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Post by frasier37 on Apr 6, 2024 7:52:32 GMT
Appointing Jon Walters as Technical Director with his current level of experience would be the most Stoke decision ever. I like him - who doesn't - but a few rallying cries do not a coherent football philosophy make. We need better than a gamble, here. I understand the worry overJW but, do you trust them to appoint anyone better ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2024 7:56:53 GMT
Would be interesting to know the full extent of his role during his time here. On the front facing side of it, it looks like he has just scampered down from the Ivory Towers, hit a few of the proles for not working and done a few motivational speeches to the fans. Cheerleading basically.
My issue is he is so inexperienced in the role, even though he held the dual role with sister clubs Fleetwood and Waterford for 6 months.
It clashes with me that we have so much money in the back pocket of the owners yet we seem to always plump for the lowest common denominator in such key roles, and are happy to take risks where either they shouldn't be taken or simply can't.
With Schumacher being under 40, you'd think the wisest options at this point would be a very experienced operator to help guide him through the next few seasons, more of an ex football manager type, and then you could have a Walters type working alongside him too, learning the ropes of the TD role from both sides. A consultant if you like.
Recent reports of Walters sat next to Coates thrashing his arms around in frustration at the football on offer doesn't sound like the stable base we need, and the settling influence John Coates clearly needs either.
Still, he knows the club doesn't he?
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Post by thornestein on Apr 6, 2024 7:58:48 GMT
Would be typical Stoke, but take a punt on someone, which is such an important role within the club, because "he knows the club". we should already be preparing for next season so the appointment needs to happen soon , if it not Walters the new guy could have different ideas |
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Post by karl on Apr 6, 2024 8:24:44 GMT
Would be typical Stoke, but take a punt on someone, which is such an important role within the club, because "he knows the club". we should already be preparing for next season so the appointment needs to happen soon , if it not Walters the new guy could have different ideas I think if we had someone in mind they would have already been appointed to start when the season ends. No chance we are going to try to sort it at the end of the season or we will be going into next season with an old plan. |
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 6, 2024 8:29:11 GMT
If it is to be Walters, so be it, make it official and get in with it. It just amazes me that many on here keep banging on the value of knowing the club, yet most articles since relegation, seems to all point that it is a difficult club to manage, with toxic mentioned on more than one occasion?.
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Post by thornestein on Apr 6, 2024 8:41:55 GMT
If it is to be Walters, so be it, make it official and get in with it. It just amazes me that many on here keep banging on the value of knowing the club, yet most articles since relegation, seems to all point that it is a difficult club to manage, with toxic mentioned on more than one occasion?. i think we all would prefer someone with lots of experience, but who’s out there who would want come a lower championship club atm |
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 6, 2024 8:47:20 GMT
With the potential to be a premier league side😉
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2024 9:07:29 GMT
Would be interesting to know the full extent of his role during his time here. On the front facing side of it, it looks like he has just scampered down from the Ivory Towers, hit a few of the proles for not working and done a few motivational speeches to the fans. Cheerleading basically. My issue is he is so inexperienced in the role, even though he held the dual role with sister clubs Fleetwood and Waterford for 6 months. It clashes with me that we have so much money in the back pocket of the owners yet we seem to always plump for the lowest common denominator in such key roles, and are happy to take risks where either they shouldn't be taken or simply can't. With Schumacher being under 40, you'd think the wisest options at this point would be a very experienced operator to help guide him through the next few seasons, more of an ex football manager type, and then you could have a Walters type working alongside him too, learning the ropes of the TD role from both sides. A consultant if you like. Recent reports of Walters sat next to Coates thrashing his arms around in frustration at the football on offer doesn't sound like the stable base we need, and the settling influence John Coates clearly needs either. Still, he knows the club doesn't he? I think that's what we need, someone with a work ethic who will demand that from everyone around him. I'm glad he's thrashing about at some of the football he's seeing. This isn't the time for a Rudge type to come in and be a calming influence. The culture inside the club needs to change and that will take energy, a relentless work ethic and it appears that's what Walters possesses. Lets not over-egg the importance of experience. This is football, not taking over the nhs. He does seem to have some experience though. And he's been driven to visit many clubs to see how the director role functions. He is clearly very very driven to succeed in this particular role |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2024 9:10:42 GMT
