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Post by mrnovember on Feb 23, 2024 18:55:18 GMT
We might as well have employed the inanimate carbon rod. He's basically a mascot at this stage. Right decision to get rid of Martin, it doesn't half scream "we're in trouble!" There's a Simpsons reference for everything. |
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Post by onepara on Feb 23, 2024 19:09:21 GMT
You should know by now that Bacon knows EVERYTHING. Everything he says is correct and that is all that matters..facts or evidence? No none of that matters where Bacon is concerned. What's in his head that he imagines up is always 100% correct. I’ve given up interacting with the knobber mate I think he's Bayern in disguise. |
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Post by questionable on Feb 23, 2024 19:33:38 GMT
Remarkably people lose their jobs apart from one person every single time, stunned that folk can’t see the real problem
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Post by gaznandi on Feb 23, 2024 20:16:19 GMT
Remarkably people lose their jobs apart from one person every single time, stunned that folk can’t see the real problem Questionable by name, Questionable by nature. |
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Post by march4 on Feb 23, 2024 20:46:15 GMT
I seriously hope not. And Steve seems too humble for it. But is there a risk his nose is put out a little with SJW being such a club idol rocking up and watching over him. It might make him feel more stressed rather than less. About 20 years ago, I was part of a 3 man leadership team. Chairman, COO, CFO. We developed the vision between us and each of us knew our roles and responsibilities and how they related to the vision. If someone was needing help the others jumped in to ensure success. This nonsense of who's the boss/Who's looking over my shoulder has no place in modern business. The job is too big for one person, and yet all parts of the job need to be in absolute synch to be successful. IF the team members are more concerned with petty rivalries, then we're doomed to failure. When the leadership team is focused on helping each other achieve the mission, we'll be a force to reckon with. Try telling the Pope, try telling Joe Biden, try telling Jeff Bezos, try telling Denise Coates. Throughout history shared leadership models have been tried. They all end up reverting back to one leader. |
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Post by pushon on Feb 23, 2024 21:48:51 GMT
About 20 years ago, I was part of a 3 man leadership team. Chairman, COO, CFO. We developed the vision between us and each of us knew our roles and responsibilities and how they related to the vision. If someone was needing help the others jumped in to ensure success. This nonsense of who's the boss/Who's looking over my shoulder has no place in modern business. The job is too big for one person, and yet all parts of the job need to be in absolute synch to be successful. IF the team members are more concerned with petty rivalries, then we're doomed to failure. When the leadership team is focused on helping each other achieve the mission, we'll be a force to reckon with. Try telling the Pope, try telling Joe Biden, try telling Jeff Bezos, try telling Denise Coates. Throughout history shared leadership models have been tried. They all end up reverting back to one leader. I get a bit confused when the team are criticised for not having enough leaders, I always understood that you have one team leader and the others are followers. I mean they can't all lead, can they? |
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 23, 2024 22:14:23 GMT
Would it have made any differance if we had waited until we got someone in permenant? Exactly. Top appointment by the Club. And.. who knows .. SJW could be the greatest talent spotter and football visionary and administrator on the planet. |
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 23, 2024 22:23:59 GMT
It's a very important role to fill, we simply have to get it absolutely spot on, for me SS should be involved in the process, they have to get on and share footballing ideals. I agree that we don't want to go down the route of his TD at Plymouth though.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Feb 23, 2024 22:58:35 GMT
It's a very important role to fill, we simply have to get it absolutely spot on, for me SS should be involved in the process, they have to get on and share footballing ideals. I agree that we don't want to go down the route of his TD at Plymouth though. In principle we should move away from the 'jobs for the boys' model, however, since that is our usual.. We might as well do it one last time since in this case the boy (dewsnip) is actually very good |
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Post by i1da on Feb 23, 2024 23:21:54 GMT
About 20 years ago, I was part of a 3 man leadership team. Chairman, COO, CFO. We developed the vision between us and each of us knew our roles and responsibilities and how they related to the vision. If someone was needing help the others jumped in to ensure success. This nonsense of who's the boss/Who's looking over my shoulder has no place in modern business. The job is too big for one person, and yet all parts of the job need to be in absolute synch to be successful. IF the team members are more concerned with petty rivalries, then we're doomed to failure. When the leadership team is focused on helping each other achieve the mission, we'll be a force to reckon with. Try telling the Pope, try telling Joe Biden, try telling Jeff Bezos, try telling Denise Coates. Throughout history shared leadership models have been tried. They all end up reverting back to one leader. Woah! At least keep the examples realistic, how is Joe Biden a leader of anything? But getting back to the point, of course someone has to be in charge (as our Chairman ultimately was), but if that person works as part of a team, you'll get better decision making than if they adopt "it's my way or the highway" approach. |
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Post by i1da on Feb 23, 2024 23:23:25 GMT
Try telling the Pope, try telling Joe Biden, try telling Jeff Bezos, try telling Denise Coates. Throughout history shared leadership models have been tried. They all end up reverting back to one leader. I get a bit confused when the team are criticised for not having enough leaders, I always understood that you have one team leader and the others are followers. I mean they can't all lead, can they? Some of the greatest teams in history have had leaders all over the pitch. |
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Post by i1da on Feb 23, 2024 23:25:08 GMT
Remarkably people lose their jobs apart from one person every single time, stunned that folk can’t see the real problem I guess you're talking about the owner? Erm....... Would you fire yourself if it was your money swirling the drain? |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 24, 2024 1:23:53 GMT
