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Post by wonderwall on Apr 8, 2024 16:01:23 GMT
Good luck Jon. Things have certainly got better since he arrived.
Can’t do any worse than the last bloke and his 5 pillars of bullshit.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2024 16:02:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2024 16:02:36 GMT
What a load of old stinking, festering, lazy arsed, corner shop jobs for the boys horses piss this is.
Anyway, good luck Jon...
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Post by block23 on Apr 8, 2024 16:05:30 GMT
I respect you are entitled to your opinion, but there is no evidence to suggest this is a lazy appointment , it appears to have more to do with the excellent impact he has had thus far in his interim role, as referenced by many comments from within the club and the wider football community. clearly they will stand or fall by this decision as they with all decisions they make. It would be nice if just for once you didn’t throw in a negative comment, but I won’t hold my breath It’s as lazy as it comes. We really need it to work though or else we’re fucked. at a recent fan meeting, JC set out the process they were following, including utilising a top recruitment firm to pull together options. SJW was interim, is qualified and has clearly impressed in his short time in that role. I guess you can say JC is lying and he wanted to make a cheap appointment to fit your negative agenda, I think that is unfair to JC and very unfair to SJW. We wont agree so I wont reply again, would rather focus on positive things as opposed to your continuous negative shite, bye |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2024 16:07:02 GMT
I think character is important in the role though, in terms of setting a culture.
And he seems to have it - as well as being around top level football for 15 years.
Freedman at Palace seems a similar type, and he was unproven when he got their equivalent job - and is now much in-demand. Same with the Bournemouth sporting director who's off to Liverpool
If you look at the names of others in similar posts, they aren't glitzy. I'm struggling to think of other pools we'd have been fishing in that would have been surer things.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 8, 2024 16:07:22 GMT
Goarnnn John
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 8, 2024 16:09:51 GMT
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Post by bagnallboothen on Apr 8, 2024 16:11:43 GMT
Wonder why they've quietly changed the title from 'Technical Director' to 'Sporting Director'? The terms seem to be pretty interchangeable, yet we've actively changed it up. I think it's a fair enough appointment, given the dearth of proven other options likely to be banging our door down. He can't bring less to the party than Tricky. Knowing us we probably let him choose. |
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Post by lordb on Apr 8, 2024 16:11:50 GMT
The lazy arsed way continues. Just hope it works this time. SJW & lazy arsed in the same sentence interesting of course could say ' Bayern with lazy arsed logic re SJW appointment' , to be fair that works |
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Post by lordb on Apr 8, 2024 16:12:53 GMT
It should be a minimum requirement that a DOF or Sporting Director should have played the game at a decent level Not someone who talks about pillars and KPIs All the best SJW How many at English clubs fit that description? lots, why? |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 8, 2024 16:13:51 GMT
Yeah, left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth and I'm not even Coates out, hopefully Walters can show him the potential we know this club has and use his money to bank role his ambition Yeah it’s shocking tbh. And hopefully so! We need a John Coates decision to finally work. I'm crossing my fingers for a happy accident and I'm somewhat hopeful for it because he does actually seem to have had a positive impact, there hasn't been any hint of Schuey being undermined and his interviews have been decent. So far though he's really only been a vibes guy hasn't he. The close season is when we'll really see how much of a fit he is for the role. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2024 16:14:47 GMT
What a load of old stinking, festering, lazy arsed, corner shop jobs for the boys horses piss this is. Anyway, good luck Jon... No it isn't. It's bringing someone qualified in, who knows what this club is all about. Or at least, what it 'used' to be about. We've floated about in the ether for six years plus, serving up utter dirge, pretty much consistently - there's nothing to lose here. "If there are any 4/5-star DOFs or Sporting Directors (call it what you like), ready, willing, and able, who would come here & you're not already comfortable & performing well & at your current club - please form an orderly queue". Because The Oatcake reckons there's shitloads of you out there, just itching to come into a listless, slumbering, relegation-threatened former Premier League big-hitter. Let's get real. |
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Post by stokieinlondon on Apr 8, 2024 16:15:37 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2024 16:16:03 GMT
The lazy arsed way continues. Just hope it works this time. SJW & lazy arsed in the same sentence interesting of course could say ' Bayern with lazy arsed logic re SJW appointment' , to be fair that works Walters was lazy arsed at tracking back too. So it’s not too much of a stretch 🤣 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2024 16:17:40 GMT
It’s as lazy as it comes. We really need it to work though or else we’re fucked. at a recent fan meeting, JC set out the process they were following, including utilising a top recruitment firm to pull together options. SJW was interim, is qualified and has clearly impressed in his short time in that role. I guess you can say JC is lying and he wanted to make a cheap appointment to fit your negative agenda, I think that is unfair to JC and very unfair to SJW. We wont agree so I wont reply again, would rather focus on positive things as opposed to your continuous negative shite, bye John Coates needs to resign. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 8, 2024 16:18:38 GMT
I get why everyone's a bit happy but I'm skeptical a little bit. We're the exact sort of club who would hire a popular ex player into a key role to win favour with the fans. Personally I couldn’t stand him as a player. He was shite 😃 Quite pleased with this appointment though. |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 8, 2024 16:21:09 GMT
How many at English clubs fit that description? lots, why? Just wondering. It doesn't seem to be a minimum requirement for a lot of clubs looking at those lists FM posted |
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Post by lordb on Apr 8, 2024 16:26:14 GMT
Just wondering. It doesn't seem to be a minimum requirement for a lot of clubs looking at those lists FM posted I see I agree with the post, ie it should be, or at the very least is desirable otherwise potential for a full on bull shitter like Moxey,Martin or Karen Brady is more likely Simon King makes a good COO but wouldn't want him involved on the football side glad the roles are separate |
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Post by thornestein on Apr 8, 2024 16:26:26 GMT
Interesting that its changed from Technical director to Sporting director, all the best super Jonny Walters is there a difference ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2024 16:31:12 GMT
I get why everyone's a bit happy but I'm skeptical a little bit. We're the exact sort of club who would hire a popular ex player into a key role to win favour with the fans. Personally I couldn’t stand him as a player. He was shite 😃 Quite pleased with this appointment though. He can stand in front of any of our current squad and talk about playing consistently the top level, finishing 9th in the PL three times on the trot, playing in Europe, scoring at Wembley, playing in an FA Cup Final, playing alongside great players, including a World Cup winner - all whilst some our our current crop are grateful to just be playing in the Championship. That'll do for me. |
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 8, 2024 16:36:56 GMT
Listening to the interview on the official site, it sounds like we should be expecting him to be making appointments on the playing side and others, possibly coaching staff?.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 8, 2024 16:49:44 GMT
I think it's a bit of a comfort blanket appointment for all concerned. For the board they know they have a guy who at least will be popular with the fanbase, does genuinely have the best interests of the club at heart and will do his utmost to make it work.
