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Post by anchorman on Apr 7, 2024 11:19:43 GMT
Just give him the job! The club would be insane not to appoint SJW . Not only has he got the necessary qualifications for the role he knows his stuff, well respected in the game and has limitless amounts of energy, drive and passion for the club. His heart and soul is in Stoke City FC and that sits nicely with his academic qualifications!
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Post by andystokey on Apr 7, 2024 14:54:38 GMT
I personally think we are right not to announce a permanent TD yet on two counts.
1. Survival is all that matters right now and we don't need even more gossip and SS looking over his shoulder to a new TD on the run in.
2. We have no idea which division this new TD needs to operate in and even who the head coach is (if we go down).
May and June is always phoney anyway. All our focus should be on getting safe, no distractions to the players or the coach. When we are certain make the appropriate choice.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 7, 2024 15:52:42 GMT
I think with our owners there is a lot wrong with it. John is clearly a passionate Stoke fan and he clearly needs a cool, calm head around him just like Peter was. This 'pashun' thing is really overrated in football. What works, and certainly works upstairs is cold and calculated decision making, and not some young buck out to make a name for himself by running around hitting the proles on the shop floor and shouting at the fans like a crazed seal. Schumacher himself is only very young still. Clearly has talent as a coach and manager but this is a huge job, and as has been admitted by many more experienced managers a very strange and tough job. I think the clever move and play here by the owners would be a very experienced man (a Hodgson, Allardyce or even a Warnock or Pulis) as a consultant type sat between Walters and Schumacher in and around the boardroom to advise and coach both people, and even John too. Both of our key people clearly have talent, qualifications and in Walter's a knowledge of the club and the area but neither have the experience to ride out difficult times, and for me that is never overrated in football. Personally I wouldn’t be surprised at all that prior to (and possibly still ongoing) the appointment of SJW the family didn’t reach out to TP for advice. If I were SJW I would have done similar as well seeking the thoughts/advice from other trusted footballing contacts that he undoubtedly has. He also possibly sought the opinions from Shawcross, Delap and Lawrence prior to his appointment. Inexperienced possibly, naive or stupid certainly not. As much as I respect Pulis for what he did for the club I don't see what he could contribute - he never worked as a Technical Director (in fact his relationship with those in that role was supposedly quite frosty), his style of play was the polar opposite of what Schumacher is trying to do and he'd been out of the game for some time. Pulis was the archetypal god manager who had a very particular playing style and was very hands on - involving him sounds disruptive to me. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 7, 2024 15:59:12 GMT
Personally I wouldn’t be surprised at all that prior to (and possibly still ongoing) the appointment of SJW the family didn’t reach out to TP for advice. If I were SJW I would have done similar as well seeking the thoughts/advice from other trusted footballing contacts that he undoubtedly has. He also possibly sought the opinions from Shawcross, Delap and Lawrence prior to his appointment. Inexperienced possibly, naive or stupid certainly not. As much as I respect Pulis for what he did for the club I don't see what he could contribute - he never worked as a Technical Director (in fact his relationship with those in that role was supposedly quite frosty), his style of play was the polar opposite of what Schumacher is trying to do and he'd been out of the game for some time. Pulis was the archetypal god manager who had a very particular playing style and was very hands on - involving him sounds disruptive to me. Cult of Pulis in full flow. We must have some of the most backwards-looking supporters in world football. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 7, 2024 18:41:04 GMT
Personally I wouldn’t be surprised at all that prior to (and possibly still ongoing) the appointment of SJW the family didn’t reach out to TP for advice. If I were SJW I would have done similar as well seeking the thoughts/advice from other trusted footballing contacts that he undoubtedly has. He also possibly sought the opinions from Shawcross, Delap and Lawrence prior to his appointment. Inexperienced possibly, naive or stupid certainly not. As much as I respect Pulis for what he did for the club I don't see what he could contribute - he never worked as a Technical Director (in fact his relationship with those in that role was supposedly quite frosty), his style of play was the polar opposite of what Schumacher is trying to do and he'd been out of the game for some time. Pulis was the archetypal god manager who had a very particular playing style and was very hands on - involving him sounds disruptive to me. Pulis worked with and would have sort Council from Rudgie, Reid, Francis et al. He stated publicly that he sought advice from both Ferguson and Coppell. “Supposedly Quite Frosty”. I’m certainly not on this inside comment on such. He would have a wealth of experience in football management (behind the scenes as well. Good/Bad and Indifferent) that may be valuable “if asked” |
