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Post by clarkeda on Mar 15, 2024 6:40:01 GMT
He was regarded as one of the best for a while, weren’t Liverpool after him at one point? I’ve listened to a podcast he did and he talks about building a culture etc. Yeah, he was a very visible success story for the role early on. Linked with top clubs. But it did turn sour - he was a hate figure over recent seasons. Seems a bit of an arrogant so and so too. theathletic.com/4607081/2023/06/14/stuart-webber-norwich-city-departure/Why has Webber been criticised by Norwich fans this season?Primarily, the criticism regarding events on the pitch has come down to two points. As stated, Norwich’s recent failures have been pinned on their recruitment decisions and Webber has been held responsible for that. Since Farke’s sacking, there has also been the perceived loss of identity — and with that, almost a loss of pride for some supporters in what they are trying to do. Increasingly, however, the heat has come onto Webber for an approach to public leadership that you either view as honest or antagonistic. Interviews included criticism of complaining supporters, such as talking about people carrying bedsheets with slogans or “divorcees” sat in a corner of Carrow Road. None of this was a new phenomenon. It was during Webber’s first full season he suggested those supporters complaining about Norwich’s style of play under Farke being boring should go support another team. It is easier to get away with such statements across the wider supporter base when there is general buy-in for the direction of travel and club leadership. As that diminishes, so the negative points are more greatly exposed. Webber’s most recent 12 months at Norwich have been bookended by misguided timing when talking about his desire to climb Mount Everest, comments that took place on the eve of Norwich’s Premier League relegation, and then his latest round of interviews in May. As has been his recent trend, they once again included a desire to mention race when talking about the abuse he has faced from supporters. He also offered his personal feelings on women’s football when some had hoped for encouragement without caveats for the future of Norwich’s recently integrated team. Such public opining has often filtered into a perception that Webber has overseen a period at Norwich during which critical voices have been moved on, with levels of internal scrutiny and accountability not being as high as they could be. On the flip side, many supporters will have viewed Webber as the key to Norwich bouncing back from a dismal two seasons. As a result, they may be more fearful for the club’s future without him. Didn't have many supporters towards the end as the replies to this suggest Hadn’t seen any of this stuff but now I have he comes across as a right pube. Can wait to see him here next season in that case 🙄🙄 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2024 7:19:30 GMT
Why MoN? His signings were terrible and he as we got more of his player we got worse and more turgid. He was totally out of his depth. “His signings were terrible”………you really are something of a clueless mastermind They were. We got worse the longer he was here because of them and his non existent tactics. He did much better with what he inherited. |
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Post by dadofsam on Mar 15, 2024 7:26:21 GMT
If ever there was a role at a club that relies almost exclusively on sheer dumb luck it's Head of Recruitment.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 15, 2024 8:14:49 GMT
Why are we working ourselves into a fuss over this Webber link?. He might be one of many being considered, certainly doesn't suggest that he is close to being appointed.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Mar 15, 2024 8:35:22 GMT
“His signings were terrible”………you really are something of a clueless mastermind They were. We got worse the longer he was here because of them and his non existent tactics. He did much better with what he inherited. This is the kind of rubbish we are all too used to seeing from Bayern. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2024 8:48:10 GMT
They were. We got worse the longer he was here because of them and his non existent tactics. He did much better with what he inherited. This is the kind of rubbish we are all too used to seeing from Bayern. How is it rubbish? We were at our best under MON when he first got here. His signings were terrible as evidenced by the list of loanees earlier that were all crap for us. He shat himself and we went from an attacking team to one that had no pattern of play and couldn’t attack nor defend. And he was correctly sacked because of it. Now come back at me with a reasonable argument and not some gaslighting nonsense. |
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 15, 2024 9:36:40 GMT
This is the kind of rubbish we are all too used to seeing from Bayern. How is it rubbish? We were at our best under MON when he first got here. His signings were terrible as evidenced by the list of loanees earlier that were all crap for us. He shat himself and we went from an attacking team to one that had no pattern of play and couldn’t attack nor defend. And he was correctly sacked because of it. Now come back at me with a reasonable argument and not some gaslighting nonsense. We aren’t discussing him coming back as a manager though are we? The discussion is him potentially coming back as a DoF. Two completely different roles with different skill sets. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 15, 2024 10:08:16 GMT
They were. We got worse the longer he was here because of them and his non existent tactics. He did much better with what he inherited. This is the kind of rubbish we are all too used to seeing from Bayern. He's not wrong. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 15, 2024 10:09:44 GMT
