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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2024 17:13:45 GMT
John Coates needs to resign. Set an example, & be the first one out. If anyone makes snap judgements, it's you. You don't give anyone a chance. How much of a chance does John Coates need? 6 years under his command now. 6 years of abject failure. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 8, 2024 17:20:59 GMT
Simplistically Ricky was all about the strategy and SJW is all about the culture. There is a famous Peter Drucker quote which says that "culture eats strategy for breakfast". Let's hope he's right! |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2024 17:30:48 GMT
Interesting to see if he appoints a deputy/assistant as Pete Smith seemed to be hinting at a few days ago. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-transfer-qa-live-9203294For those asking for an update on the technical director, this is clearly an extended audition for Jon Walters and everyone I speak to at the club only has positive things to say about what he's doing. And it is genuinely, emphatically positive. He's treating it as if he's here for the long haul as you'd expect and what I like most is that he isn't trying to do everything himself, even if he's virtually omnipresent. It feels like the most important thing with this role is to facilitate the experts you have appointed in different departments and make sure everyone is working to the same cause. Tie in recruitment with the academy, for example, to make sure path ways are not blocked for players who should be banging on the first team door in the next 12 to 18 months. He's prepared to make decisions and wants to utilise everyone at the club to their potential, like moving Alex Morris across for the run-in. John Coates won't be short of people interested in the post but you get the feeling that he might already have the best candidate possible in situ. A charismatic and smart, unifying figure. It will be interesting to see in the future if the job could be split a little and rearranged as it settles down but that's for the future. All hands on deck for these last six games. |
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Post by tuum on Apr 8, 2024 17:34:15 GMT
I respect you are entitled to your opinion, but there is no evidence to suggest this is a lazy appointment , it appears to have more to do with the excellent impact he has had thus far in his interim role, as referenced by many comments from within the club and the wider football community. clearly they will stand or fall by this decision as they with all decisions they make. It would be nice if just for once you didn’t throw in a negative comment, but I won’t hold my breath It’s as lazy as it comes. We really need it to work though or else we’re fucked. You do love your drama! Why are we fucked if it doesn't work out? We just sack him and move on. We will get it right eventually. No need to worry about such minor things. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2024 17:35:09 GMT
It’s as lazy as it comes. We really need it to work though or else we’re fucked. You do love your drama! Why are we fucked if it doesn't work out? We just sack him and move on. We will get it right eventually. No need to worry about such minor things. Because we will have tried everything and none of it will have worked? And why will we? The owners are fucking useless. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Apr 8, 2024 17:48:53 GMT
Wonder why they've quietly changed the title from 'Technical Director' to 'Sporting Director'? The terms seem to be pretty interchangeable, yet we've actively changed it up. I think it's a fair enough appointment, given the dearth of proven other options likely to be banging our door down. He can't bring less to the party than Tricky. Knowing us we probably let him choose. I was joking ... |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 8, 2024 17:49:15 GMT
It's really no surprise we are where we are when the club constantly makes decisions like this.
I wish the Tory boy all the best but when it all fails again I hope John Coates will be the one to step aside and admit he got it all wrong.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2024 17:50:07 GMT
Wonder why they've quietly changed the title from 'Technical Director' to 'Sporting Director'? The terms seem to be pretty interchangeable, yet we've actively changed it up. I think it's a fair enough appointment, given the dearth of proven other options likely to be banging our door down. He can't bring less to the party than Tricky. Knowing us we probably let him choose. Looks like it! www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-jon-walters-role-9213335“Sporting director, technical director, director of football… they are all different at different clubs and mean different things. Each role will be slightly different at each club. From the amount of clubs I’ve been around and visited and researched and seen different roles, myself and John had spoken and I think this one probably resonates with me the most and the remit at this club. The title fits the most. “We know what it entails, it’s right across every department at the football club, a huge responsibility. We think this is the most appropriate title.” "There is a confusion about trying to understand to understand the role at different clubs and there’s a challenge for the Association of Sporting Directors to try to get a specific job description. We were at St George’s Park a couple of weeks ago talking about this and I said I didn’t think we would get that because at every club it’s slightly different. “At one club the role might just entail being head of recruitment and you might not touch medical, sports science, academy and women’s team whereas at Stoke City it encompasses everything really.” |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 8, 2024 17:51:07 GMT
You do love your drama! Why are we fucked if it doesn't work out? We just sack him and move on. We will get it right eventually. No need to worry about such minor things. Because we will have tried everything and none of it will have worked? And why will we? The owners are fucking useless. Just have a bit of optimism for once. I’m glad he’s got the job, he’s qualified and it’s not just a job to him by the looks of it. I know the old “knows the club” saying is a bit of a joke but I honestly think it could help in this instance. I’ve had a good day so putting a positive spin on it😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2024 17:52:50 GMT
