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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 14, 2024 17:57:23 GMT
Last thing we need is another David Brent figure   Sounds liike a right wanker Still I’ll give him a chance if he lands |
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Post by crowey on Mar 14, 2024 18:00:38 GMT
…. can’t we just keep SJW in the post?
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Post by spiderpuss on Mar 14, 2024 18:03:16 GMT
Do we need one?
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Mar 14, 2024 18:26:36 GMT
Clearly a few levels above bloody Ricky Martin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2024 18:32:08 GMT
Stuart Webber, that will get the pulses racing.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 14, 2024 18:35:23 GMT
Yankee Google Dandy was churning out names from FM23 like Sergei from Compare the Meerkats. It went wrong for my money once Tricky Ricky got involved, you could toss a coin and get a better recruitment result than he did.
If SJW can do the contracts stuff and apply TP's DNAometer I'd stick with what we've got over David Brent 2.0.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 14, 2024 18:38:22 GMT
The bloke currently in the post seems to be doing ok? MON would still be my choice if we had to have one, but overall I still maintain it’s a role that clouds responsibility, creates confusion and undermines the first team coach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2024 18:41:35 GMT
The bloke currently in the post seems to be doing ok? MON would still be my choice if we had to have one, but overall I still maintain it’s a role that clouds responsibility, creates confusion and undermines the first team coach. Yet has worked at every successful club for the last couple of decades. A manager having total control is days of old. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 14, 2024 18:43:42 GMT
Norwich had some success; was that down to this fella?
Norwich haven’t been that much better than us for the last couple of years; is that down to this fella?
Sounds like a bit of a prick to me.
I’d be happy for SJW to continue in the role, unless we can get someone with a record of sustained success, like Brentford or Brighton ( not a one off that could have been coincidence).
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Post by nonameface on Mar 14, 2024 19:16:03 GMT
Webber didn't luck out with Farke, because he did all the good work with Wagner at Huddersfield previous to that. He has something about him for definite and as posted above, Norwich's problem was a lack of spending and selling their best players after their promotions. Sadly he comes across as a bit of a prick and a snake oil salesman but I get the feeling that it comes with the territory with that kind of role, and if you are after one without any of those characteristics it will be a very, very small shortlist. Look on the other side. He saw right through Neil and Martin at Norwich in double quick time and got rid of them pronto, so there is something between the ears there for sure. Good to see your post as it's offering a positive to someone i have no clue about. Personal preference would be to have someone who would go under the radar. Generally, as people Stokies aren't particularly boastful, which is why Walters has been well received initially and as w club we need the unity. Wouldn't be so quick to rush away from Walters.. he's been in 5 minutes |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Mar 14, 2024 19:16:33 GMT
Norwich had some success; was that down to this fella? Norwich haven’t been that much better than us for the last couple of years; is that down to this fella? Sounds like a bit of a prick to me. I’d be happy for SJW to continue in the role, unless we can get someone with a record of sustained success, like Brentford or Brighton ( not a one off that could have been coincidence). Compare the last 6 years Norwich had with ours. Even this year, which they would see quite negatively, sees them in a play off place. Did the guys hired by Brighton and Brentford have a proven record at this level or higher when hired? Ex player bounce isn't usually the answer. Man United and Chelsea both tried it with managers and you might get a short term bump, but long term you need the most skilled person for the role. De Rossi looks good at Roma but it's the exception rather than the rule. Maybe SJW is also an exception, but I don't think we should be against someone relatively proven like Webber coming in |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 14, 2024 19:29:19 GMT
What, than someone who is demonstrably a massive weapon? We've just got rid of one of them. So yes I think I would. It is possible to actually get in someone experienced and who isn't a total wanker you know. We need to get the right person and if it takes a while so be it. I'll take your word for it. |
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Post by march4 on Mar 14, 2024 19:30:21 GMT
The bloke currently in the post seems to be doing ok? MON would still be my choice if we had to have one, but overall I still maintain it’s a role that clouds responsibility, creates confusion and undermines the first team coach. Yet has worked at every successful club for the last couple of decades. A manager having total control is days of old. Football is over 150 years old and never needed this model before, neither do the world’s largest organisations. It is just a passing fad. |
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Post by loosestools on Mar 14, 2024 19:34:09 GMT
I would like to see a position for both MON and SJW. They are both intelligent people who know about football. I dont want another bullshitting powerpoint chancer. Lets just stick with who we know, for safety's stake.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 14, 2024 19:36:28 GMT
Webber sounds like my kind of guy
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Post by lordb on Mar 14, 2024 19:39:10 GMT
The bloke currently in the post seems to be doing ok? MON would still be my choice if we had to have one, but overall I still maintain it’s a role that clouds responsibility, creates confusion and undermines the first team coach. Yet has worked at every successful club for the last couple of decades. A manager having total control is days of old. And has caused problems at every failing club If we have to have one then the right person could really help the wrong one the opposite |
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Post by yellowsnowman on Mar 14, 2024 19:49:22 GMT
Nope me mates a norwich fan and hes kinda glad hes going.