How is it rubbish? We were at our best under MON when he first got here. His signings were terrible as evidenced by the list of loanees earlier that were all crap for us. He shat himself and we went from an attacking team to one that had no pattern of play and couldn’t attack nor defend. And he was correctly sacked because of it. Now come back at me with a reasonable argument and not some gaslighting nonsense. We aren’t discussing him coming back as a manager though are we? The discussion is him potentially coming back as a DoF. Two completely different roles with different skill sets. What experience does he have as a DOF? I know he has a qualification but anything else? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2024 12:40:07 GMT
How is it rubbish? We were at our best under MON when he first got here. His signings were terrible as evidenced by the list of loanees earlier that were all crap for us. He shat himself and we went from an attacking team to one that had no pattern of play and couldn’t attack nor defend. And he was correctly sacked because of it. Now come back at me with a reasonable argument and not some gaslighting nonsense. We aren’t discussing him coming back as a manager though are we? The discussion is him potentially coming back as a DoF. Two completely different roles with different skill sets. He signed terrible players. And we played terrible football. Why exactly does it show he’d be a good director of football? |
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Post by jokker on Mar 15, 2024 12:45:59 GMT
We aren’t discussing him coming back as a manager though are we? The discussion is him potentially coming back as a DoF. Two completely different roles with different skill sets. What experience does he have as a DOF? I know he has a qualification but anything else? General manager for NI, i.e. not just the selector for the full international side, but overseeing everything footballwise in NI, the structure for youth football, the selection of personnel etc. |
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 15, 2024 14:38:59 GMT
We aren’t discussing him coming back as a manager though are we? The discussion is him potentially coming back as a DoF. Two completely different roles with different skill sets. He signed terrible players. And we played terrible football. Why exactly does it show he’d be a good director of football? Because he’s educated, qualified, and experienced as a player, coach and manager across both domestic and international football. You’re not giving him remotely enough credit for the work he did when he was here. Not only did he save us from relegation to League 1, he also negotiated the pitfalls of a club moving away from parachute payments. Without him, I’m certain we would have been relegated and had points deductions. He also developed numerous young players who have subsequently been sold for millions, slashed the wage bill, moved on a mountain of dross we had on the books, and delivered two points totals of 60+ which we’d all kill for since he’s left. But yeah, apart from that he was absolutely shit. |
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 15, 2024 15:28:41 GMT
MON would be a very solid choice, an articulate and deep thinker, I am sure the club would be in good hands if he were to be appointed.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 15, 2024 15:32:53 GMT
Last thing we need is another David Brent figure  I can't quite get over this one - how on earth was he not instantly sacked for that?? He was the sporting director, presumably responsible for oversight of all teams, academies etc (like Tricky was), and he's publicly declaring he has zero interest in one of them? That's beyond negligence, it's flagrant contempt for his role. I can't understand how he remained in post even an hour after that was published. I'd go as far as to say it's a disgrace if we're even considering him for a role which involves overseeing the development of our women's team. edit- and even if he wasn't directly responsible for the women's team it's still openly contemptuous towards a branch of your own organisation. The obvious thing to do here is put the phone down, get the barge pole out and keep it well clear of him. So we'll see you on Monday Stuart, welcome to Stoke. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 15, 2024 16:06:33 GMT
He signed terrible players. And we played terrible football. Why exactly does it show he’d be a good director of football? Because he’s educated, qualified, and experienced as a player, coach and manager across both domestic and international football. You’re not giving him remotely enough credit for the work he did when he was here. Not only did he save us from relegation to League 1, he also negotiated the pitfalls of a club moving away from parachute payments. Without him, I’m certain we would have been relegated and had points deductions. He also developed numerous young players who have subsequently been sold for millions, slashed the wage bill, moved on a mountain of dross we had on the books, and delivered two points totals of 60+ which we’d all kill for since he’s left. But yeah, apart from that he was absolutely shit. All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, oh and peace, what have the Romans ever done for us? |
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Post by Northy on Mar 15, 2024 16:20:04 GMT
Last thing we need is another David Brent figure I can't quite get over this one - how on earth was he not instantly sacked for that?? He was the sporting director, presumably responsible for oversight of all teams, academies etc (like Tricky was), and he's publicly declaring he has zero interest in one of them? That's beyond negligence, it's flagrant contempt for his role. I can't understand how he remained in post even an hour after that was published. I'd go as far as to say it's a disgrace if we're even considering him for a role which involves overseeing the development of our women's team. edit- and even if he wasn't directly responsible for the women's team it's still openly contemptuous towards a branch of your own organisation. The obvious thing to do here is put the phone down, get the barge pole out and keep it well clear of him. So we'll see you on Monday Stuart, welcome to Stoke. he sounds like a right throbber. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 15, 2024 16:33:26 GMT
Why do so many of these TD types seem like absolute arseholes?
