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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 3, 2024 18:31:15 GMT
So he's the interim but is making key decisions that affect the long term, how does that work ? More mixed up thinking from the owners. What's the alternative? No long term planning whatsoever? |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 3, 2024 18:33:39 GMT
So he's the interim but is making key decisions that affect the long term, how does that work ? More mixed up thinking from the owners. What's the alternative? No long term planning whatsoever? The alternative was to install someone permanently if the plan was to make long term decisions. It was a stupid idea and like I say makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. |
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Post by Middle White Stripe on Apr 3, 2024 18:34:23 GMT
He has to be given the job permanently. Why? He understands more than anyone the stoke DNA. Why not? |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 3, 2024 18:42:19 GMT
What's the alternative? No long term planning whatsoever? The alternative was to install someone permanently if the plan was to make long term decisions. It was a stupid idea and like I say makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Who? Have we not rushed into enough decisions in the recent past? If the right candidate isn't available, you'd employ them anyway for the sake of having a permanent appointment? |
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Post by mamathestriker on Apr 3, 2024 18:49:03 GMT
The alternative was to install someone permanently if the plan was to make long term decisions. It was a stupid idea and like I say makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Who? Have we not rushed into enough decisions in the recent past? If the right candidate isn't available, you'd employ them anyway for the sake of having a permanent appointment? Exactly, I'm all for this appointment. The club have seen if he's up for the task and by all accounts it seems like he is. Better this than someone like Stuart Webber. It's definitely a club appointment too, rather than the manager's mate, which at least should offer some stability. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 3, 2024 18:51:00 GMT
I fucking hate clicking on this thread and seeing the video thumbnail of that pudding on the OP.
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 3, 2024 18:53:15 GMT
He understands more than anyone the stoke DNA. Why not? |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 3, 2024 19:11:11 GMT
The alternative was to install someone permanently if the plan was to make long term decisions. It was a stupid idea and like I say makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Who? Have we not rushed into enough decisions in the recent past? If the right candidate isn't available, you'd employ them anyway for the sake of having a permanent appointment? No, I would have waited and employed the right person for the job. Having an interim technical director making long term decisions makes no sense. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 3, 2024 19:26:18 GMT
Who? Have we not rushed into enough decisions in the recent past? If the right candidate isn't available, you'd employ them anyway for the sake of having a permanent appointment? No, I would have waited and employed the right person for the job. Having an interim technical director making long term decisions makes no sense. Right, so no long term plans in place whatsoever. Interesting idea. It wouldn't be for me. Let's be honest, it's going to be Super John Walters isn't it, and always was the second he was linked as interim (although I said the same about John Eustace becoming succeeding Alex Neil). To be honest, I have no real view on whether I think it's a good or bad appointment, but happy to see him get the chance. You can argue that we need someone with experience, but that's no guarantee of success. I just hope it doesn't end badly. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 3, 2024 19:44:33 GMT
No, I would have waited and employed the right person for the job. Having an interim technical director making long term decisions makes no sense. Right, so no long term plans in place whatsoever. Interesting idea. It wouldn't be for me. Let's be honest, it's going to be Super John Walters isn't it, and always was the second he was linked as interim (although I said the same about John Eustace becoming succeeding Alex Neil). To be honest, I have no real view on whether I think it's a good or bad appointment, but happy to see him get the chance. You can argue that we need someone with experience, but that's no guarantee of success. I just hope it doesn't end badly. Well if it is going to be him then why not just make it permanent now so everyone knows what's happening and to give him some authority in his position. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 3, 2024 19:47:03 GMT
Right, so no long term plans in place whatsoever. Interesting idea. It wouldn't be for me. Let's be honest, it's going to be Super John Walters isn't it, and always was the second he was linked as interim (although I said the same about John Eustace becoming succeeding Alex Neil). To be honest, I have no real view on whether I think it's a good or bad appointment, but happy to see him get the chance. You can argue that we need someone with experience, but that's no guarantee of success. I just hope it doesn't end badly. Well if it is going to be him then why not just make it permanent now so everyone knows what's happening and to give him some authorityin his position. Because it enables them to sound out other candidates who may be available between Martin leaving and the start of the next season. Whether that's the case, or whether SJW remains the best candidate, I don't know but I think it's sensible from the club. |
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Post by premieraj on Apr 3, 2024 19:48:07 GMT
Just a thought/question but how do we know he can handle the finance requirements of the role? Contract negotiations etc or doesn’t he have to do that?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 3, 2024 19:54:34 GMT
Just a thought/question but how do we know he can handle the finance requirements of the role? Contract negotiations etc or doesn’t he have to do that? We don't. But don't worry he's read lots of books and he's told John Coates he can do it so it's all alright 😟 We'll find out properly if his sums don't add up next year if we're facing a FFP breach. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2024 8:12:10 GMT
Jobs for the boys.
