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Post by satoshi on Feb 19, 2024 13:04:40 GMT
Rumours stop being rumours when they come true. Like this one. Apart from a few people peddling a dodgy rumour there is no evidence that there is any truth whatsoever in this. If you stand in the town centre and shout oranges it sounds exactly like gullible. go on try it. Gouranga. If you constantly post gouranga, same result
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Post by etebojan on Feb 19, 2024 13:09:58 GMT
Sounds a bit harsh and judgemental to say it but the instant i heard Ricky speak in his first interview, he sounded like such a textbook Bullsh*tting wideboy chancer, you wonder how he got past the first interview, the fact that he was so reliant on and hid behind all the b*llocks marketing and sales jargon, "KPI's", "Cultural architects", "3 pillars", sounded the alarm bells. Anyone in any company must have experienced chancers like this who churn out the same old hollow meaningless bollocks in meetings with no real understanding of what they're talking about, and no ability to articulate above and beyond in normal simple language. Would a proper experienced director of football (someone who has already played and or managed to a serious level) speak in those terms toward the fans, absolutely not.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 19, 2024 13:10:57 GMT
Rumours aside, the facts are that Martin was behind the mass clearout in the summer, gave the green light to sign 17 players of most were shite and also sold our first choice left back on deadline day and replaced him with a 33 year old sick note. All of which is translating into the shit we see on the pitch. And oversaw the spending of almost £20m to make us worse than before quite astonishing really
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 19, 2024 13:19:22 GMT
Sounds a bit harsh and judgemental to say it but the instant i heard Ricky speak in his first interview, he sounded like such a textbook Bullsh*tting wideboy chancer, you wonder how he got past the first interview, the fact that he was so reliant on and hid behind all the b*llocks marketing and sales jargon, "KPI's", "Cultural architects", "3 pillars", sounded the alarm bells. Anyone in any company must have experienced chancers like this who churn out the same old hollow meaningless bollocks in meetings with no real understanding of what they're talking about, and no ability to articulate above and beyond in normal simple language. Would a proper experienced director of football (someone who has already played and or managed to a serious level) speak in those terms toward the fans, absolutely not. I would hazard a guess that it was a condition set by Neil that his mate joined if he was going to accept the job. Like an idiot JC went with it. If not then JC is an idiot for being taken in by Martin. Either way, JC is an idiot.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 19, 2024 13:32:19 GMT
I don't think there's any doubt that RM has got it all wrong. He's signed some good flair players but this Championship requires old heads and pros and a sprinkle of flair. Also, getting rid of Brown and Tymon was a mistake. Neither were good enough for the Prem but were decent Champ players. On his day, Tymon was as good as anyone as an attacking wingback in this division and Brown, even though he was a limited player, added hard graft and 12/15 goals a season. Big mistake that.
I'm hoping we stay up but as we're playing now, I wouldn't put my shirt on it. If we do manage to stay up then I think we should get rid of RM and revert to Shumey getting in his own players to rebuild. Fingers crossed time.
OS.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 13:35:00 GMT
I don't think there's any doubt that JC has got it all wrong. He's signed some good flair players but this Championship requires old heads and pros and a sprinkle of flair. Also, getting rid of Brown and Tymon was a mistake. Neither were good enough for the Prem but were decent Champ players. On his day, Tymon was as good as anyone as an attacking wingback in this division and Brown, even though he was a limited player, added hard graft and 12/15 goals a season. Big mistake that. I'm hoping we stay up but as we're playing now, I wouldn't put my shirt on it. If we do manage to stay up then I think we should get rid of JC and revert to Shumey getting in his own players to rebuild. Fingers crossed time. OS. To be fair to the club I think we had to let Brown go. He had a chance to play PL football and it helped us with FFP. If we stood in his way, we could've had an unhappy pleyer on our hanmds putting in a transfer request.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 19, 2024 13:35:10 GMT
Do you mean get rid of RM rather than JC Old Stokie?.