It's really no surprise we are where we are when the club constantly makes decisions like this. I wish the Tory boy all the best but when it all fails again I hope John Coates will be the one to step aside and admit he got it all wrong. I'm surprised at the amount of people that are blindly backing it. He's had 6 months at Fleetwood Town. We wouldn't be happy with an ex player as manager with the same level of experience. Sporting Director's are just as important in modern football structures. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2024 17:52:51 GMT
Because we will have tried everything and none of it will have worked? And why will we? The owners are fucking useless. Just have a bit of optimism for once. I’m glad he’s got the job, he’s qualified and it’s not just a job to him by the looks of it. I know the old “knows the club” saying is a bit of a joke but I honestly think it could help in this instance. I’ve had a good day so putting a positive spin on it😉 Why? I think it’s more of the same crap from them. I genuinely hope it works though because like I said we really really need it to. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 8, 2024 17:54:34 GMT
Just have a bit of optimism for once. I’m glad he’s got the job, he’s qualified and it’s not just a job to him by the looks of it. I know the old “knows the club” saying is a bit of a joke but I honestly think it could help in this instance. I’ve had a good day so putting a positive spin on it😉 Why? I think it’s more of the same crap from them. I genuinely hope it works though because like I said we really really need it to. Why? Because sometimes it’s just a nice feeling to be positive. There’s no reason he can’t do the job. If you think there is name me one |
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 8, 2024 17:58:14 GMT
I’m happy enough with Walters, but still have reservations about the role itself. Let’s see what the landscape looks like when the summer transfer window closes.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 8, 2024 18:01:37 GMT
It's really no surprise we are where we are when the club constantly makes decisions like this. I wish the Tory boy all the best but when it all fails again I hope John Coates will be the one to step aside and admit he got it all wrong. I'm surprised at the amount of people that are blindly backing it. He's had 6 months at Fleetwood Town. We wouldn't be happy with an ex player as manager with the same level of experience. Sporting Director's are just as important in modern football structures. If he went somewhere else and made a success of it, people would be moaning their bollocks off because we could have had him. "Why isn't Brereton-Diaz on our books?" "Why didn't we get Graham Potter before Swansea took a chance?" "How did we let Aaron Ramsdale go to Sheffield Utd?" Etc. He's got the job. Why not just wait and see how it goes? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2024 18:02:51 GMT
Why? I think it’s more of the same crap from them. I genuinely hope it works though because like I said we really really need it to. Why? Because sometimes it’s just a nice feeling to be positive. There’s no reason he can’t do the job. If you think there is name me one There’s nothing to be optimistic for. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2024 18:04:11 GMT
I'm surprised at the amount of people that are blindly backing it. He's had 6 months at Fleetwood Town. We wouldn't be happy with an ex player as manager with the same level of experience. Sporting Director's are just as important in modern football structures. If he went somewhere else and made a success of it, people would be moaning their bollocks off because we could have had him. "Why isn't Brereton-Diaz on our books?" "Why didn't we get Graham Potter before Swansea took a chance?" "How did we let Aaron Ramsdale go to Sheffield Utd?" Etc. He's got the job. Why not just wait and see how it goes? Easier to just be negative, so that if we don't piss the league next season, people can say that they were right, all along. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 8, 2024 18:06:59 GMT
Why? Because sometimes it’s just a nice feeling to be positive. There’s no reason he can’t do the job. If you think there is name me one There’s nothing to be optimistic for. Why can’t he do the job? |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 8, 2024 18:08:47 GMT
Just have a bit of optimism for once. I’m glad he’s got the job, he’s qualified and it’s not just a job to him by the looks of it. I know the old “knows the club” saying is a bit of a joke but I honestly think it could help in this instance. I’ve had a good day so putting a positive spin on it😉 Why? I think it’s more of the same crap from them. I genuinely hope it works though because like I said we really really need it to. It appears than an extremely high percentage of your posts are critical (not constructively critical) of everything Stoke City. if you’re that dissatisfied with the management of the club why don’t you do something about it? If that means removing your support until such change comes about that meets your approval…..go for it. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 8, 2024 18:09:42 GMT
Why? Because sometimes it’s just a nice feeling to be positive. There’s no reason he can’t do the job. If you think there is name me one There’s nothing to be optimistic for. Did you get interviewed for the role? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 8, 2024 18:09:49 GMT
Why? I think it’s more of the same crap from them. I genuinely hope it works though because like I said we really really need it to. It appears than an extremely high percentage of your posts are critical (not constructively critical) of everything Stoke City. if you’re that dissatisfied with the management of the club why don’t you do something about it? If that means removing your support until such change comes about that meets your approval…..go for it. He supports Man City anyway😉 |
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Post by yellowsnowman on Apr 8, 2024 18:11:25 GMT
Can only wish him all the best, good luck as sporting director Johnny Walters.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2024 18:13:27 GMT
