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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 20, 2023 23:20:01 GMT
Rose was poor tonight. They kept giving him so much time on the ball as they knew he’d just give it away. Thought Wilmot did well. McNally didn’t really notice he was playing. We've got one average centre back out of the 3, a crocked 33 year old left back, a right back who can't defend on loan and a rookie RB. Yet me signed 18 players.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 20, 2023 23:25:26 GMT
Rose was poor tonight. They kept giving him so much time on the ball as they knew he’d just give it away. Thought Wilmot did well. McNally didn’t really notice he was playing. We've got one average centre back out of the 3, a crocked 33 year old left back, a right back who can't defend on loan and a rookie RB. Yet me signed 18 players. All makes sense now. You signed them 😉
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Post by pushon on Sept 20, 2023 23:46:04 GMT
You’re going way over the top on Wilmot. He’s not perfect but he’s not terrible. The best of the bunch tonight. He’s not absolutely gash. He's weak in the air defensively, his positioning is so so, his passing is massively overrated and he makes a mistake every game, you can't fully trust him, fine as back up but he's been a mainstay in a pretty poor defence for some time, he needs replacing. If we can recruit better then great. But I think he needs some help rather than being attacked. He's expected to do too much of the defensive dominance as well as spreading the play from defensive positions. He could do with a 'championship type' Robert Huth as an anchor beside him. Maybe someone like that Souttar guy currently at Leicester.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 23:46:15 GMT
we have one of the best and most highly paid goalies in the championship .
doesn't bare thinking about , where we would be with bursik or bonham , between the sticks.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 21, 2023 9:22:31 GMT
There’s a guy at Preston named Lindsay . He might be worth a look
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Post by prudhoesnose on Sept 21, 2023 9:47:26 GMT
Agree we need an experienced bastard at the back. We also need AN to stop chopping/changing the defence every game. Some continuity would fix (some) of the problems.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 21, 2023 10:07:44 GMT
Who was McNally playing alongside last season because that can make a big difference. McFadzen (sic). Beast of a centre back. Is he really? Having McFadzean alongside McNally probably helped, but McFadzean isn't this imposing beast that allowed McNally to flourish. So far for us Luke has won more aerial and ground duels p/game than McFadzean's p/game last season, which Luke also exceeded last season by some distance. He wins his tackles, and I think his ability to press has also been really good so far. There is no reason with Luke's height and frame why he can't be our dominant CB, but his basic positioning is letting him down. He's not on it like he was last season for Coventry. I put this down to poor coaching and relaying of tactical strategy in training, so Gallagher and co need to pull their fingers out and get the most out of these lads' abilities.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Sept 21, 2023 10:08:48 GMT
There’s a guy at Preston named Lindsay . He might be worth a look I’d even have Baath back right now tbh, it’s that bad. Looking at Octobers fixtures I honestly feel that Neil and co have dug their own graves. If the hierarchy think that going the next 6 or 7 games with one win or a couple of points will keep the punters in ST4 quiet then good luck to them. They’ve assembled a mediocre league 1 defence and a misfiring forward line for what everyone knew was going to be the most difficult championship season in years.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 21, 2023 10:15:02 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 21, 2023 10:32:16 GMT
Baath would improve that shower of shit
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 21, 2023 11:11:55 GMT
The whole team just needs a leader to galvanise them, where we find one is beyond me, or even an individual whose performances drag the rest to be better and stronger.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 21, 2023 11:20:54 GMT
Baath would improve that shower of shit I understand that we got rid of him for FFP reasons because he was on parachute payment wages. But he'd definitely improve our team at the moment.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 21, 2023 11:48:37 GMT
There’s a guy at Preston named Lindsay . He might be worth a look You mean Lindsay who was absolutely wank when he played for us? We need a good solid centre back mate but let's not make out that Lindsay is that man.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 21, 2023 11:51:38 GMT
Preston are top of the league lest you don’t know and their defence built around him . He had a mistake in him when he played for us . Left sided too if I recall right . But my original post was of course tongue in cheek
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 21, 2023 11:54:15 GMT
Preston are top of the league lest you don’t know and their defence built around him . He had a mistake in him when he played for us . Left sided too if I recall right . But my original post was of course tongue in cheek They are top after seven games mate yes and have had a good start. I would not expect them to be there come the end of the season and if they are then fair play. Fair enough if it was tongue in cheek but he was terrible for us. Not to say he hasn't improved a bit but he's at Preston for a reason.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 21, 2023 11:55:47 GMT
Steve cook would have been perfect as said so often as it is I suspect the plan is to muddle through and offer souttar a loan in jan another season gone and utterly avoidable 18nplayers and neither of the key roles filled
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Post by ceejays on Sept 21, 2023 12:01:27 GMT
Well Preston could well be the Luton of this season . Their manager - Ryan Lowe - was on Sky panel recently. He spoke with authority . A clear thinker .Had immaculate haircut and immaculately dressed . Could have been going to a wedding he was that smart . Sort of created an impression of attention to detail. So my money is on them to be on top six if not automatic . And they have a certain Osmajic who we failed to buy - scored this week too
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 12:43:32 GMT
He needs to stick with Wilmot and McNally as a pairing for the foreseeable. Swapping and changing between him and Rose is doing nobody any good and McNally is definitely the better bet long term. He just needs to play himself into some form hopefully. Unfortunately patience is in very short supply.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 21, 2023 13:08:37 GMT
There’s a guy at Preston named Lindsay . He might be worth a look You mean Lindsay who was absolutely wank when he played for us? We need a good solid centre back mate but let's not make out that Lindsay is that man. I would still take McNally over Lindsay, but the things Luke isn't doing right so far this season are what Liam is better at this season and last - positioning and awareness that enable him to block shots and passes, and clear the ball out of danger.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 21, 2023 15:50:19 GMT
We fans all knew we wanted a decent CB and a striker....why didn't the manager.....seemingly?