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 19, 2024 13:50:27 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-team-injury-news-9108581Reading his post-game comments, Burger, Bae and Leris are still in the fold and not remotely bomb-squadded. He specifically mentions there's no issue with Leris - and Burger and Bae are clearly 2 of his favourites who appear to have great attitudes (as does Leris) What the truth is with Vidigal and Haksabanovic (and Campbell), who knows? If they're still training with the first team, doesn't seem like they've gone full-Mmaee. But they do seem two of his closer mates in the squad. Most of the changes were obviously fitness-related - but nothing offered to explain those 2 (although senior players will have to miss out every week) Not surprised Haks is involved as he's had issues at previous clubs like Mmaee when he doesn't get selected. Another reason Haks isn't involved is because he's wank
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 19, 2024 13:51:15 GMT
Do you mean get rid of RM rather than JC Old Stokie?. Yes, sorry. Will edit it now. OS.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 19, 2024 13:59:35 GMT
I don't think there's any doubt that JC has got it all wrong. He's signed some good flair players but this Championship requires old heads and pros and a sprinkle of flair. Also, getting rid of Brown and Tymon was a mistake. Neither were good enough for the Prem but were decent Champ players. On his day, Tymon was as good as anyone as an attacking wingback in this division and Brown, even though he was a limited player, added hard graft and 12/15 goals a season. Big mistake that. I'm hoping we stay up but as we're playing now, I wouldn't put my shirt on it. If we do manage to stay up then I think we should get rid of JC and revert to Shumey getting in his own players to rebuild. Fingers crossed time. OS. To be fair to the club I think we had to let Brown go. He had a chance to play PL football and it helped us with FFP. If we stood in his way, we could've had an unhappy pleyer on our hanmds putting in a transfer request. Brown never came across to me as a player who would sulk. He never gave less than 100% whatever the circumstances. Also, he must have known that being a Prem player would mean that he would always be an also ran. I've got no bones to pick with Brown and I really hope he makes a shedload of dosh with the move. I still think we could have kept him with a great bonus at the end of the season when FFP isn't dragging us back. OS.
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Post by moon on Feb 19, 2024 14:07:22 GMT
I don't think there's any doubt that JC has got it all wrong. He's signed some good flair players but this Championship requires old heads and pros and a sprinkle of flair. Also, getting rid of Brown and Tymon was a mistake. Neither were good enough for the Prem but were decent Champ players. On his day, Tymon was as good as anyone as an attacking wingback in this division and Brown, even though he was a limited player, added hard graft and 12/15 goals a season. Big mistake that. I'm hoping we stay up but as we're playing now, I wouldn't put my shirt on it. If we do manage to stay up then I think we should get rid of JC and revert to Shumey getting in his own players to rebuild. Fingers crossed time. OS. We got decent money for both of them, more than they were worth IMO, but I would have been happy to see them here this season had the offers not come in.
One issue is that we didn't replace Tymon, but the bigger issue is that we tried to replace our whole first team in one transfer window (which almost never works). I don't think they had much choice given the state of the squad at the time, but it shows how bad the decisions have been over the past 5+ years when there is almost nobody in the first team squad that you actually consider worth keeping. I think we managed to bring in some quality last summer, but not in all positions, and we failed to bring in enough strength and depth for a full season in the Championship. It really showed when Travers was recalled, and Wilmot and Stevens were injured. In January we addressed some of the areas, but surprisingly not in defence, where we had (and still have) a backup midfielder hung out to dry at LB. Of course there were a few duds in there too, but not to the extent that some on the oatcake claim.
If we do manage to stay up then Schumacher needs to be backed, but he's still going to have to use a significant number of the current squad next season - we can't be trying to swap the whole squad in one window again. We need to get to a stable situation where we're doing 5-10 first team transfers maximum each summer, compared to ~33 (in and out) last summer, it's insane to have that much change.
I don't blame RM for that amount of change though, of the players that left in the summer there are only a couple who would've been worth keeping: Fox (adequate at LB - better than Stevens / cover at CB) despite his haters on here, Connor Taylor (as a backup at CB - but I think he'd have played plenty of games this season had he stayed). The amount of churn is a problem that goes back way before RM joined the club, and it's not something that is quick to fix - it needs to be a gradual process, as changing the manager and the players so often just sets us back even further.