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Post by rowleyscfc on Apr 4, 2024 8:31:31 GMT
I know we should employ the best person for the role, but it is really hard to look past Walters atm, speaks really well
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 4, 2024 8:32:15 GMT
I have nothing against Walters, he seems like a decent chap, but I do worry that he's not properly qualified for such a role and he does seem to cosy and happy to blow smoke up JC's and the families arse at every possible opportunity. Not to say he wouldn't do a good job..
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Post by northernstokie on Apr 4, 2024 8:38:39 GMT
Just a thought/question but how do we know he can handle the finance requirements of the role? Contract negotiations etc or doesn’t he have to do that? Everyone has to start somewhere. No-one can really know until given the chance. The same would apply to every technical director at some point someone took a chance. |
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Post by premieraj on Apr 4, 2024 8:47:59 GMT
Just a thought/question but how do we know he can handle the finance requirements of the role? Contract negotiations etc or doesn’t he have to do that? Everyone has to start somewhere. No-one can really know until given the chance. The same would apply to every technical director at some point someone took a chance. I agree but that’s my point really the search is therefore looking for a rookie rather than an experienced technical director with proven ability. If everyone is accepting of that then that is fair enough. Obviously we don’t know what is going on and it maybe that availability is limited and therefore Walters is the best option available accepting his relative inexperience. He has a massive advantage re he is already respected at the club which gives him a fighting chance against really anyone they may consider who is unknown. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 4, 2024 9:17:21 GMT
As a fan and what I want from the club and team then Walters speaks for me. If he can back up the words then I'm all for it, however I would still opt for MON if there was a chance. Walters is still a risk but you can't argue he gets us.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 4, 2024 9:25:31 GMT
Everyone has to start somewhere. No-one can really know until given the chance. The same would apply to every technical director at some point someone took a chance. I agree but that’s my point really the search is therefore looking for a rookie rather than an experienced technical director with proven ability. If everyone is accepting of that then that is fair enough. Obviously we don’t know what is going on and it maybe that availability is limited and therefore Walters is the best option available accepting his relative inexperience. He has a massive advantage re he is already respected at the club which gives him a fighting chance against really anyone they may consider who is unknown. Experienced technical directors, from what I can make out, tend to be commercial figures like Martin who struggle to replicate their success at other clubs. Most clubs have worked out that the role demands a football man, and most seem to appoint a recently retired former player to the post. The ones who headhunt commercial types tend to be a complete circus (e.g. Man Utd, Newcastle, Chelsea, Sunderland, Stoke). Two people who fit the ball are Bojan and Walters. However, our recent experience of Martin compared to a more successful Director of Football like John Rudge tells us that the ideal candidate should be willing to work behind the scenes without trying to take the limelight off the manager. I love Bojan, but he overshadowed every manager we had after Hughes until he was sold. |
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Post by wuzza on Apr 4, 2024 9:34:33 GMT
I doubt anyone has a clear idea of what a TD is required to do - especially as it probably varies from club to club.
If the role is fundamentally orientated to stuff that happens on the pitch SJW seems as good a choice as anyone. He’s committed , down to earth , and a decent communicator. He’s also a bit of a comfort blanket for us to hold on to knowing that at least someone involved in day to day proceedings knows what ‘good’ looks like in terms of SCFC.
