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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 4, 2024 12:39:16 GMT
Schuey will be here next season and sjw will get the td job permanently. I personally hope so. Getting people in who have the club at heart can only be a positive move certainly in the medium term. Both Schumacher and Walters definitely have passion for the club and their respective responsibilities... |
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 4, 2024 12:44:16 GMT
Coming from the man who on the 29th March said Schuey should be fucked off from the club🤔🤣
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2024 12:46:21 GMT
Schuey will be here next season and sjw will get the td job permanently. I personally hope so. Getting people in who have the club at heart can only be a positive move certainly in the medium term. Both Schumacher and Walters definitely have passion for the club and their respective responsibilities... The owners have the club at heart and they’re fucking awful. It means naff all. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 4, 2024 12:47:34 GMT
I personally hope so. Getting people in who have the club at heart can only be a positive move certainly in the medium term. Both Schumacher and Walters definitely have passion for the club and their respective responsibilities... The owners have the club at heart and they’re fucking awful. It means naff all. Lol, fair point 😆 |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Apr 4, 2024 13:20:48 GMT
Right man for the job Walters spent the entirety of his Stoke playing career proving people, including yours truly, wrong. I'm sure he'll do the same in this new role and do an excellent job. Agreed,I was no great fan of Walters as a player either. Also a great example of extracting the most from a modest skills set as a player,a lesson many in our current squad would do well to take heed of. Level headed and rational enough to acknowledge his own foibles in the stop-start nature of his early career. He'll inevitably make mistakes if appointed,but seems honest enough to recognise them and guaranteed to work harder than most to ameliorate them. It's an irony that people have been crying out for someone to show some leadership,Walters has done just that with his rallying cries only to be met with derision and accusations from some of being small time. He's done his quals,but lacks the practical experience in the role,sure there will be many he can call on for advice and guidance. We may be able to do better but we could do a lot lot worse. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 4, 2024 13:24:39 GMT
Perhaps they didn't want to commit to a full time appointment as he had no real experience at this level. It sounds as if Walters himself is keen so perhaps he was given a chance to prove himself worthy of the permanent appointment. The club already knew he had good character and work ethic as a player here and he knows the club and presumably the owners already. He even references the fact that he doesn't see himself as interim technical director but as TD in interim with all the responsibilities he would have as a permanent appointment. Slight nuance but if he is putting in the hours he claims at the moment there is no way he is treating it as a temporary job. If Walters was brought in as a stop gap to rally the troops that would make sense. The issue is that he has been tasked to make medium/long term decisions. That doesn't make much sense because if he is replaced the new person will either ditch all the plans and unwind those already in play or live with decisions he isn't really committed to. If Walters is making medium/long term decisions they should just give the job so he can see out what he's done, not lumber the next person with a job half done. How is he going to prove he is the man for the job if he doesn't make medium and long term plans? You have obviously misunderstood my post. I don't think he was brought in as a stop gap, I think he was brought in to prove that he was the man for the job in the long term. He obviously wants it but the owners want proof that he is up to it. The plans for this summer should be made by now dependent on which division we will be in. You honestly think a new man can come in in May and discuss transfers /contracts from scratch in time for next season? Walters will have the job of discussing with Jared and Schumacher requirements, budgets and possible targets. He will be in discussion with players who will be out of contract in July, players who have an option for an extra year and loan players who maybe will be possible targets for us to sign again. He may also be finding out from other clubs which players are up for transfer or loan. Do you really think a new man can come in in May and do all that I time for pre season when most players and coaches at our level will be off on their holidays? |
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 4, 2024 13:26:21 GMT
A lot of people seem to be romancing about him knowing the club n not acknowledging the fact that he’s qualified up to the hilt🔴⚪️
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2024 14:18:26 GMT
Just give him the job FFS
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Apr 4, 2024 14:19:07 GMT
A lot of people seem to be romancing about him knowing the club n not acknowledging the fact that he’s qualified up to the hilt🔴⚪️ Would you prefer to be treated by a brain surgeon that just qualified with a long list of honours or someone with qualifications and 10/15 years experience? |
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Post by bolders on Apr 4, 2024 14:29:00 GMT
A lot of people seem to be romancing about him knowing the club n not acknowledging the fact that he’s qualified up to the hilt🔴⚪️ Would you prefer to be treated by a brain surgeon that just qualified with a long list of honours or someone with qualifications and 10/15 years experience? Very true but that 10/15 year experience surgeon is in the private sector we are more like the nhs. We get the best we can at our level. |
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Post by skip on Apr 4, 2024 14:44:56 GMT
A lot of people seem to be romancing about him knowing the club n not acknowledging the fact that he’s qualified up to the hilt🔴⚪️ Would you prefer to be treated by a brain surgeon that just qualified with a long list of honours or someone with qualifications and 10/15 years experience? A brain surgeon with a long list of honours will have ten or fifteen years of experience minimum. You can't have one without the other. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 4, 2024 15:24:50 GMT
Not against keeping Walters in some kind of role that's associate or learning on the job, but throwing him into this sort of situation is a massive call given his lack of experience. Bear in mind he's come in to immediately fight a fire and deal with some negative vibes.