Hopefully we can do better. No idea who mind.
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Post by skip on Mar 14, 2024 19:58:30 GMT
Square pegs get rammed into round holes at the top of businesses too, let alone on the pitch, so Instead of trying to find a person to fill a spurious role that no one quite knows what it is, why not let SJW discuss what his role could be and take it from there, and let him contribute towards the running of Stoke City.
Sometimes, when someone proves immediate worth, write a job around them that they want and can respond to whole heartedly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2024 20:43:29 GMT
The bloke currently in the post seems to be doing ok? MON would still be my choice if we had to have one, but overall I still maintain it’s a role that clouds responsibility, creates confusion and undermines the first team coach. Why MoN? His signings were terrible and he as we got more of his player we got worse and more turgid. He was totally out of his depth. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2024 20:49:58 GMT
The bloke currently in the post seems to be doing ok? MON would still be my choice if we had to have one, but overall I still maintain it’s a role that clouds responsibility, creates confusion and undermines the first team coach. Why MoN? His signings were terrible and he as we got more of his player we got worse and more turgid. He was totally out of his depth. Another bottle job who was doing well until we got thumped one game and then shit the bed. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2024 20:51:22 GMT
Why MoN? His signings were terrible and he as we got more of his player we got worse and more turgid. He was totally out of his depth. Another bottle job who was doing well until we got thumped one game and then shit the bed. Yup. |
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Mar 14, 2024 21:02:18 GMT
Kinda like what he has to say.
Won't be boring at least, especially when he's 6 pints down and shirtless by Sir Stans statue offering a few out.
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Post by lordb on Mar 14, 2024 22:16:25 GMT
The bloke currently in the post seems to be doing ok? MON would still be my choice if we had to have one, but overall I still maintain it’s a role that clouds responsibility, creates confusion and undermines the first team coach. Why MoN? His signings were terrible and he as we got more of his player we got worse and more turgid. He was totally out of his depth. His signing gs, especially his loan signings we're good Would happily have Clarke, Bidace, Harwood Bellis, Ostigaard, Gunn, Norrington Davis, Sima at the club right now, all gone on to be good players Played more young players than any Stoke manager since Mills Got Stoke safe when he started with 8 points in November yes it went turgid but don't want him back as manager want a football man who is smart with money to set the tone, lead the club and support the manager not another bullshiter like Weber Not adverse to leaving SJW as his leadership has been pitch perfect |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2024 22:35:48 GMT
Why MoN? His signings were terrible and he as we got more of his player we got worse and more turgid. He was totally out of his depth. His signing gs, especially his loan signings we're good Would happily have Clarke, Bidace, Harwood Bellis, Ostigaard, Gunn, Norrington Davis, Sima at the club right now, all gone on to be good players Played more young players than any Stoke manager since Mills Got Stoke safe when he started with 8 points in November yes it went turgid but don't want him back as manager want a football man who is smart with money to set the tone, lead the club and support the manager not another bullshiter like Weber Not adverse to leaving SJW as his leadership has been pitch perfect None of them were good for us. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 14, 2024 22:55:09 GMT
His signing gs, especially his loan signings we're good Would happily have Clarke, Bidace, Harwood Bellis, Ostigaard, Gunn, Norrington Davis, Sima at the club right now, all gone on to be good players Played more young players than any Stoke manager since Mills Got Stoke safe when he started with 8 points in November yes it went turgid but don't want him back as manager want a football man who is smart with money to set the tone, lead the club and support the manager not another bullshiter like Weber Not adverse to leaving SJW as his leadership has been pitch perfect None of them were good for us. Maybe. But they were better than what we had since. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2024 23:06:10 GMT