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Post by Sfance on Feb 19, 2024 14:18:29 GMT
Sounds a bit harsh and judgemental to say it but the instant i heard Ricky speak in his first interview, he sounded like such a textbook Bullsh*tting wideboy chancer, you wonder how he got past the first interview, the fact that he was so reliant on and hid behind all the b*llocks marketing and sales jargon, "KPI's", "Cultural architects", "3 pillars", sounded the alarm bells. Anyone in any company must have experienced chancers like this who churn out the same old hollow meaningless bollocks in meetings with no real understanding of what they're talking about, and no ability to articulate above and beyond in normal simple language. Would a proper experienced director of football (someone who has already played and or managed to a serious level) speak in those terms toward the fans, absolutely not. I would hazard a guess that it was a condition set by Neil that his mate joined if he was going to accept the job. Like an idiot JC went with it. If not then JC is an idiot for being taken in by Martin. Either way, JC is an idiot. Hence why he’s known as Idiot John.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 15:12:29 GMT
Claw some credibility back JC and sack the f#cker. He really won't be miised despite what he tells you.
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Post by tallerthancrouch on Feb 19, 2024 16:50:03 GMT
Been told today , shortlist for replacements have begun , he will be replaced in the summer SS already doing all the work
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 19, 2024 16:54:12 GMT
Been told today , shortlist for replacements have begun , he will be replaced in the summer SS already doing all the work If that's the case, they should make it public, and get him working on his garden Fanbase is crying out for some good news.
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Post by etebojan on Feb 19, 2024 16:56:46 GMT
Been told today , shortlist for replacements have begun , he will be replaced in the summer SS already doing all the work If that's the case, they should make it public, and get him working on his garden Fanbase is crying out for some good news. is there any reason not to get rid of him as soon as a replacement has been found rather than wait till the summer? surely waiting till summer is ridiculous as recruitment and next season planning will be starting now
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Post by ceejays on Feb 19, 2024 17:11:39 GMT
If that's the case, they should make it public, and get him working on his garden Fanbase is crying out for some good news. is there any reason not to get rid of him as soon as a replacement has been found rather than wait till the summer? surely waiting till summer is ridiculous as recruitment and next season planning will be starting now What complete nonsense. The I’ve been told brigade .
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Post by march4 on Feb 19, 2024 17:16:25 GMT
Been told today , shortlist for replacements have begun , he will be replaced in the summer SS already doing all the work If that's the case, they should make it public, and get him working on his garden Fanbase is crying out for some good news. I was just going to add how wonderful gardening leave can be in the right circumstances.
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Post by thornestein on Feb 19, 2024 17:17:02 GMT
So if this rumour is to be believed, the following timeline has to be roughly true: Pre 14th March: Ricky Martin dislikes the foreign players but Steven Schumacher ignores him and generally plays who he wants (including plenty of foreign lads) 14th March: Stoke beat QPR 1-0 with a team including five foreign players (six if you want to include Junior) in the starting XI and three foreigners coming off the bench 15th March: On the back of his first home win as Stoke manager, Schumacher changes his mind and now agrees with Ricky Martin that the foreign lads are the problem 17th March: Schumacher drops five of the six foreign players that started against QPR. The reason is not because two of them were out injured and one of them visibly took a knock against QPR, but they were dropped because they are not British. It doesn't really stack up does it? it doesn’t, maybe because its still February and we haven’t reached March yet
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 19, 2024 17:20:18 GMT
Been told today , shortlist for replacements have begun , he will be replaced in the summer SS already doing all the work Hmmm you also said Eustace was done 2.5yr deal. Forgive me if I wait for more proof before having a party
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Post by andromeda on Feb 19, 2024 17:39:37 GMT
Said it before, I’ll say it again. Another in a long line of terrible senior appointments by the Coates family. Club is rotten from top to bottom. If things are bad behind the scenes, there is no chance of getting it right on the pitch. Our (very) early season form and optimism was just papering over the cracks. Neither Tricky Ricky or Simple Simon have taken the Club forward, just made things even worse which I didn’t think was possible.
