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Post by theteacher on Feb 11, 2024 11:05:51 GMT
Does a sacking of Martin affect ffp? Only if you continue to pay him and replace with another wage.
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Post by premieraj on Feb 11, 2024 11:09:36 GMT
Does a sacking of Martin affect ffp? Only if you continue to pay him and replace with another wage. I think they should sack him now and replace in summer but not sure how long a contract he has?
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Post by questionable on Feb 11, 2024 11:11:29 GMT
Once we started chanting about Scholes he was gone, I suspect the family will do the same should the faithful demand he is removed. Looking on, Simon King seems to be doing a great job with the non football side of the club, fan zone, online content, light show , fans connect etc etc it’s completely out of step with the football side of the house, as somebody else has said, ultimately the ONLY KPI that matters is wins, draws and losses, everything else is just a contributory or aggravating factor, he is failing spectacularly! Scholes was in my local a few weeks ago, he did speak to me and was dying to ask him about stoke but CBA with him.
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Post by march4 on Feb 11, 2024 11:15:23 GMT
Something has to give he’s setting the whole culture so he has to go now Now the window is shut what does he actually do? He's not arranging any coaching As far as I can see he has no function atm In which case I've changed my mind sack him now as nothing to lose He is muddling the leadership of the club. There can only be one leader. Who is it RM or SS? I don’t know, do the 2 of them know and goodness only knows what the players think. He has to go or things will get even worse.
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Post by premieraj on Feb 11, 2024 11:19:33 GMT
I was lucky enough to be sitting in the Directors box at Ewood Park yesterday, and directly behind Ricky Martin. Firstly there was an empty seat between him Dublin Peter and Jon, which did look a bit odd, certainly didn’t seem to be best of friends shall we say as they never once spoke to him, secondly at half time just as everybody got up to go down the tunnel, my rather disgruntled die hard Stokie friend confronted him with “ we don’t need a centre half eh Ricky, we need more wingers ?“, a quote of Ricky’s from the meet the fans forum recently, at which point he just glared back at him then dropped his head and stared at the floor, Jon & Peter left looking at him as if expecting a response, nothing came, he just looked a lost and rather embarrassed soul put right on the spot…out of his depth springs to mind. Richard Smiths seat probably as he was poorly. You would have thought though they would have shoved up lol 😂
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Post by Gods on Feb 11, 2024 11:20:39 GMT
Only if you continue to pay him and replace with another wage. I think they should sack him now and replace in summer but not sure how long a contract he has? Would R.Martin have a fixed length contract like a player would, 3 years for example? I assumed he would simply be a regular employee with x months notice. But I may be wrong, I usually am!
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Post by banksie66 on Feb 11, 2024 11:55:15 GMT
x.com/llortaton/status/1753856933243572259?s=46&t=smc8k9cGzj8zljqjYidkzA
“My reply was to a comment referring to Dewsnip commenting on Schumacher’s dismissal of his advice. It’s been clear that the success of Lowe and Schumacher both has leant on the experience and advice of Dewsnip. Toward the end, it seems Schumacher had grown to resent Dewsnip’s Involvement - though how seriously and to what degree is unknown. Schuey leveraged his fait accompli out of the club thinking he could now do it on his own. Despite so little time as a no.1.
Now; even the most basic recon. would have revealed how the recruitment team and DoF were involved in Argyle’s success, and - in my eyes - suggests taking Schumacher out of that and expecting him to perform was a biiig risk. So I doubted the diligence and intelligence of the Stoke plan.
That said; Schuey does have something about him, but it seems from him and from Stoke a strange decision to test him so soon in the crucible that is that job. Done for much better and experienced managers.
Now, I can understand Schuey backing himself - however foolhardy. But the Stoke team should’ve known better - or at the very least had a support plan or clear recruitment plan in place to support him. Clearly had neither.
So yeah: Dewsnip knows what he’s doing. I don’t get the same impression of the Stoke hierarchy. No matter who’s gone and come.”
Would love Ricky Martin’s thoughts on these comments.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Feb 11, 2024 15:10:19 GMT
Problem is mate it’s the people doing the hiring that are the problem Alex Neil recommended him and wanted him in. JC backed Alex Neil. Jc really rated Alex and let him have a Free reign. Similar to Scholes with Hughes really. We are paying the price for this but it is a similar model to the one which did so well with TP so arguably trusted.
