 3 today my heart sank. I like Burger. Thought Thompson tried but lacks quality and don’t get me started on Laurent. We have to play Pearson with one other and either Bae or Johnson advanced. I’m not sure where AN was expecting chances to come from today. Add to that they leave loads of space to run in for the opposition.
Front 3 - Vidigals a superb player but is feeding off scraps. Haks I like and he works hard but needs to take more risks. Wesley can’t finish but is a nuisance. If they get any sort of service they’ll get goals.
Really poor from Neil today absolutely Schooled by Hull who were deserved winners.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 24, 2023 13:21:48 GMT
it’s not just tactics , he doesn’t know how to motivate them , we look awful against set pieces , players getting worse ( what do we do in training )
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Post by TinkerT on Sept 24, 2023 13:23:54 GMT
I just don’t get what he’s trying to do. I think most people could see the way the game was going to go before it started. 3 CB’s - Rather than making us more solid it just confuses and reduces our attacking ability. Wilmot clearly doesn’t like it and he doesn’t even things up by having a midfield with flare. Wingbacks - I like Gooch as he’s one of the few that looks like he’s trying but he’s got no end product. Has Johnson ever played wingback before? He needs to be in midfield. Play Junior and Hoever. Midfield - Where’s the creativity? As soon as I saw the 3 today my heart sank. I like Burger. Thought Thompson tried but lacks quality and don’t get me started on Laurent. We have to play Pearson with one other and either Bae or Johnson advanced. I’m not sure where AN was expecting chances to come from today. Add to that they leave loads of space to run in for the opposition. Front 3 - Vidigals a superb player but is feeding off scraps. Haks I like and he works hard but needs to take more risks. Wesley can’t finish but is a nuisance. If they get any sort of service they’ll get goals. Really poor from Neil today absolutely Schooled by Hull who were deserved winners. Its really concerning when a manager carries on playing 5 at the back when the fans can see it never works and we don't create enough with 5 at the back and never have. It's also more concerning that 95% of fans are naming pretty much the exact team.which should play (pretty much our best players) yet the manager goes and plays teams like that. We got absolutely battered through that midfield and he should have pulled a defender off for 4 at the back when that second went in, not a midfielder. He's not upto the job and can't read a game of football which is even more a worry. I said start of season he would be sacked by end of October, it might even come sooner.
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 24, 2023 13:25:17 GMT
I just don’t get what he’s trying to do. I think most people could see the way the game was going to go before it started. 3 CB’s - Rather than making us more solid it just confuses and reduces our attacking ability. Wilmot clearly doesn’t like it and he doesn’t even things up by having a midfield with flare. Wingbacks - I like Gooch as he’s one of the few that looks like he’s trying but he’s got no end product. Has Johnson ever played wingback before? He needs to be in midfield. Play Junior and Hoever. Midfield - Where’s the creativity? As soon as I saw the 3 today my heart sank. I like Burger. Thought Thompson tried but lacks quality and don’t get me started on Laurent. We have to play Pearson with one other and either Bae or Johnson advanced. I’m not sure where AN was expecting chances to come from today. Add to that they leave loads of space to run in for the opposition. Front 3 - Vidigals a superb player but is feeding off scraps. Haks I like and he works hard but needs to take more risks. Wesley can’t finish but is a nuisance. If they get any sort of service they’ll get goals. Really poor from Neil today absolutely Schooled by Hull who were deserved winners. I’m sure AN has a plan of some sort but whatever he’s been trying to do since he’s been here isn’t working. I think he’s overcomplicating things, and he’s playing 5 at the back not because he thinks it plays to our strengths but because he’s trying to negate the opposition. I can forgive setting up like that away from home and trying to nick points but at home it’s pathetic, essentially handing the initiative to the opposition before a ball is kicked. It feels like we are always reacting to the opposition instead of setting up to get the best out of own players and having a go at teams. Of course I realise it’s more complicated than that but generally speaking I’d like to see us go at teams at home.