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Post by skip on Feb 19, 2024 17:51:35 GMT
Not surprised Haks is involved as he's had issues at previous clubs like Mmaee when he doesn't get selected. Another reason Haks isn't involved is because he's wank He also has absolutely gigantic thighs. Nothing homoerotic, just an observation from up close (not 'and personal').
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 19, 2024 18:01:46 GMT
Another reason Haks isn't involved is because he's wank He also has absolutely gigantic thighs. Nothing homoerotic, just an observation from up close (not 'and personal'). It's the 21st century mate , you can like whatever you like 👍
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Feb 19, 2024 18:04:33 GMT
He also has absolutely gigantic thighs. Nothing homoerotic, just an observation from up close (not 'and personal'). It's the 21st century mate , you can like whatever you like 👍 Nowt wrong with big thighs......just look at Vanessa Feltz
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Post by skip on Feb 19, 2024 18:17:07 GMT
It's the 21st century mate , you can like whatever you like 👍 Nowt wrong with big thighs......just look at Vanessa Feltz Ha. I didn't mean to suggest there was anything wrong with the larger thigh, just that Hacks are particularly large, for a footballer.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 19, 2024 18:43:26 GMT
So if this rumour is to be believed, the following timeline has to be roughly true: Pre 14th March: Ricky Martin dislikes the foreign players but Steven Schumacher ignores him and generally plays who he wants (including plenty of foreign lads) 14th March: Stoke beat QPR 1-0 with a team including five foreign players (six if you want to include Junior) in the starting XI and three foreigners coming off the bench 15th March: On the back of his first home win as Stoke manager, Schumacher changes his mind and now agrees with Ricky Martin that the foreign lads are the problem 17th March: Schumacher drops five of the six foreign players that started against QPR. The reason is not because two of them were out injured and one of them visibly took a knock against QPR, but they were dropped because they are not British. It doesn't really stack up does it? it doesn’t, maybe because its still February and we haven’t reached March yet Good point, well made.
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Post by alsager58 on Feb 19, 2024 18:51:35 GMT
Lets keep this simple Martin has headed up this disastrous reset not having the experience to assess scouting reports and football standards in other countries to ensure they can make an impact. He should be made accountable this week therefore allowing a knowledgeable DOF to replace him. (Previously mentioned MON would be a perfect fit)
Try and imagine if you were SS. You have just joined a club 60 days ago and you have inherited an unbalanced squad with no keeper initially, no trustworthy defenders no strikers, plus you had Baker and Laurent initially unavailable.
Imagine on top of that you are reporting into a DOF who failed at Norwich who then went on to have an academy role at West Ham !!! who is also Alex Neils mate as is a senior member of your coaching staff in PG. (Both need to be released )
The more unrest created by supporters the more justified the embarrassing trio of Campbell, the Celtic Waster, Vidigal and Mmaee become with their behind the scenes stance. However strength is in numbers and if we all support SS and get behind the lad like we used to with TP when we were against it then these wasters become isolated with no influence in the group. (Supporters should take the captains passionate lead from the front attitude)
SS has just got Plymouth promoted with over 100 points with his own players, SS cannot do it on his own he is changing the style and the mentality even with a current unbalanced squad and dysfunctional DOF.
Just do it Stokies !!
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Post by tallerthancrouch on Feb 19, 2024 19:10:22 GMT
Been told today , shortlist for replacements have begun , he will be replaced in the summer SS already doing all the work Hmmm you also said Eustace was done 2.5yr deal. Forgive me if I wait for more proof before having a party He was second choice as they didn’t think they would get the AN deal done as they did , hence the ability to afford SS , Campbell training with U21 today why don’t you fact check that one , to check my credibility !
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Post by DC1863 on Feb 19, 2024 19:12:06 GMT
Been told today , shortlist for replacements have begun , he will be replaced in the summer SS already doing all the work If this has any sliver of truth they haven't learned any lessons.
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Post by s7oke on Feb 19, 2024 19:21:02 GMT
If that's the case, they should make it public, and get him working on his garden Fanbase is crying out for some good news. I was just going to add how wonderful gardening leave can be in the right circumstances. Yea he can go help Alex Neil with his and take some of the pansies he’s signed with him
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