For the fanbase, it's a figurehead to rally behind and a pretty popular one at that.
I do think it presents its own challenges though, beyond the whole experience/qualifications stuff on previous pages (which is all moot until we see what he can do in the summer/longer term strategies etc). He's clearly pretty close to the board and I hope he feels confident enough to point out what he thinks could be improved or changed given he's on very good terms with them already. Second if things don't start going to plan, he needs to held as culpable by us and the board as anyone else would be in the same situation. Which is to say, he should not be given a pass on things just because his name is Jon Walters. It sort of reminds me of the reasons Denis Smith used to cite as why he never really felt comfortable going after the Stoke job, sometimes you do need that extra layer of objectivity.
Not to say I envisage him being a dickhead, far from it. But at this point continued mediocrity is as likely if not more so than success so it may be a conversation to have down the line.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 8, 2024 16:56:53 GMT
Personally I couldn’t stand him as a player. He was shite 😃 Quite pleased with this appointment though. He can stand in front of any of our current squad and talk about playing consistently the top level, finishing 9th in the PL three times on the trot, playing in Europe, scoring at Wembley, playing in an FA Cup Final, playing alongside great players, including a World Cup winner - all whilst some our our current crop are grateful to just be playing in the Championship. That'll do for me. He absolutely can. What about the head coach though? I’m not sure that’s what Walters needs to be doing. I don’t know for certain but surely in his role he would be having minimal contact with the players. |
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Post by ian57 on Apr 8, 2024 17:01:39 GMT
Excellent decision,sjw and schuey. Onwards and upwards 👍
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Post by nonameface on Apr 8, 2024 17:01:41 GMT
Really pleased we've got Walters.
We possibly could have brought someone in with more experience or qualifications, but we've needed more than that for some time now.
As a club the thing we've missed the most is someone who can bind and bring everything together, to me he feels best placed to do it.
Like his footballing career, anything he's not as natural at, he will work on to make the most out of this opportunity.
Come on Super John!
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Apr 8, 2024 17:03:56 GMT
I think what brought me round to this probably being fine is top European clubs don’t seem to think twice about employing ex players in board room type roles. (Bayern, Ajax and AC Milan spring to mind)
Admittedly their pool of ex players is probably a little more exciting to fans. (Who’s going to accuse Paolo Maldini of not knowing what’s good for Milan for example?)
There must be some benefits to it… I can certainly imagine Walters being a hell of a lot better watching videos of potential signings with Dublin and stating why the stats might not paint the full picture than the majority of his Championship equivalents for example.
Hopefully Coates has had a little chat with everyone who works with him and has gathered some feedback. If he’s been impressing everyone he liases with then it’d seem a sensible appointment… It’s just we’ve reached a point where none of us would stake any money on that simple bit of due diligence having actually been done 😬
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Post by onepara on Apr 8, 2024 17:04:59 GMT
at a recent fan meeting, JC set out the process they were following, including utilising a top recruitment firm to pull together options. SJW was interim, is qualified and has clearly impressed in his short time in that role. I guess you can say JC is lying and he wanted to make a cheap appointment to fit your negative agenda, I think that is unfair to JC and very unfair to SJW. We wont agree so I wont reply again, would rather focus on positive things as opposed to your continuous negative shite, bye John Coates needs to resign. Set an example, & be the first one out. If anyone makes snap judgements, it's you. You don't give anyone a chance. |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Apr 8, 2024 17:06:49 GMT
Listening to the interview on the official site, it sounds like we should be expecting him to be making appointments on the playing side and others, possibly coaching staff?. Defence needs sorting? Who ya gonna call....    Just an idea |
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 8, 2024 17:10:30 GMT
Good luck Super Jon, we'll be with you....
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Post by jokker on Apr 8, 2024 17:12:41 GMT
I'm just curious as to how SJW will react if a player threatens to go on strike, because the club won't sell him. That is after all what SJW did himself towards the end of his career, when Burnley came in for him, and at first was turned away.
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