Would be typical Stoke, but take a punt on someone, which is such an important role within the club, because "he knows the club". we should already be preparing for next season so the appointment needs to happen soon , if it not Walters the new guy could have different ideas The interview in the sentinel is very clear, Walters hasn't been just a 'cheerleader' he's been heading up the planning for next season. No doubt he'll have had to plan for both league 1 and the championship |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 6, 2024 10:24:53 GMT
we should already be preparing for next season so the appointment needs to happen soon , if it not Walters the new guy could have different ideas The interview in the sentinel is very clear, Walters hasn't been just a 'cheerleader' he's been heading up the planning for next season. No doubt he'll have had to plan for both league 1 and the championship Apart from recruitment/players out of contract/loan players returning to their own clubs at 1st team level he will have at least been; - planning pre-season training - involved in all things Academy including recruitment/contracts/individuals must to different age groups etc - monitoring the success/failure/inconsistencies of all backroom staff There will be more subjects / issues |
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Post by thornestein on Apr 6, 2024 10:35:38 GMT
we should already be preparing for next season so the appointment needs to happen soon , if it not Walters the new guy could have different ideas The interview in the sentinel is very clear, Walters hasn't been just a 'cheerleader' he's been heading up the planning for next season. No doubt he'll have had to plan for both league 1 and the championship it that’s irrelevant if he doesn’t get the job because if a new guy comes in his plans will be different to Walter’s so all that work is wasted |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 6, 2024 10:38:51 GMT
Who is this TD who wants a perm?
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Post by lordb on Apr 6, 2024 10:42:42 GMT
The interview in the sentinel is very clear, Walters hasn't been just a 'cheerleader' he's been heading up the planning for next season. No doubt he'll have had to plan for both league 1 and the championship it that’s irrelevant if he doesn’t get the job because if a new guy comes in his plans will be different to Walter’s so all that work is wasted Is it? Does any new person simply ignore all that prep and not use it? Seems an unlikely scenario |
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Post by stokecitytalke on Apr 6, 2024 10:44:12 GMT
Who is this TD who wants a perm? I had a perm in the late 70s. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 6, 2024 10:49:24 GMT
Who is this TD who wants a perm? I had a perm in the late 70s. How is it working out? |
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Post by stokecitytalke on Apr 6, 2024 10:52:18 GMT
I had a perm in the late 70s. How is it working out? It's worked out now - it was 45 years ago! I was going out with a hairdresser at the time. |
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Post by Fred Ferret on Apr 6, 2024 11:10:34 GMT
Would be interesting to know the full extent of his role during his time here. On the front facing side of it, it looks like he has just scampered down from the Ivory Towers, hit a few of the proles for not working and done a few motivational speeches to the fans. Cheerleading basically. My issue is he is so inexperienced in the role, even though he held the dual role with sister clubs Fleetwood and Waterford for 6 months. It clashes with me that we have so much money in the back pocket of the owners yet we seem to always plump for the lowest common denominator in such key roles, and are happy to take risks where either they shouldn't be taken or simply can't. With Schumacher being under 40, you'd think the wisest options at this point would be a very experienced operator to help guide him through the next few seasons, more of an ex football manager type, and then you could have a Walters type working alongside him too, learning the ropes of the TD role from both sides. A consultant if you like. Recent reports of Walters sat next to Coates thrashing his arms around in frustration at the football on offer doesn't sound like the stable base we need, and the settling influence John Coates clearly needs either. Still, he knows the club doesn't he? Nothing wrong with thrashing arms about in frustration at the match. A bit of full-on passion is what we have desperately needed. Fergi and Klopp don't seem to have suffered from expressing passion. He's got passion, the club at heart, apparently he has the qualifications, and he's a communicator. Very best wishes and good hunting JW. |