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Post by lordb on Apr 7, 2024 18:42:49 GMT
As much as I respect Pulis for what he did for the club I don't see what he could contribute - he never worked as a Technical Director (in fact his relationship with those in that role was supposedly quite frosty), his style of play was the polar opposite of what Schumacher is trying to do and he'd been out of the game for some time. Pulis was the archetypal god manager who had a very particular playing style and was very hands on - involving him sounds disruptive to me. Pulis worked with and would have sort Council from Rudgie, Reid, Francis et al. He stated publicly that he sought advice from both Ferguson and Coppell. “Supposedly Quite Frosty”. I’m certainly not on this inside comment on such. He would have a wealth of experience in football management (behind the scenes as well. Good/Bad and Indifferent) that may be valuable “if asked” He was definitely frosty with various DoF types at the various clubs he was at |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 7, 2024 18:44:44 GMT
Pulis worked with and would have sort Council from Rudgie, Reid, Francis et al. He stated publicly that he sought advice from both Ferguson and Coppell. “Supposedly Quite Frosty”. I’m certainly not on this inside comment on such. He would have a wealth of experience in football management (behind the scenes as well. Good/Bad and Indifferent) that may be valuable “if asked” He was definitely frosty with various DoF types at the various clubs he was at Not being an insider I wouldn’t know. |
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Post by lordb on Apr 7, 2024 18:47:18 GMT
He was definitely frosty with various DoF types at the various clubs he was at Not being an insider I wouldn’t know. It's public knowledge, TP would not accept any interference from anyone anywhere seeking advice is a different matter Tbh I don't blame any manager DoF model where it fails is often where DoF gets involved where they shouldn't The obvious murky one is transfers |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 7, 2024 18:51:42 GMT
As much as I respect Pulis for what he did for the club I don't see what he could contribute - he never worked as a Technical Director (in fact his relationship with those in that role was supposedly quite frosty), his style of play was the polar opposite of what Schumacher is trying to do and he'd been out of the game for some time. Pulis was the archetypal god manager who had a very particular playing style and was very hands on - involving him sounds disruptive to me. Cult of Pulis in full flow. We must have some of the most backwards-looking supporters in world football. I’ll bite. I loved the atmosphere when saved from relegation, our promotion, trips to Wembley and our European adventure, the first I’d witnessed since the 70’s. Looking back, absolutely make no mistake. I imagine as a forward looking type of person you’ve enjoyed the last few years and are confident of seeing us repeating history in no time. |
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 7, 2024 19:02:16 GMT
Cult of Pulis in full flow. We must have some of the most backwards-looking supporters in world football. I’ll bite. I loved the atmosphere when saved from relegation, our promotion, trips to Wembley and our European adventure, the first I’d witnessed since the 70’s. Looking back, absolutely make no mistake. I imagine as a forward looking type of person you’ve enjoyed the last few years and are confident of seeing us repeating history in no time. We won't see anything like that again for another ten years minimum. Maybe if we're lucky a season in the Prem and straight back down. But a sustained ten year spell? Nah. Wright's pies, Pedigree and Championship football (fingers crossed) for the rest of the foreseeable future I reckon. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 7, 2024 19:08:18 GMT
Walters is nailed on to get the job
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Post by professorplump on Apr 7, 2024 19:27:32 GMT
I think with our owners there is a lot wrong with it. John is clearly a passionate Stoke fan and he clearly needs a cool, calm head around him just like Peter was. This 'pashun' thing is really overrated in football. What works, and certainly works upstairs is cold and calculated decision making, and not some young buck out to make a name for himself by running around hitting the proles on the shop floor and shouting at the fans like a crazed seal. Schumacher himself is only very young still. Clearly has talent as a coach and manager but this is a huge job, and as has been admitted by many more experienced managers a very strange and tough job. I think the clever move and play here by the owners would be a very experienced man (a Hodgson, Allardyce or even a Warnock or Pulis) as a consultant type sat between Walters and Schumacher in and around the boardroom to advise and coach both people, and even John too. Both of our key people clearly have talent, qualifications and in Walter's a knowledge of the club and the area but neither have the experience to ride out difficult times, and for me that is never overrated in football. Personally I wouldn’t be surprised at all that prior to (and possibly still ongoing) the appointment of SJW the family didn’t reach out to TP for advice. If I were SJW I would have done similar as well seeking the thoughts/advice from other trusted footballing contacts that he undoubtedly has. He also possibly sought the opinions from Shawcross, Delap and Lawrence prior to his appointment. Inexperienced possibly, naive or stupid certainly not. I would have thought it would be more relevant to get in touch with Fleetwood Town to see what they thought of him, since he was performing the TD role for them. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 7, 2024 19:31:33 GMT