None of them were good for us. Maybe. But they were better than what we had since. We really need to stop comparing shit with shit. It’s not how you get out of this mess. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 14, 2024 23:13:26 GMT
Maybe. But they were better than what we had since. We really need to stop comparing shit with shit. It’s not how you get out of this mess. I didn’t realise it was our job to get us out of this mess? I thought this was a forum to chat shit as opposed to get out of shit. |
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Post by marylandstoke on Mar 15, 2024 0:24:47 GMT
Yet has worked at every successful club for the last couple of decades. A manager having total control is days of old. Football is over 150 years old and never needed this model before, neither do the world’s largest organisations. It is just a passing fad. If there is a ‘passing fad’ can we teach it to our midfield? |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 15, 2024 3:48:52 GMT
The bloke currently in the post seems to be doing ok? MON would still be my choice if we had to have one, but overall I still maintain it’s a role that clouds responsibility, creates confusion and undermines the first team coach. Why MoN? His signings were terrible and he as we got more of his player we got worse and more turgid. He was totally out of his depth. “His signings were terrible”………you really are something of a clueless mastermind |
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Post by s7oke on Mar 15, 2024 4:58:17 GMT
He was regarded as one of the best for a while, weren’t Liverpool after him at one point? I’ve listened to a podcast he did and he talks about building a culture etc. Yeah, he was a very visible success story for the role early on. Linked with top clubs. But it did turn sour - he was a hate figure over recent seasons. Seems a bit of an arrogant so and so too. theathletic.com/4607081/2023/06/14/stuart-webber-norwich-city-departure/Why has Webber been criticised by Norwich fans this season?Primarily, the criticism regarding events on the pitch has come down to two points. As stated, Norwich’s recent failures have been pinned on their recruitment decisions and Webber has been held responsible for that. Since Farke’s sacking, there has also been the perceived loss of identity — and with that, almost a loss of pride for some supporters in what they are trying to do. Increasingly, however, the heat has come onto Webber for an approach to public leadership that you either view as honest or antagonistic. Interviews included criticism of complaining supporters, such as talking about people carrying bedsheets with slogans or “divorcees” sat in a corner of Carrow Road. None of this was a new phenomenon. It was during Webber’s first full season he suggested those supporters complaining about Norwich’s style of play under Farke being boring should go support another team. It is easier to get away with such statements across the wider supporter base when there is general buy-in for the direction of travel and club leadership. As that diminishes, so the negative points are more greatly exposed. Webber’s most recent 12 months at Norwich have been bookended by misguided timing when talking about his desire to climb Mount Everest, comments that took place on the eve of Norwich’s Premier League relegation, and then his latest round of interviews in May. As has been his recent trend, they once again included a desire to mention race when talking about the abuse he has faced from supporters. He also offered his personal feelings on women’s football when some had hoped for encouragement without caveats for the future of Norwich’s recently integrated team. Such public opining has often filtered into a perception that Webber has overseen a period at Norwich during which critical voices have been moved on, with levels of internal scrutiny and accountability not being as high as they could be. On the flip side, many supporters will have viewed Webber as the key to Norwich bouncing back from a dismal two seasons. As a result, they may be more fearful for the club’s future without him. Didn't have many supporters towards the end as the replies to this suggest Seems to be another tricky Ricky but maybe not so smarmy Does not appear to be on anyone’s Christmas card list at Norwich Oh and he appears to be a right BELLEND |
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