Is it in the job description?
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Post by Marc01 on Mar 15, 2024 16:35:12 GMT
Just double checked the radar:
“Stoke City problems from 2016 to 2024”
No Northern Irish drinkers of Whisky and Guinness were detectable…
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Post by jokker on Mar 15, 2024 17:29:56 GMT
We aren’t discussing him coming back as a manager though are we? The discussion is him potentially coming back as a DoF. Two completely different roles with different skill sets. He signed terrible players. And we played terrible football. Why exactly does it show he’d be a good director of football? His hands were somewhat tied in the transfer market. There was little money available. for fees and wages, although he got what the board was allowed to give him. I'm sure he would have liked to sign better players, but he just wasn't able to, but of course he still has to be judged on those he did sign, few of whom are around today. Also his on loan signings were more than once of a dubious nature, players were brought in, but they rarely played. The verdict "terrible football" more or less describes all of the six last years, but the first team he built with mostly players others signed but didn't play, was actually very good, for the short period it lasted. Powell and Tymon played the best football of their careers under MON, helped by bursts of form by Campbell, Fletcher, and of course Souttar. Then of course there was McClean and Clucas, both POTYs, but then villified. He should especially be judged on getting the house in order after Rowett's and Jones' excesses and divisive management, for being able to move on so many players who were on big wages but hardly ever playing. That's a quality that would stand well, were he to become DOF. Who knows he might even be able to move Pearson on...hopefully to some faraway country where he wouldn't be coming back to laugh at us. |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Mar 15, 2024 17:41:57 GMT
Why do so many of these TD types seem like absolute arseholes? Is it in the job description? I think there's something in the English North/south divide which makes us predisposed to being distrustful of southerners in suits that have a corporate/networking style of speaking. The big difference between Webber and Martin is intelligence and competence, it seems, but because he doesn't sound like a 'salt of the earth' working man we might not fancy him. Also everyone getting precious about him not watching women's football- really? Are you all avid watchers? I've got nothing against it but have no interest in watching either. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 15, 2024 17:57:31 GMT
Why do so many of these TD types seem like absolute arseholes? Is it in the job description? I think there's something in the English North/south divide which makes us predisposed to being distrustful of southerners in suits that have a corporate/networking style of speaking. The big difference between Webber and Martin is intelligence and competence, it seems, but because he doesn't sound like a 'salt of the earth' working man we might not fancy him. Also everyone getting precious about him not watching women's football- really? Are you all avid watchers? I've got nothing against it but have no interest in watching either. OK that's fine but when you are running a football club which has a women's team it's a stupid and arrogant thing to say Not a good combination he must be better than Ricky Martin but we can surely do better |
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 15, 2024 18:06:55 GMT
I'd rather we keep Walters than appoint another toxic bell end.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 15, 2024 18:33:57 GMT
Why do so many of these TD types seem like absolute arseholes? Is it in the job description? I think there's something in the English North/south divide which makes us predisposed to being distrustful of southerners in suits that have a corporate/networking style of speaking. The big difference between Webber and Martin is intelligence and competence, it seems, but because he doesn't sound like a 'salt of the earth' working man we might not fancy him. Also everyone getting precious about him not watching women's football- really? Are you all avid watchers? I've got nothing against it but have no interest in watching either. Isn’t a bloke in his position supposed to be good at PR and have good people skills? His comments suggest neither. |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Mar 15, 2024 18:53:27 GMT