Personally I wouldn’t be surprised at all that prior to (and possibly still ongoing) the appointment of SJW the family didn’t reach out to TP for advice. If I were SJW I would have done similar as well seeking the thoughts/advice from other trusted footballing contacts that he undoubtedly has. He also possibly sought the opinions from Shawcross, Delap and Lawrence prior to his appointment. Inexperienced possibly, naive or stupid certainly not. I would have thought it would be more relevant to get in touch with Fleetwood Town to see what they thought of him, since he was performing the TD role for them. I would have presumed they have |
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Post by SCFC92 on Apr 7, 2024 20:38:17 GMT
We are ultimately a lower championship team at the moment, so the best options in my opinion are people like Walters.
He isn't an idiot, he's done all the qualifications required, has done the job at Fleetwood and has now had a trial period with us, where by and large things are going well.
I think it's wrong to say all he's done is sit around shouting Goaarn at the team. He will no doubt day in, day out be working on the aspects of his role at the club.
All successful people start somewhere, let's hope Walters is successful and starts at Stoke.
We could do alot worse.
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Post by rowleyscfc on Apr 8, 2024 8:09:01 GMT
This 'getting the job because he knows the club' narrative is a disservice to Walters.
The bloke has got his degree, had a great career in the game prior, clearly loves his footy and Stoke.
Previously worked in the role at Fleetwood, so its not his first crack at it.
Role of a technical director is to instil a culture within the club, by identifying people for roles that fit the culture and get everyone pulling in the same direction.
So by 'knowing the club' he knows what us, the fans want, so hows that being twisted into a negative? or is it just to have another angle to dig at the Coates from?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2024 8:11:54 GMT
This 'getting the job because he knows the club' narrative is a disservice to Walters. The bloke has got his degree, had a great career in the game prior, clearly loves his footy and Stoke. Previously worked in the role at Fleetwood, so its not his first crack at it. Role of a technical director is to instil a culture within the club, by identifying people for roles that fit the culture and get everyone pulling in the same direction. So by 'knowing the club' he knows what us, the fans want, so hows that being twisted into a negative? or is it just to have another angle to dig at the Coates from? Why do you think he's the best man for the job? |
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Post by rowleyscfc on Apr 8, 2024 8:22:14 GMT
This 'getting the job because he knows the club' narrative is a disservice to Walters. The bloke has got his degree, had a great career in the game prior, clearly loves his footy and Stoke. Previously worked in the role at Fleetwood, so its not his first crack at it. Role of a technical director is to instil a culture within the club, by identifying people for roles that fit the culture and get everyone pulling in the same direction. So by 'knowing the club' he knows what us, the fans want, so hows that being twisted into a negative? or is it just to have another angle to dig at the Coates from? Why do you think he's the best man for the job? I'm not sure if he is, but you can't deny that there has been a positive upturn since he come through the door surely? Everyone in the thread who's calling it a lazy appointment, I haven't seen one person saying who they wished it was instead? Feel like if we carry on until the end of the season in good form and everyone on the pitch seems to be more happy and defiantly a lot more resilient, then my question is why wouldn't he keep his job? |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 8, 2024 8:33:47 GMT