If he went somewhere else and made a success of it, people would be moaning their bollocks off because we could have had him. "Why isn't Brereton-Diaz on our books?" "Why didn't we get Graham Potter before Swansea took a chance?" "How did we let Aaron Ramsdale go to Sheffield Utd?" Etc. He's got the job. Why not just wait and see how it goes? Easier to just be negative, so that if we don't piss the league next season, people can say that they were right, all along. Or just put your head in the sand and ignore the 7/8 years of total mismanagement. |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 8, 2024 18:13:33 GMT
I'm just curious as to how SJW will react if a player threatens to go on strike, because the club won't sell him. That is after all what SJW did himself towards the end of his career, when Burnley came in for him, and at first was turned away. Rumour had it he's bringing Robert Huth in as head of enforcement |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2024 18:15:27 GMT
If he went somewhere else and made a success of it, people would be moaning their bollocks off because we could have had him. "Why isn't Brereton-Diaz on our books?" "Why didn't we get Graham Potter before Swansea took a chance?" "How did we let Aaron Ramsdale go to Sheffield Utd?" Etc. He's got the job. Why not just wait and see how it goes? Easier to just be negative, so that if we don't piss the league next season, people can say that they were right, all along. We have multi billionaire owners that can afford the best of the best yet time and again they take either the easy or cheap option, and when that doesn't work they throw lazy money at it in desperation - like they did after relegation that was caused by taking the easy option of keeping Hughes too long and the lazy option of appointing Lambert. I hope it works for the club but I don't hold out much hope that it will. If Walters hadn't have played for us the vast majority would be questioning why the hell he was here having only 6 months experience at a poor League One club. The same people applauding this applauded the Delap appointment as a coach before turning on him 2/3 years later when they realised just how shit he was as a coach. |
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Post by questionable on Apr 8, 2024 18:17:05 GMT
Whilst I welcome SJW into his new role what concerns me is JC commented he’d been very impressed, now where have I heard that before 🤔🤔🤔🤔
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2024 18:17:27 GMT
It's really no surprise we are where we are when the club constantly makes decisions like this. I wish the Tory boy all the best but when it all fails again I hope John Coates will be the one to step aside and admit he got it all wrong. I'm surprised at the amount of people that are blindly backing it. He's had 6 months at Fleetwood Town. We wouldn't be happy with an ex player as manager with the same level of experience. Sporting Director's are just as important in modern football structures. It'd be interesting to know how many recent appointees in the role, certainly at our level, had hands-on experience in the exact role though. Probably not that many - with most being first-time appointees based on some broad skill set and personality type they are deemed to have? There are only really the trailblazers like Ashworth and Hughes with some kind of track record who are being headhunted domestically. Freedman, for example, had none (although he had a brief career as a manager). And he's lasted 7 years at Palace. Same with Hughes at Bournemouth who lasted a decade before being headhunted by Liverpool. |
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Post by hughjarse on Apr 8, 2024 18:18:19 GMT
Because we will have tried everything and none of it will have worked? And why will we? The owners are fucking useless. Just have a bit of optimism for once. I’m glad he’s got the job, he’s qualified and it’s not just a job to him by the looks of it. I know the old “knows the club” saying is a bit of a joke but I honestly think it could help in this instance. I’ve had a good day so putting a positive spin on it😉 It’s so much easier to have a good day when we don’t have a game |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 8, 2024 18:20:14 GMT
Whilst I welcome SJW into his new role what concerns me is JC commented he’d been very impressed, now where have I heard that before 🤔🤔🤔🤔 The thing is it's very easy to impress someone who's equally as clueless. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2024 18:25:40 GMT
I'm surprised at the amount of people that are blindly backing it. He's had 6 months at Fleetwood Town. We wouldn't be happy with an ex player as manager with the same level of experience. Sporting Director's are just as important in modern football structures. It'd be interesting to know how many recent appointees in the role had hands-on experience in the exact role though. Probably not that many - with most being first-time appointees based on some broad skill set and personality type they are deemed to have? There are only really the trailblazers like Ashworth and Hughes with some kind of track record who are being headhunted domestically. Freedman, for example, had none (although he had a brief career as a manager). And he's lasted 7 years at Palace. Same with Hughes at Bournemouth who lasted a decade before being headhunted by Liverpool. All fair points but these are the owners that were impressed by Lambert's spreadsheet that was knocked up in his mum's kitchen over a coffee and was so impressed with his mate's lock in with Mad Nathan that he was in the dugout faster than jack flash. The very same owners that appointed Neil and allowed him and his mate to run amok over the summer and put us in the same position as we were when Rowett was here. They are now saying that Walters was the stand out candidate despite having the world and his wife to go at with the Bet365 billions. To say I don't trust their judgement is an understatement. But as I say, genuinely, good luck to Jon. He's here now and like all the others he didn't pick himself. |
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Post by questionable on Apr 8, 2024 18:27:49 GMT
Whilst I welcome SJW into his new role what concerns me is JC commented he’d been very impressed, now where have I heard that before 🤔🤔🤔🤔 The thing is it's very easy to impress someone who's equally as clueless. Rumour has it that JC consulted the guy from bet365 who was shite at his job “but” wait for it … watched a load of lower league football. The JC You-Tube video to this day gets funnier it’s up there with Stoke Folk Law Joris Bohnson |
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