Give it a go I say.
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 4, 2024 9:41:21 GMT
I have nothing against Walters, he seems like a decent chap, but I do worry that he's not properly qualified for such a role and he does seem to cosy and happy to blow smoke up JC's and the families arse at every possible opportunity. Not to say he wouldn't do a good job.. He is qualified though, he's done his qualifications. |
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Post by femark on Apr 4, 2024 9:53:53 GMT
I have nothing against Walters, he seems like a decent chap, but I do worry that he's not properly qualified for such a role and he does seem to cosy and happy to blow smoke up JC's and the families arse at every possible opportunity. Not to say he wouldn't do a good job.. He is qualified though, he's done his qualifications. Exactly this! I don't understand why people think he isn't qualified or experienced for the role and think the only reason we have brought him in is because he was a former player. He has been working towards a role like this since he was still a player. I suggest people have a look at his linkedin page and decide whether he has the qualifications or experience required. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 4, 2024 10:11:55 GMT
What's the alternative? No long term planning whatsoever? The alternative was to install someone permanently if the plan was to make long term decisions. It was a stupid idea and like I say makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Perhaps they didn't want to commit to a full time appointment as he had no real experience at this level. It sounds as if Walters himself is keen so perhaps he was given a chance to prove himself worthy of the permanent appointment. The club already knew he had good character and work ethic as a player here and he knows the club and presumably the owners already. He even references the fact that he doesn't see himself as interim technical director but as TD in interim with all the responsibilities he would have as a permanent appointment. Slight nuance but if he is putting in the hours he claims at the moment there is no way he is treating it as a temporary job. |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 4, 2024 10:39:19 GMT
Right man for the job
Walters spent the entirety of his Stoke playing career proving people, including yours truly, wrong. I'm sure he'll do the same in this new role and do an excellent job.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 4, 2024 10:50:06 GMT
What's the alternative? No long term planning whatsoever? The alternative was to install someone permanently if the plan was to make long term decisions. It was a stupid idea and like I say makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Assuming Schumacher's still here at the start of next season, that's long-term at the moment and provides continuity with the kinds of players we'll be looking to sign. It's probably not just on the pitch either. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 4, 2024 11:42:55 GMT
The alternative was to install someone permanently if the plan was to make long term decisions. It was a stupid idea and like I say makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Perhaps they didn't want to commit to a full time appointment as he had no real experience at this level. It sounds as if Walters himself is keen so perhaps he was given a chance to prove himself worthy of the permanent appointment. The club already knew he had good character and work ethic as a player here and he knows the club and presumably the owners already. He even references the fact that he doesn't see himself as interim technical director but as TD in interim with all the responsibilities he would have as a permanent appointment. Slight nuance but if he is putting in the hours he claims at the moment there is no way he is treating it as a temporary job. If Walters was brought in as a stop gap to rally the troops that would make sense. The issue is that he has been tasked to make medium/long term decisions. That doesn't make much sense because if he is replaced the new person will either ditch all the plans and unwind those already in play or live with decisions he isn't really committed to. If Walters is making medium/long term decisions they should just give the job so he can see out what he's done, not lumber the next person with a job half done. |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 4, 2024 11:53:33 GMT
Wasn’t SJW a bit of an agitating shop steward/PFA type as a player? Club TD doesn’t strike me as his profile in the slightest tbh.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Apr 4, 2024 12:02:46 GMT
Can't win can he - or JC - So he should only be thinking Short Term should he? Well done him if he expresses an opinion based on Non Short Terms thinking - Thats where most unsuccessful businesses go wrong. You always need to have a long terms plan of 3/5/7 max years which gets updated all the time based on circumstances. E.G if we were relegated we would need a different plan to get back in the Championship. If in Championship we need a plan for that and possibly for the Premier league. Just shows how thick some of our supporters think. Well Done John Walters for doing the right thing and he has brought an energy to the club that was missing
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Post by ian57 on Apr 4, 2024 12:28:18 GMT
Schuey will be here next season and sjw will get the td job permanently.
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