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Post by tejstokie on Feb 11, 2024 17:30:45 GMT
He'd be first on my list gone this summer. Next all of the recruitment staff. The fact the entire organization forwent getting two experienced cbs and brought in only forward talent and cundle is enough disregard of the situation that it's criminal if anyone involved is around come shandy time.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 11, 2024 18:03:03 GMT
Alex Neil recommended him and wanted him in. JC backed Alex Neil. Jc really rated Alex and let him have a Free reign. Similar to Scholes with Hughes really. We are paying the price for this but it is a similar model to the one which did so well with TP so arguably trusted. Aye. But love him or loathe him Pulis had a solid plan. He knew the type of players he needed for that plan and as a result his transfer business was relatively straight forward so he signed less duds. Pulis made life very easy for the stoke hierarchy. He ran the club for them on the footballing side of things basically. And bar the 3 good Hughes seasons they have missed him terribly. Sounds daft to say it but football has moved on and the likes of Pulis only work in the lower leagues now. So if their plan upstairs is to just find another Pulis, its not gonna happen. They're currently trying to belatedly find a plan B. Recent events prove we have fallen behind in this process and hence why you have much smaller, financially weak teams that are currently pinching our dinner money.
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Post by callas12 on Feb 11, 2024 19:39:12 GMT
I was lucky enough to be sitting in the Directors box at Ewood Park yesterday, and directly behind Ricky Martin. Firstly there was an empty seat between him Dublin Peter and Jon, which did look a bit odd, certainly didn’t seem to be best of friends shall we say as they never once spoke to him, secondly at half time just as everybody got up to go down the tunnel, my rather disgruntled die hard Stokie friend confronted him with “ we don’t need a centre half eh Ricky, we need more wingers ?“, a quote of Ricky’s from the meet the fans forum recently, at which point he just glared back at him then dropped his head and stared at the floor, Jon & Peter left looking at him as if expecting a response, nothing came, he just looked a lost and rather embarrassed soul put right on the spot…out of his depth springs to mind. Well placed to possibly notice the angry/agitated look SS gave up towards the directors seated area & RM's direction in particular after goal No.3 went in?
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 11, 2024 19:43:07 GMT
I was lucky enough to be sitting in the Directors box at Ewood Park yesterday, and directly behind Ricky Martin. Firstly there was an empty seat between him Dublin Peter and Jon, which did look a bit odd, certainly didn’t seem to be best of friends shall we say as they never once spoke to him, secondly at half time just as everybody got up to go down the tunnel, my rather disgruntled die hard Stokie friend confronted him with “ we don’t need a centre half eh Ricky, we need more wingers ?“, a quote of Ricky’s from the meet the fans forum recently, at which point he just glared back at him then dropped his head and stared at the floor, Jon & Peter left looking at him as if expecting a response, nothing came, he just looked a lost and rather embarrassed soul put right on the spot…out of his depth springs to mind. Well placed to possibly notice the angry/agitated look SS gave up towards the directors seated area & RM's direction in particular after goal No.3 went in? Preparing his defense for after he is fired. Next chairman in the interview he will say ‘everyone knows it is a basket case of a club, 18 new signings in the summer and no defenders. I asked for CB/LB in Jan and they ignored me’ Makes complete sense why he would do that. He knows his days are getting numbered.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 11, 2024 19:56:14 GMT
He'd be first on my list gone this summer. Next all of the recruitment staff. The fact the entire organization forwent getting two experienced cbs and brought in only forward talent and cundle is enough disregard of the situation that it's criminal if anyone involved is around come shandy time. Not really sure when the appropriate time is to sack a technical director. Do you wait until the summer? If so, why? But you'd think he'd do well to make it to the summer. Nobody has got any faith left in him, and he could well be the first sacrificial lamb to show they're listening to the outrage.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 11, 2024 20:00:40 GMT
He'd be first on my list gone this summer. Next all of the recruitment staff. The fact the entire organization forwent getting two experienced cbs and brought in only forward talent and cundle is enough disregard of the situation that it's criminal if anyone involved is around come shandy time. Not really sure when the appropriate time is to sack a technical director. Do you wait until the summer? If so, why? But you'd think he'd do well to make it to the summer. Nobody has got any faith left in him, and he could well be the first sacrificial lamb to show they're listening to the outrage. These types get an easy ride generally but I think the fan base have identified an issue. It can’t be ignored by the hierarchy surely (Shirley)