Nothing wrong with thrashing arms about in frustration at the match. A bit of full-on passion is what we have desperately needed. Fergi and Klopp don't seem to have suffered from expressing passion. He's got passion, the club at heart, apparently he has the qualifications, and he's a communicator. Very best wishes and good hunting JW. I think with our owners there is a lot wrong with it. John is clearly a passionate Stoke fan and he clearly needs a cool, calm head around him just like Peter was. This 'pashun' thing is really overrated in football. What works, and certainly works upstairs is cold and calculated decision making, and not some young buck out to make a name for himself by running around hitting the proles on the shop floor and shouting at the fans like a crazed seal. Schumacher himself is only very young still. Clearly has talent as a coach and manager but this is a huge job, and as has been admitted by many more experienced managers a very strange and tough job. I think the clever move and play here by the owners would be a very experienced man (a Hodgson, Allardyce or even a Warnock or Pulis) as a consultant type sat between Walters and Schumacher in and around the boardroom to advise and coach both people, and even John too. Both of our key people clearly have talent, qualifications and in Walter's a knowledge of the club and the area but neither have the experience to ride out difficult times, and for me that is never overrated in football. Walters doesn't strike me as a bloke who goes OTT. He always appears calm and measured. He also seems hungry for the job which can only be a good thing. It's clear that him and StS have struck up a good working relationship really quickly and the experience they are going through now i.e. riding out a difficult time will only stand them in good stead. To me he's the man for the job. Bringing in any of the names above would be a retrograde step in my opinion. |
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Post by 36dd on Apr 8, 2024 8:39:14 GMT
This 'getting the job because he knows the club' narrative is a disservice to Walters. The bloke has got his degree, had a great career in the game prior, clearly loves his footy and Stoke. Previously worked in the role at Fleetwood, so its not his first crack at it. Role of a technical director is to instil a culture within the club, by identifying people for roles that fit the culture and get everyone pulling in the same direction. So by 'knowing the club' he knows what us, the fans want, so hows that being twisted into a negative? or is it just to have another angle to dig at the Coates from? I would rather have a Technical Director, who is qualified but fully understands the Fanbase & the community, than a person who is qualified but has no empathy towards the heartbeat of the club. Therefore if SJW is appointed full time, I would be happy. Tomorrow night some fans will get to meet him at the consultation meeting & sense his interests for Stoke City. |
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Post by rowleyscfc on Apr 8, 2024 8:43:08 GMT
This 'getting the job because he knows the club' narrative is a disservice to Walters. The bloke has got his degree, had a great career in the game prior, clearly loves his footy and Stoke. Previously worked in the role at Fleetwood, so its not his first crack at it. Role of a technical director is to instil a culture within the club, by identifying people for roles that fit the culture and get everyone pulling in the same direction. So by 'knowing the club' he knows what us, the fans want, so hows that being twisted into a negative? or is it just to have another angle to dig at the Coates from? I would rather have a Technical Director, who is qualified but fully understands the Fanbase & the community, than a person who is qualified but has no empathy towards the heartbeat of the club. Therefore if SJW is appointed full time, I would be happy. Tomorrow night some fans will get to meet him at the consultation meeting & sense his interests for Stoke City. Wouldn't say I disagree mate |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 8, 2024 9:21:24 GMT
He is getting the job and rightly so it vastly reduces the risk factor which in our case is very high in external unknown appointments as history shows
He’s done a decent short terms job and i for one sish him the best of luck over a critical summer.
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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 8, 2024 9:54:35 GMT
I see it not as ‘he knows the club’ more like ‘WE know he’s NOT a massive bellend’.
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Post by lordb on Apr 8, 2024 10:35:56 GMT
Just to recap Terry McDermott will be the new Technical Director and all staff to grow a 'tache and have a perm?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 8, 2024 15:00:38 GMT
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Post by rowleyscfc on Apr 8, 2024 15:03:12 GMT
Interesting that its changed from Technical director to Sporting director, all the best super Jonny Walters |
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Post by stiggerstackle on Apr 8, 2024 15:04:40 GMT
Excellent decision.
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Post by potter25 on Apr 8, 2024 15:05:44 GMT
It should be a minimum requirement that a DOF or Sporting Director should have played the game at a decent level
Not someone who talks about pillars and KPIs
All the best SJW
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Post by senojbor on Apr 8, 2024 15:08:35 GMT
Makes perfect sense. Good luck Jon lad
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 8, 2024 15:09:18 GMT
As I was told at the weekend he was nailed on to get the job
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Apr 8, 2024 15:09:48 GMT
Promoting ethnic diversity at the very top level can only be a good thing. Well done, Stoke.
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