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Post by thornestein on Apr 6, 2024 11:30:09 GMT
it that’s irrelevant if he doesn’t get the job because if a new guy comes in his plans will be different to Walter’s so all that work is wasted Is it? Does any new person simply ignore all that prep and not use it? Seems an unlikely scenario yes because they have their own ideas |
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Post by lordb on Apr 6, 2024 11:47:33 GMT
Is it? Does any new person simply ignore all that prep and not use it? Seems an unlikely scenario yes because they have their own ideas Are all those ideas going to be completely different? Depends on who it is If its a non entity bullshitter like RM then yes they will come in and rip everything up, including anything good to show the world they are in charge If its a sensible person even if they have their own ideas they will build on whatever prep Walters is doing and go from there |
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Post by thornestein on Apr 6, 2024 11:50:54 GMT
yes because they have their own ideas Are all those ideas going to be completely different? Depends on who it is If its a non entity bullshitter like RM then yes they will come in and rip everything up, including anything good to show the world they are in charge If its a sensible person even if they have their own ideas they will build on whatever prep Walters is doing and go from there you just know it will be a RM clone |
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Post by lordb on Apr 6, 2024 11:51:48 GMT
Are all those ideas going to be completely different? Depends on who it is If its a non entity bullshitter like RM then yes they will come in and rip everything up, including anything good to show the world they are in charge If its a sensible person even if they have their own ideas they will build on whatever prep Walters is doing and go from there you just know it will be a RM clone If it is then zero sympathy I think it will be Walters |
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Post by thornestein on Apr 6, 2024 11:52:33 GMT
you just know it will be a RM clone If it is then zero sympathy I think it will be Walters probably yes so do it now |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 6, 2024 11:55:44 GMT
Who is this TD who wants a perm? Terry McDermott |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 6, 2024 12:00:30 GMT
Who is this TD who wants a perm? Terry McDermott And what a job they did |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 6, 2024 13:44:27 GMT
Who is this TD who wants a perm? You'll never know how close you are to the thread title being changed to Martin-Sacked:SJW Interim TD wants perm: jesusmcmuffin is a tw@t...  |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 6, 2024 13:47:01 GMT
Who is this TD who wants a perm? You'll never know how close you are to the thread title being changed to Martin-Sacked:SJW Interim TD wants perm: jesusmcmuffin is a tw@t... That would hurt so much |
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Post by datguy on Apr 6, 2024 13:57:28 GMT
I don't have a big problem with Walters getting appointed permanently.
Maybe I should - I don't know.
But for me and as I've said before, I think the man's CV would certainly put him in contention for a role at a similar sized club, so it seems like the biggest thing working against him is that it seems like a Jobs for the Boys appointment.
I don't think it would be. It helps he's a SCFC legend indeed but I'd have given him an interview with his post-playing career anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2024 7:15:21 GMT
Would be interesting to know the full extent of his role during his time here. On the front facing side of it, it looks like he has just scampered down from the Ivory Towers, hit a few of the proles for not working and done a few motivational speeches to the fans. Cheerleading basically. My issue is he is so inexperienced in the role, even though he held the dual role with sister clubs Fleetwood and Waterford for 6 months. It clashes with me that we have so much money in the back pocket of the owners yet we seem to always plump for the lowest common denominator in such key roles, and are happy to take risks where either they shouldn't be taken or simply can't. With Schumacher being under 40, you'd think the wisest options at this point would be a very experienced operator to help guide him through the next few seasons, more of an ex football manager type, and then you could have a Walters type working alongside him too, learning the ropes of the TD role from both sides. A consultant if you like. Recent reports of Walters sat next to Coates thrashing his arms around in frustration at the football on offer doesn't sound like the stable base we need, and the settling influence John Coates clearly needs either. Still, he knows the club doesn't he? Nothing