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 11, 2024 20:03:55 GMT
He'd be first on my list gone this summer. Next all of the recruitment staff. The fact the entire organization forwent getting two experienced cbs and brought in only forward talent and cundle is enough disregard of the situation that it's criminal if anyone involved is around come shandy time. Not really sure when the appropriate time is to sack a technical director. Do you wait until the summer? If so, why? But you'd think he'd do well to make it to the summer. Nobody has got any faith left in him, and he could well be the first sacrificial lamb to show they're listening to the outrage. I don’t think Martin will last this week. Sacked after Coventry is my prediction.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 11, 2024 20:05:17 GMT
Not really sure when the appropriate time is to sack a technical director. Do you wait until the summer? If so, why? But you'd think he'd do well to make it to the summer. Nobody has got any faith left in him, and he could well be the first sacrificial lamb to show they're listening to the outrage. I don’t think Martin will last this week. Sacked after Coventry is my prediction. Reading the earlier posts feels like the distancing has begun already.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Feb 11, 2024 22:01:22 GMT
The more I think about the recruitment and our failure to address the defence in January, the more baffled I am, especially given his comments at the forum
Hes no business being in office
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 11, 2024 23:11:18 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if JC doesn't try and bring Dewsnip in here, he brought in Tricky at the request of Neil after all.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Feb 12, 2024 0:24:40 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if JC doesn't try and bring Dewsnip in here, he brought in Tricky at the request of Neil after all. I'm not sure Schumacher is on strong enough ground at the moment to make such a demand and get it approved. If we were going to bring him in it should surely have been at the same time as when he joined, or at least within a couple of weeks. Schumacher's position right now is very weak and could be untenable with a few more bad results. Would be a huge gamble to bring in a Schumacher man now.
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 12, 2024 0:49:20 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if JC doesn't try and bring Dewsnip in here, he brought in Tricky at the request of Neil after all. I'm not sure Schumacher is on strong enough ground at the moment to make such a demand and get it approved. If we were going to bring him in it should surely have been at the same time as when he joined, or at least within a couple of weeks. Schumacher's position right now is very weak and could be untenable with a few more bad results. Would be a huge gamble to bring in a Schumacher man now. Would it even make any difference? Tricky was Neil's Technical Director at Norwich where they shared promotion success at Norwich, yet the partnership was a disaster here at Stoke. Why would it be any different if we brought Dewsnip here?
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Post by starkiller on Feb 12, 2024 5:49:54 GMT
Not just the man, but the role itself needs to be removed.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 12, 2024 9:11:47 GMT
The role definitely seems to be here to stay - you've just got to get the right one. trainingground.guru/articles/scott-appointed-as-rotherhams-first-director-of-footballCHAMPIONSHIP CLUBS WITH SPORTING DIRECTOR (OR EQUIVALENT) Birmingham City: Craig Gardner (Technical Director) Blackburn Rovers: Gregg Broughton (Director of Football) Bristol City: Brian Tinnion (Technical Director) Cardiff City: - Coventry City: - Huddersfield Town: Mark Cartwright (Sporting Director) Hull City: - Ipswich Town: Gary Probert (Director of Football Operations) Leeds United: Gretar Steinsson (Technical Director) Leicester City: Jon Rudkin (Director of Football) Middlesbrough: Kieran Scott (Head of Football) Millwall: Alex Aldridge (Director of Football Operations) Norwich City: Ben Knapper (Sporting Director) Plymouth Argyle: Neil Dewsnip (Director of Football) Preston North End: - QPR: - Rotherham United: Rob Scott (Director of Football) Sheffield Wednesday: - Southampton: Jason Wilcox (Director of Football) Stoke City: Ricky Martin (Technical Director) Sunderland: Kristjaan Speakman (Sporting Director) Swansea City: Paul Watson (Sporting Director) Watford: Gianluca Nani (Sporting Director) West Brom: -
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Post by tuum on Feb 12, 2024 9:18:17 GMT