I think there's something in the English North/south divide which makes us predisposed to being distrustful of southerners in suits that have a corporate/networking style of speaking. The big difference between Webber and Martin is intelligence and competence, it seems, but because he doesn't sound like a 'salt of the earth' working man we might not fancy him. Also everyone getting precious about him not watching women's football- really? Are you all avid watchers? I've got nothing against it but have no interest in watching either. OK that's fine but when you are running a football club which has a women's team it's a stupid and arrogant thing to say Not a good combination he must be better than Ricky Martin but we can surely do better Hmm I get the point but not sure. If he was directly asked then I don't see why he needs to lie? He also runs a medical department but nobody would be checking his knowledge or interest in biology. If it was just a random outburst though then I would probably agree with you |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2024 19:05:39 GMT
He signed terrible players. And we played terrible football. Why exactly does it show he’d be a good director of football? Because he’s educated, qualified, and experienced as a player, coach and manager across both domestic and international football. You’re not giving him remotely enough credit for the work he did when he was here. Not only did he save us from relegation to League 1, he also negotiated the pitfalls of a club moving away from parachute payments. Without him, I’m certain we would have been relegated and had points deductions. He also developed numerous young players who have subsequently been sold for millions, slashed the wage bill, moved on a mountain of dross we had on the books, and delivered two points totals of 60+ which we’d all kill for since he’s left. But yeah, apart from that he was absolutely shit. His first season was excellent, the rest was awful. He was backed more than most managers in this league and still fucked it up like the rest of them. Comparing shit with shit isn’t what will get us out of this mess. He was an out of his depth bottle job. |
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Post by greenstones on Mar 15, 2024 19:30:07 GMT
Why do so many of these TD types seem like absolute arseholes? Is it in the job description? I think there's something in the English North/south divide which makes us predisposed to being distrustful of southerners in suits that have a corporate/networking style of speaking. The big difference between Webber and Martin is intelligence and competence, it seems, but because he doesn't sound like a 'salt of the earth' working man we might not fancy him. Also everyone getting precious about him not watching women's football- really? Are you all avid watchers? I've got nothing against it but have no interest in watching either. |
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Post by greenstones on Mar 15, 2024 19:31:59 GMT
I think there's something in the English North/south divide which makes us predisposed to being distrustful of southerners in suits that have a corporate/networking style of speaking. The big difference between Webber and Martin is intelligence and competence, it seems, but because he doesn't sound like a 'salt of the earth' working man we might not fancy him. Also everyone getting precious about him not watching women's football- really? Are you all avid watchers? I've got nothing against it but have no interest in watching either. Except he’s not a Southerner he’s Welsh and started off on the ground staff at Wrexham |
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Post by Glory Hunter on Mar 15, 2024 19:37:58 GMT
We aren’t discussing him coming back as a manager though are we? The discussion is him potentially coming back as a DoF. Two completely different roles with different skill sets. He signed terrible players. And we played terrible football. Why exactly does it show he’d be a good director of football? He signed what he could with literally no money while we battled with the FFP issues AND while he was transitioning a squad that needed to be churned (either because they were overpaid, or disruptive, or crap or a mixture of all 3). He kept us up with both hands tied behind his back which was a minor (or maybe major) miracle. Maybe it’s not the job for him, it’s all speculation and probably nonsense, but to disrespect what he achieved here is pathetic. |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Mar 15, 2024 19:38:21 GMT
Except he’s not a Southerner he’s Welsh and started off on the ground staff at Wrexham Whoops 😂😂 Still think most of those points apply though despite the lack of due diligence! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2024 19:49:14 GMT
He signed terrible players. And we played terrible football. Why exactly does it show he’d be a good director of football? He signed what he could with literally no money while we battled with the FFP issues AND while he was transitioning a squad that needed to be churned (either because they were overpaid, or disruptive, or crap or a mixture of all 3). He kept us up with both hands tied behind his back which was a minor (or maybe major) miracle. Maybe it’s not the job for him, it’s all speculation and probably nonsense, but to disrespect what he achieved here is pathetic. He’s literally the reason we needed a complete rebuild this summer. He was given money, he made high end loan signings, he made a big money free transfer (Gayle). He was backed. And he used it terribly. |
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