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 24, 2023 13:28:26 GMT
I just don’t get what he’s trying to do. I think most people could see the way the game was going to go before it started. 3 CB’s - Rather than making us more solid it just confuses and reduces our attacking ability. Wilmot clearly doesn’t like it and he doesn’t even things up by having a midfield with flare. Wingbacks - I like Gooch as he’s one of the few that looks like he’s trying but he’s got no end product. Has Johnson ever played wingback before? He needs to be in midfield. Play Junior and Hoever. Midfield - Where’s the creativity? As soon as I saw the 3 today my heart sank. I like Burger. Thought Thompson tried but lacks quality and don’t get me started on Laurent. We have to play Pearson with one other and either Bae or Johnson advanced. I’m not sure where AN was expecting chances to come from today. Add to that they leave loads of space to run in for the opposition. Front 3 - Vidigals a superb player but is feeding off scraps. Haks I like and he works hard but needs to take more risks. Wesley can’t finish but is a nuisance. If they get any sort of service they’ll get goals. Really poor from Neil today absolutely Schooled by Hull who were deserved winners. Its really concerning when a manager carries on playing 5 at the back when the fans can see it never works and we don't create enough with 5 at the back and never have. It's also more concerning that 95% of fans are naming pretty much the exact team.which should play (pretty much our best players) yet the manager goes and plays teams like that. We got absolutely battered through that midfield and he should have pulled a defender off for 4 at the back when that second went in, not a midfielder. He's not upto the job and can't read a game of football which is even more a worry. I said start of season he would be sacked by end of October, it might even come sooner. Not only that, we had 2 players that can at least make a fist out of producing something in a 5-3-2, namely Hoever and Tymon. We’ve gone ahead and sold one of them, and we’re playing an attacking midfielder in his position. On the other side we’re playing a utility player because the RB we’ve signed isn’t a WB. You literally couldn’t manage it more ineffectively if you were deliberately trying to fuck it up!
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Post by pavel on Sept 24, 2023 13:29:46 GMT
Tactics - non existent Coaching- who knows Game management - non existent
Neil - lost the plot, if he even ever knew it
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Post by nonameface on Sept 24, 2023 13:30:58 GMT
We are too aggressive (not physically) but in a positioning sense as a team - teams hardly have to do anything to beat us.
Most teams in the championship play for the draw and then if the other team come out a bit too high they've got a chance of the win.
We need to spend all our training time on how to defend right now because it feels like we don't even scratch the surface with it.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 24, 2023 13:32:29 GMT
Default mode was shit the pants and try not concede with 5 at the back. If we'd have won all the previous games no way would be have gone 5. Their defence first half hour were there for the taking especially their keeper. Why are we pressing like we are supposed to?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 24, 2023 13:33:14 GMT
Travers Hoever McNally (insert either of the other two shithouses) Junior Burger Pearson Haks Bae Vidigal Big Wes
It’s a simple game in the football league, just play players in their position and attack with some purpose.
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Post by olias on Sept 24, 2023 13:33:20 GMT
I rather think the tactics for many a Stoke game is; "Just turn up lads, see what happens".
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 24, 2023 13:36:57 GMT
it’s not just tactics , he doesn’t know how to motivate them , we look awful against set pieces , players getting worse ( what do we do in training ) Training or not the defence should know the basics like not letting the oppo just meander into the box with the ball when you have the chance of keeping them in the corner and if you're weak as fuck don't try and hold a player off 6/7 yards from your goal.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 24, 2023 13:37:56 GMT
Travers Hoever McNally (insert either of the other two shithouses) Junior Burger Pearson Haks Bae Vidigal Big Wes It’s a simple game in the football league, just play players in their position and attack with some purpose. McNally has been as bad as the other two, see the second goal today.
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Sept 24, 2023 13:39:49 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Sept 24, 2023 13:39:49 GMT
it’s not just tactics , he doesn’t know how to motivate them , we look awful against set pieces , players getting worse ( what do we do in training ) Training or not the defence should know the basics like not letting the oppo just meander into the box with the ball when you have the chance of keeping them in the corner and if you're weak as fuck don't try and hold a player off 6/7 yards from your goal. Trouble is you need defenders for that. We haven't got one on the books. They're were loads on here cheering on rose and McNally when they signed.