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 21, 2023 16:04:12 GMT
We fans all knew we wanted a decent CB and a striker....why didn't the manager.....seemingly? Totally agree, I don't know if we were close to signing a top CB but we should of raised our offer and got the striker from wba..its clear our backup forward line is not up to the task.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Sept 21, 2023 16:16:56 GMT
I'd have gone for Jake Cooper from Millwall. Rose and McNally are dreadful. Wilmot ain't much better either. Cooper signed a new contract at Millwall during the transfer window and then posted about how pleased he was to play for the best team in the land!
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 21, 2023 16:30:07 GMT
This season Ben Wilmot has won more heading duels than anyone in the Championship and by some distance. I'm more than happy with McNally and Wilmot as our central defenders.
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Post by foster on Sept 21, 2023 16:36:22 GMT
This season Ben Wilmot has won more heading duels than anyone in the Championship and by some distance. I'm more than happy with McNally and Wilmot as our central defenders. I wonder if those 2 goals we just conceded might be because we actually had too many players in the box. Sounds a bit strange but we easily outnumbered the Huddersfield players in both cases. So maybe ours were just waiting for someone else to make a move and reluctant to move into someone elses space. If there were a couple less Stoke players in the box then maybe they'd be more inclined to take responsibility and get stuck in.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 21, 2023 17:36:43 GMT
This season Ben Wilmot has won more heading duels than anyone in the Championship and by some distance. I'm more than happy with McNally and Wilmot as our central defenders. I wonder if those 2 goals we just conceded might be because we actually had too many players in the box. Sounds a bit strange but we easily outnumbered the Huddersfield players in both cases. So maybe ours were just waiting for someone else to make a move and reluctant to move into someone elses space. If there were a couple less Stoke players in the box then maybe they'd be more inclined to take responsibility and get stuck in. A few years ago,didn't Leicester keep a couple of players on the half way line when defending a corner,which meant the opposition had to keep at least 3 men back?
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 21, 2023 17:42:23 GMT
This season Ben Wilmot has won more heading duels than anyone in the Championship and by some distance. I'm more than happy with McNally and Wilmot as our central defenders. I wonder if those 2 goals we just conceded might be because we actually had too many players in the box. Sounds a bit strange but we easily outnumbered the Huddersfield players in both cases. So maybe ours were just waiting for someone else to make a move and reluctant to move into someone elses space. If there were a couple less Stoke players in the box then maybe they'd be more inclined to take responsibility and get stuck in. It's been a bugbear of mine for a good while, keep 2 players on the half way line, your paciest, one on each touchline and I guarantee the opposition will keep 4 players back.
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Post by march4 on Sept 21, 2023 17:58:45 GMT
This season Ben Wilmot has won more heading duels than anyone in the Championship and by some distance. I'm more than happy with McNally and Wilmot as our central defenders. And yet we repeatedly concede soft headed goals. I want a defender who wins the important aerial duels.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 21, 2023 18:16:43 GMT
This season Ben Wilmot has won more heading duels than anyone in the Championship and by some distance. I'm more than happy with McNally and Wilmot as our central defenders. And yet we repeatedly concede soft headed goals. I want a defender who wins the important aerial duels. Rose clearly doesn't, that's why a McNally/Wilmot pairing is the better option.
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Post by callas12 on Sept 21, 2023 18:37:08 GMT
I wonder if those 2 goals we just conceded might be because we actually had too many players in the box. Sounds a bit strange but we easily outnumbered the Huddersfield players in both cases. So maybe ours were just waiting for someone else to make a move and reluctant to move into someone elses space. If there were a couple less Stoke players in the box then maybe they'd be more inclined to take responsibility and get stuck in. It's been a bugbear of mine for a good while, keep 2 players on the half way line, your paciest, one on each touchline and I guarantee the opposition will keep 4 players back. I've always thought this aswell. If the opposition have piled everyone forward they'd soon commit at least 3 players back to the halfway line, possibly 4 as you say. On a corner if the team taking draw out a fellow player for a short corner the opposition always commit 2x defending players towards the corner flag. To me its a game of brinkmanship but pulling all your players back for a corner just gives the green line light for the attacking team to pummel your area and goal line. Show that we're more than happy to play off the halfway line on a corner & it forces the attacking team to withdraw. At least worth a go.. Let's face it, it can't be any worse than it is.. surely..?!
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 21, 2023 18:43:59 GMT
I'd have gone for Jake Cooper from Millwall. Rose and McNally are dreadful. Wilmot ain't much better either. Cooper signed a new contract at Millwall during the transfer window and then posted about how pleased he was to play for the best team in the land! Don't be naive. If a club doubled his salary do you think he'd stay at Millwall? Would they still be the best in the land?
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