wrong with thrashing arms about in frustration at the match. A bit of full-on passion is what we have desperately needed. Fergi and Klopp don't seem to have suffered from expressing passion. He's got passion, the club at heart, apparently he has the qualifications, and he's a communicator. Very best wishes and good hunting JW. I think with our owners there is a lot wrong with it. John is clearly a passionate Stoke fan and he clearly needs a cool, calm head around him just like Peter was. This 'pashun' thing is really overrated in football. What works, and certainly works upstairs is cold and calculated decision making, and not some young buck out to make a name for himself by running around hitting the proles on the shop floor and shouting at the fans like a crazed seal. Schumacher himself is only very young still. Clearly has talent as a coach and manager but this is a huge job, and as has been admitted by many more experienced managers a very strange and tough job. I think the clever move and play here by the owners would be a very experienced man (a Hodgson, Allardyce or even a Warnock or Pulis) as a consultant type sat between Walters and Schumacher in and around the boardroom to advise and coach both people, and even John too. Both of our key people clearly have talent, qualifications and in Walter's a knowledge of the club and the area but neither have the experience to ride out difficult times, and for me that is never overrated in football. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 7, 2024 9:57:26 GMT
Nothing wrong with thrashing arms about in frustration at the match. A bit of full-on passion is what we have desperately needed. Fergi and Klopp don't seem to have suffered from expressing passion. He's got passion, the club at heart, apparently he has the qualifications, and he's a communicator. Very best wishes and good hunting JW. I think with our owners there is a lot wrong with it. John is clearly a passionate Stoke fan and he clearly needs a cool, calm head around him just like Peter was. This 'pashun' thing is really overrated in football. What works, and certainly works upstairs is cold and calculated decision making, and not some young buck out to make a name for himself by running around hitting the proles on the shop floor and shouting at the fans like a crazed seal. Schumacher himself is only very young still. Clearly has talent as a coach and manager but this is a huge job, and as has been admitted by many more experienced managers a very strange and tough job. I think the clever move and play here by the owners would be a very experienced man (a Hodgson, Allardyce or even a Warnock or Pulis) as a consultant type sat between Walters and Schumacher in and around the boardroom to advise and coach both people, and even John too. Both of our key people clearly have talent, qualifications and in Walter's a knowledge of the club and the area but neither have the experience to ride out difficult times, and for me that is never overrated in football. I'd agree with that. The cleverest thing Pulis did was draw on the knowledge of John Rudge, Peter Reid and Gerry Francis. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 7, 2024 10:00:17 GMT
Nothing wrong with thrashing arms about in frustration at the match. A bit of full-on passion is what we have desperately needed. Fergi and Klopp don't seem to have suffered from expressing passion. He's got passion, the club at heart, apparently he has the qualifications, and he's a communicator. Very best wishes and good hunting JW. I think with our owners there is a lot wrong with it. John is clearly a passionate Stoke fan and he clearly needs a cool, calm head around him just like Peter was. This 'pashun' thing is really overrated in football. What works, and certainly works upstairs is cold and calculated decision making, and not some young buck out to make a name for himself by running around hitting the proles on the shop floor and shouting at the fans like a crazed seal. Schumacher himself is only very young still. Clearly has talent as a coach and manager but this is a huge job, and as has been admitted by many more experienced managers a very strange and tough job. I think the clever move and play here by the owners would be a very experienced man (a Hodgson, Allardyce or even a Warnock or Pulis) as a consultant type sat between Walters and Schumacher in and around the boardroom to advise and coach both people, and even John too. Both of our key people clearly have talent, qualifications and in Walter's a knowledge of the club and the area but neither have the experience to ride out difficult times, and for me that is never overrated in football. Personally I wouldn’t be surprised at all that prior to (and possibly still ongoing) the appointment of SJW the family didn’t reach out to TP for advice. If I were SJW I would have done similar as well seeking the thoughts/advice from other trusted footballing contacts that he undoubtedly has. He also possibly sought the opinions from Shawcross, Delap and Lawrence prior to his appointment. Inexperienced possibly, naive or stupid certainly not. |
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