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Post by mrnovember on Sept 24, 2023 13:39:57 GMT
A demonstrable aversion to playing three at the back should be a requirement on our next job listing for the managers position.
I'm sure it worked well for some international teams in the 70s and someone will probably point out that some London team or other won The Milk Cup playing it circa 1986, but for me it's such a shit formation.
The CB is the most boring position on the pitch. Why would I want to watch my team play with fucking loads of them?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 24, 2023 13:45:24 GMT
Training or not the defence should know the basics like not letting the oppo just meander into the box with the ball when you have the chance of keeping them in the corner and if you're weak as fuck don't try and hold a player off 6/7 yards from your goal. Trouble is you need defenders for that. We haven't got one on the books. They're were loads on here cheering on rose and McNally when they signed. I was happy with the McNally signing but he seems a completely different player from last season, the other major issue is anyone thinking Wilmot is a competent player, he's awful and always has been, he needs dropping sharpish.
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Sept 24, 2023 13:46:49 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 24, 2023 13:46:49 GMT
A demonstrable aversion to playing three at the back would be a requirement on our next job listing for the managers position. I'm sure it worked well for some international teams in the 70s and someone will probably point out that some London team or other won The Milk Cup playing it circa 1986, but for me it's such a shit formation. The CB is the most boring position on the pitch. Why would I want to watch my team play with fucking loads of them? Nothing will change with the CBs we have, he's clearly seen they aren't capable and hoped that having three would give us a chance, unfortunately all it's done is add more incompetence.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 13:47:54 GMT
The fact he keeps having to change it so early, so often, says a lot about our tactics
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Post by sportsman on Sept 24, 2023 13:50:20 GMT
Trouble is you need defenders for that. We haven't got one on the books. They're were loads on here cheering on rose and McNally when they signed. I was happy with the McNally signing but he seems a completely different player from last season, the other major issue is anyone thinking Wilmot is a competent player, he's awful and always has been, he needs dropping sharpish. I seriously wouldn't even let him train with the kids he's that poor. Never finds a stoke player. Watching our defence today was like watching an england international, back, back, back. Difference is, england are usually two up instead of two down.
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Post by stokemark on Sept 24, 2023 13:50:57 GMT
Following Cov away last season I thought we had finally cracked it and great things were coming
We lined up with a 4-2-3-1 formation and if you look at who played / who we now miss / has left then I would say it was a case of Sterling, Jags, Brown, Smallbone and Powell
Like for like I'd say
Sterling is better than Gooch / Stevens Jags far better than Rose or McNally (both who actually played for Cov that day) Brown far better than Leris Smallbone far better than Burger Powell - well arguably we do have better than him now in Vidigal
It strikers me that we have effectively pursued quantity over quality and destabilised what we did have unnecessarily instead of simply replacing at least on a like for like basis
How much bringing in Dublin and placing what appears to be a ridiculous amount of trust in him has caused this mess I don't know but we did not need to make the level of wholesale change relying on totally untried and untested players that we have
Tactically Neil is poor, that's there for all to see but I question hugely his knowledge of the game and what makes a good player in the division which is also ridiculous given his experience at this level
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 24, 2023 13:55:54 GMT
Neils tactics revealed.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 24, 2023 13:56:57 GMT
Following Cov away last season I thought we had finally cracked it and great things were coming We lined up with a 4-2-3-1 formation and if you look at who played / who we now miss / has left then I would say it was a case of Sterling, Jags, Brown, Smallbone and Powell Like for like I'd say Sterling is better than Gooch / Stevens Jags far better than Rose or McNally (both who actually played for Cov that day) Brown far better than Leris Smallbone far better than Burger Powell - well arguably we do have better than him now in Vidigal It strikers me that we have effectively pursued quantity over quality and destabilised what we did have unnecessarily instead of simply replacing at least on a like for like basis How much bringing in Dublin and placing what appears to be a ridiculous amount of trust in him has caused this mess I don't know but we did not need to make the level of wholesale change relying on totally untried and untested players that we have Tactically Neil is poor, that's there for all to see but I question hugely his knowledge of the game and what makes a good player in the division which is also ridiculous given his experience at this level Apart from the centre backs and Laurent, I don’t think the squad is that bad.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2023 13:57:44 GMT
I actually think the answers were on the pitch at the end.