Turning the ship around, developing a coherent transfer strategy, identifying weak points in the club structure is a very different thing to what he's currently doing. I love the bloke to bits but it would be a gamble to give him the job full time imo.
RE Qualifications and experience: Every shit manager we've appointed has been "qualified" to run a 2nd tier football club, it's an entirely different prospect when put into practice. He has 6 months experience at Fleetwood prior to this move, whatever way you cut it that's not a lot.
I don't think if it was anyone not called Jon Walters was appointed after 6 months at a League 1 club we'd be sat here saying "oh it's ok he's got his qualifications". I think there would be some real concern.
It looks like he's getting the job though and good luck to him, I certainly will not think any less of him if it doesn't work out, because you know with SJW you will get nothing but 100% effort.
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Post by lordb on Apr 4, 2024 16:27:58 GMT
I think many have simply gone 'oh its SJW thats great' whilst others have simply gone 'oh thats shit'
He has the required paper qualifications
he has shown great leadership , put to bed the 'cheerleader' argument showing that as drivel
he's made some clearly football driven decisions which look like sensible ones
can he organise pre season? can he drive the recruitment process? can he negotiate? > simple truth is don't know but don't know doesn't mean he can't
as Pugs said he proved us all wrong over & over as a player
no negatives so far only positives
can easily see us appointing someone much worse thats for sure
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 4, 2024 16:36:57 GMT
If not SJW I wouldn't mind Sir Les Ferdinand.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 4, 2024 16:39:20 GMT
If Walters was brought in as a stop gap to rally the troops that would make sense. The issue is that he has been tasked to make medium/long term decisions. That doesn't make much sense because if he is replaced the new person will either ditch all the plans and unwind those already in play or live with decisions he isn't really committed to. If Walters is making medium/long term decisions they should just give the job so he can see out what he's done, not lumber the next person with a job half done. How is he going to prove he is the man for the job if he doesn't make medium and long term plans? You have obviously misunderstood my post. I don't think he was brought in as a stop gap, I think he was brought in to prove that he was the man for the job in the long term. He obviously wants it but the owners want proof that he is up to it. The plans for this summer should be made by now dependent on which division we will be in. You honestly think a new man can come in in May and discuss transfers /contracts from scratch in time for next season? Walters will have the job of discussing with Jared and Schumacher requirements, budgets and possible targets. He will be in discussion with players who will be out of contract in July, players who have an option for an extra year and loan players who maybe will be possible targets for us to sign again. He may also be finding out from other clubs which players are up for transfer or loan. Do you really think a new man can come in in May and do all that I time for pre season when most players and coaches at our level will be off on their holidays? He can't prove he is the man for the job in the short term. If he is making medium/long term decisions those decisions will only prove to have been good decisions in the medium/long term. If Walters makes a medium/long term decision there is no way of judging he is capable of making good ones in the short term. The whole idea of an interim Technical Director is nuts - the job is all about the medium/long term. The only sensible reason for bringing in Walters as an interim is to rally the troops and help us stay up. An interim making medium/long term decisions is a terrible idea. If that is what he is doing he should just be given the job. |
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Post by ian57 on Apr 4, 2024 16:55:20 GMT
Coming from the man who on the 29th March said Schuey should be fucked off from the club🤔🤣 I managed to hook a few whoppers that day and fuck me my bait must still be fresh as I’ve hooked another. Now where did I put my landing net 😁 |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 4, 2024 16:58:58 GMT
Coming from the man who on the 29th March said Schuey should be fucked off from the club🤔🤣 I managed to hook a few whoppers that day and fuck me my bait must still be fresh as I’ve hooked another. Now where did I put my landing net 😁 It's probably up your arse with all the other shit |
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 4, 2024 17:25:15 GMT
Coming from the man who on the 29th March said Schuey should be fucked off from the club🤔🤣 I managed to hook a few whoppers that day and fuck me my bait must still be fresh as I’ve hooked another. Now where did I put my landing net 😁 Oooooh here we go🙄…you weren’t fishing at all, you posted when emotions were high n now you feel a bit of a dick🔴⚪️ |
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Post by march4 on Apr 4, 2024 17:28:00 GMT
SJW seems to be doing a good job so far.