I was lucky enough to be sitting in the Directors box at Ewood Park yesterday, and directly behind Ricky Martin. Firstly there was an empty seat between him Dublin Peter and Jon, which did look a bit odd, certainly didn’t seem to be best of friends shall we say as they never once spoke to him, secondly at half time just as everybody got up to go down the tunnel, my rather disgruntled die hard Stokie friend confronted him with “ we don’t need a centre half eh Ricky, we need more wingers ?“, a quote of Ricky’s from the meet the fans forum recently, at which point he just glared back at him then dropped his head and stared at the floor, Jon & Peter left looking at him as if expecting a response, nothing came, he just looked a lost and rather embarrassed soul put right on the spot…out of his depth springs to mind. Well placed to possibly notice the angry/agitated look SS gave up towards the directors seated area & RM's direction in particular after goal No.3 went in? If SS doesn't think he has the quality in his defence then he shouldn't give his full backs licence to roam forward. The shipping of goals is a direct result of SS tactics. Nothing else!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 12, 2024 9:22:31 GMT
Well placed to possibly notice the angry/agitated look SS gave up towards the directors seated area & RM's direction in particular after goal No.3 went in? If SS doesn't think he has the quality in his defence then he shouldn't give his full backs licence to roam forward. The shipping of goals is a direct result of SS tactics. Nothing else! Agree that while he inherited a basket case he is actually making things worse which is no mean achievement.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 12, 2024 9:24:30 GMT
The role definitely seems to be here to stay - you've just got to get the right one. trainingground.guru/articles/scott-appointed-as-rotherhams-first-director-of-footballCHAMPIONSHIP CLUBS WITH SPORTING DIRECTOR (OR EQUIVALENT) Birmingham City: Craig Gardner (Technical Director) Blackburn Rovers: Gregg Broughton (Director of Football) Bristol City: Brian Tinnion (Technical Director) Cardiff City: - Coventry City: - Huddersfield Town: Mark Cartwright (Sporting Director) Hull City: - Ipswich Town: Gary Probert (Director of Football Operations) Leeds United: Gretar Steinsson (Technical Director) Leicester City: Jon Rudkin (Director of Football) Middlesbrough: Kieran Scott (Head of Football) Millwall: Alex Aldridge (Director of Football Operations) Norwich City: Ben Knapper (Sporting Director) Plymouth Argyle: Neil Dewsnip (Director of Football) Preston North End: - QPR: - Rotherham United: Rob Scott (Director of Football) Sheffield Wednesday: - Southampton: Jason Wilcox (Director of Football) Stoke City: Ricky Martin (Technical Director) Sunderland: Kristjaan Speakman (Sporting Director) Swansea City: Paul Watson (Sporting Director) Watford: Gianluca Nani (Sporting Director) West Brom: - Yeah and they used to put asbestos in school buildings because it was a wonder material and was the future at one time (not aimed at you FM!)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 9:29:46 GMT
Is he still here?
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Post by march4 on Feb 12, 2024 9:32:16 GMT
The role definitely seems to be here to stay - you've just got to get the right one. trainingground.guru/articles/scott-appointed-as-rotherhams-first-director-of-footballCHAMPIONSHIP CLUBS WITH SPORTING DIRECTOR (OR EQUIVALENT) Birmingham City: Craig Gardner (Technical Director) Blackburn Rovers: Gregg Broughton (Director of Football) Bristol City: Brian Tinnion (Technical Director) Cardiff City: - Coventry City: - Huddersfield Town: Mark Cartwright (Sporting Director) Hull City: - Ipswich Town: Gary Probert (Director of Football Operations) Leeds United: Gretar Steinsson (Technical Director) Leicester City: Jon Rudkin (Director of Football) Middlesbrough: Kieran Scott (Head of Football) Millwall: Alex Aldridge (Director of Football Operations) Norwich City: Ben Knapper (Sporting Director) Plymouth Argyle: Neil Dewsnip (Director of Football) Preston North End: - QPR: - Rotherham United: Rob Scott (Director of Football) Sheffield Wednesday: - Southampton: Jason Wilcox (Director of Football) Stoke City: Ricky Martin (Technical Director) Sunderland: Kristjaan Speakman (Sporting Director) Swansea City: Paul Watson (Sporting Director) Watford: Gianluca Nani (Sporting Director) West Brom: - Coventry, Hull and West Brom aren’t doing too badly this season.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 12, 2024 9:41:54 GMT
Every one of us could see we needed a good left back and a leader type centre back in the summer and again in the January window. The fact that Martin could not see this is worrying and the fact the club is paying him to oversee it even more so. He surely has to go.
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Post by Biblical on Feb 12, 2024 9:50:27 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if JC doesn't try and bring Dewsnip in here, he brought in Tricky at the request of Neil after all. No chance of Dewsnip ending up here, whilst he was in temporary charge he made a comment in a press conference because he didn’t appreciate some criticism Schumacher had of him.
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Post by deeside2 on Feb 12, 2024 9:53:00 GMT
Yes, I thought I'd read they'd worked well together but that Schumacher had started to resent Dewsnip's involvement and influence.
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