Wesley did ok.
Bae looked good - play him as a 10
Vidigal looked - play him inside left
The Celtic had spells where he was alright - wide right
It’s so fucking simple.
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Sept 24, 2023 13:58:32 GMT
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Post by mrnovember on Sept 24, 2023 13:58:32 GMT
A demonstrable aversion to playing three at the back would be a requirement on our next job listing for the managers position. I'm sure it worked well for some international teams in the 70s and someone will probably point out that some London team or other won The Milk Cup playing it circa 1986, but for me it's such a shit formation. The CB is the most boring position on the pitch. Why would I want to watch my team play with fucking loads of them? Nothing will change with the CBs we have, he's clearly seen they aren't capable and hoped that having three would give us a chance, unfortunately all it's done is add more incompetence. Tell that to Preston and Liam Lindsey.
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Post by huuuuuth on Sept 24, 2023 14:00:00 GMT
What the fuck do they do during the week, in training sessions? Because whatever it is, it certainly doesn’t transfer to the pitch on a match day
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 24, 2023 14:00:59 GMT
Never liked the orange ones, always preferred mint.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 24, 2023 14:01:51 GMT
Nothing will change with the CBs we have, he's clearly seen they aren't capable and hoped that having three would give us a chance, unfortunately all it's done is add more incompetence. Tell that to Preston and Liam Lindsey. He was crap for us though.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Sept 24, 2023 14:06:16 GMT
Tactics!!! Johnson played left back today, fuck off.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 24, 2023 14:06:25 GMT
I actually think the answers were on the pitch at the end. Wesley did ok. Bae looked good - play him as a 10 Vidigal looked - play him inside left The Celtic had spells where he was alright - wide right It’s so fucking simple. I agree. We have 5 new players who give us the best attacking options we have had in a long time - Haks, Vidigal, Wesley, Bae and Maaee. Plus Campbell and Tezgel. He needs to have 4 of these on the pitch at all times and then have a block of 6 defending. Two goals to balls over the top is woeful but I think midfield is our problem.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 24, 2023 14:08:57 GMT
Hull looked like a team that have been well drilled and well coached on the training ground. Crisp one or two touch passing and moving. They were a different level to Stoke today.
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 24, 2023 14:12:14 GMT
I just don’t get what he’s trying to do. I think most people could see the way the game was going to go before it started. 3 CB’s - Rather than making us more solid it just confuses and reduces our attacking ability. Wilmot clearly doesn’t like it and he doesn’t even things up by having a midfield with flare. Wingbacks - I like Gooch as he’s one of the few that looks like he’s trying but he’s got no end product. Has Johnson ever played wingback before? He needs to be in midfield. Play Junior and Hoever. Midfield - Where’s the creativity? As soon as I saw the 3 today my heart sank. I like Burger. Thought Thompson tried but lacks quality and don’t get me started on Laurent. We have to play Pearson with one other and either Bae or Johnson advanced. I’m not sure where AN was expecting chances to come from today. Add to that they leave loads of space to run in for the opposition. Front 3 - Vidigals a superb player but is feeding off scraps. Haks I like and he works hard but needs to take more risks. Wesley can’t finish but is a nuisance. If they get any sort of service they’ll get goals. Really poor from Neil today absolutely Schooled by Hull who were deserved winners. Great Post. Managers improve players. Name one player better under Neil. Baker worse Campbell worse Tymon worse Ita an absolute shit show
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