Surely employing someone for a couple of months tells you more about their qualities in your business than a more remote recruitment process.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 4, 2024 17:28:36 GMT
If not SJW I wouldn't mind Sir Les Ferdinand. At QPR, in a city much more diverse than ours, he was heavily criticised for the amount of black people he employed. He also quit because of the criticism and abuse that came his way because of it. I don’t think he’d see Stoke as the best move given S-O-T’s reputation for being stuck in the past. |
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Post by ian57 on Apr 4, 2024 17:38:00 GMT
I managed to hook a few whoppers that day and fuck me my bait must still be fresh as I’ve hooked another. Now where did I put my landing net 😁 Oooooh here we go🙄…you weren’t fishing at all, you posted when emotions were high n now you feel a bit of a dick🔴⚪️ trawl back through all my posts and you will find that I have never made one negative remark about schuey apart from that wind up that some posters noticed immediately |
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Post by ian57 on Apr 4, 2024 17:39:51 GMT
I managed to hook a few whoppers that day and fuck me my bait must still be fresh as I’ve hooked another. Now where did I put my landing net 😁 It's probably up your arse with all the other shit I’ll take that insult as a compliment from an idiot cheers 😁 |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 4, 2024 19:06:24 GMT
If not SJW I wouldn't mind Sir Les Ferdinand. At QPR, in a city much more diverse than ours, he was heavily criticised for the amount of black people he employed. He also quit because of the criticism and abuse that came his way because of it. I don’t think he’d see Stoke as the best move given S-O-T’s reputation for being stuck in the past. SJW hasn't had any stick and he ticks the diversity box. |
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 4, 2024 19:18:25 GMT
If not SJW I wouldn't mind Sir Les Ferdinand. I'd rather have Sir Les Patterson |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2024 20:13:30 GMT
We will end up with some no mark from some no mark club.
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Post by bolders on Apr 4, 2024 21:21:28 GMT
We will end up with some no mark from some no mark club. Well a somebody at big/renowned club isn’t going drop down to us is he |
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Post by headsgoup on Apr 6, 2024 6:48:39 GMT
Appointing Jon Walters as Technical Director with his current level of experience would be the most Stoke decision ever.
I like him - who doesn't - but a few rallying cries do not a coherent football philosophy make.
We need better than a gamble, here.
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Post by boult on Apr 6, 2024 7:28:24 GMT
Someone linked the No Tippy-Tappy Podcast on this site - and it was a decent watch. Not as good as Under the Cosh, but still decent. Pulis mentioned he is regularly in touch with 'younger managers' and that's as close to football as he will get. I'm betting SJW (although not a manager) is one of those.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 6, 2024 7:46:35 GMT
Would be typical Stoke, but take a punt on someone, which is such an important role within the club, because "he knows the club".
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 6, 2024 7:52:20 GMT
You'd imagine that the list of people with any kind of track record in this role, at this level or higher, who would be prepared to come to Stoke this summer is small, verging on non-existent.
Even Webber's reputation fell off a cliff, and his foot-in-mouth episodes make him a non-starter.
What kind of pool is it being suggested we should be looking in for non-Walters candidates who are surer things?
People doing what kind of job at what level?
It's a moot discussion anyway as Walters is obviously going to get it.
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