It's a very important role to fill, we simply have to get it absolutely spot on, for me SS should be involved in the process, they have to get on and share footballing ideals. I agree that we don't want to go down the route of his TD at Plymouth though. David Moyes has been offered a contract but he’s thinking about it? Two Evertonians together? |
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 24, 2024 1:45:01 GMT
It's a very important role to fill, we simply have to get it absolutely spot on, for me SS should be involved in the process, they have to get on and share footballing ideals. I agree that we don't want to go down the route of his TD at Plymouth though. David Moyes has been offered a contract but he’s thinking about it? Two Evertonians together? How do you know this owd? |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Feb 24, 2024 3:49:30 GMT
David Moyes has been offered a contract but he’s thinking about it? Two Evertonians together? How do you know this owd? What? Moyes has been offered a new contract at West Ham. Either the guy you were replying to got it very very wrong or you did |
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 24, 2024 4:46:48 GMT
How do you know this owd? What? Moyes has been offered a new contract at West Ham. Either the guy you were replying to got it very very wrong or you did It was the 2 evertonions together comment that threw me🤷♀️ |
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Post by s7oke on Feb 24, 2024 5:25:57 GMT
We might as well have employed the inanimate carbon rod. He's basically a mascot at this stage. Right decision to get rid of Martin, it doesn't half scream "we're in trouble!" We are in trouble We are in free fall Something had to be done and for most Martin was the one who had to go Bringing in JW is a change and a change that was needed wether he’s the right man for the job remains to be seen temporarily but everyone has to get behind the team now and hope JW knocks a few heads together JC has obviously gone with someone he trusts and knows which is not a bad thing What makes someone qualified to be a technical director? Who knows JW may just work and we could at the end of the season be lauding his appointment as a master stroke stranger things have happened Personally I think he will move into another role when the correct person is found Hopefully the board will ask advice from the correct people to help with the appointment and not rush into it. First things first let’s stay in this league and give the manager our backing and support and then in the summer we can move on to rebuilding our squad (again). So starting with a win today will do wonders GOOOOOAAAAARRRRRNNNNN STOKE ! |
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Post by satoshi on Feb 24, 2024 6:59:55 GMT
I’ve given up interacting with the knobber mate I think he's Bayern in disguise. He’s not as far left as Bayern. |
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Post by satoshi on Feb 24, 2024 7:03:12 GMT
Sometimes you don’t need someone with an A level in football you need someone with a positive aura and a certain presence that money can’t buy.
SJW has exactly that. He loves this club and he thrived here. This could be one hell of an appointment.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 24, 2024 8:26:09 GMT
Try telling the Pope, try telling Joe Biden, try telling Jeff Bezos, try telling Denise Coates. Throughout history shared leadership models have been tried. They all end up reverting back to one leader. I get a bit confused when the team are criticised for not having enough leaders, I always understood that you have one team leader and the others are followers. I mean they can't all lead, can they? The top of every large organisations is usually a figurehead - they actually do very little other than being the face of the organization. Successful large organizations have devolved structures with leaders at every level. Even a football team has more than one leader - the coach leads from the sidelines, there is one captain who represents the team to the referee, there is always a leader at the back, one for the midfield and possibly one up front as well. The one leader bollocks is a dictatorship and all dictatorships are inefficient, unhappy regimes that eventually fall apart. |
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Post by meirparkpotter on Feb 24, 2024 8:31:18 GMT
Sometimes you don’t need someone with an A level in football you need someone with a positive aura and a certain presence that money can’t buy. SJW has exactly that. He loves this club and he thrived here. This could be one hell of an appointment. John also has a raft of qualifications though that far outstrip A-Levels. He literally studied for this exact role. If you think SJW is in any way under-qualified to be our DoF from an education perspective, you're way off the mark. The fact he also then knows the club and has that presence you allude to just makes it an even more sensible appointment |
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Post by satoshi on Feb 24, 2024 9:30:34 GMT
Sometimes you don’t need someone with an A level in football you need someone with a positive aura and a certain presence that money can’t buy. SJW has exactly that. He loves this club and he thrived here. This could be one hell of an appointment. John also has a raft of qualifications though that far outstrip A-Levels. He literally studied for this exact role. If you think SJW is in any way under-qualified to be our DoF from an education perspective, you're way off the mark. The fact he also then knows the club and has that presence you allude to just makes it an even more sensible appointment How many gce’s does he have? |
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Post by baconburger on Feb 24, 2024 9:34:25 GMT
Why would you let an interim do that? You'd be saddling a full time appointee with JW's vision. it shouldn't be one man's vision anymore, should be a uniforn style of play that we try to achieve from top to bottom that can withstand personnel changes at every level I completely agree that it should but I don’t agree that such has been established at Stoke, mainly due to the owners flip flopping and lack of conviction on anything other than what the last person in the room convinced him of. He should be the one providing at least the outline of a blueprint for the TD/SD/DoF to implement. Worse still the club seems to have that effect on those they employ that they all too willingly abandon any beliefs and philosophies to try to keep their seat on the gravy train. I fear nothing much will change so long as no one at the club actually believes in something more substantial than wanting to be more successful and self preservation. That starts at the top, if he doesn’t actually believe in any football philosophy at least buy into someone else’s and commit to it. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 24, 2024 9:36:56 GMT
Ultimately, everything about what Walters will do and what Ricky Martin did is unfounded speculation.
The only way we'd actually know is if the club released job specifications for the technical director, recruitment director and head coach positions. I doubt they will because I can't think of another club that has ever done that.
The only things that we really know about Ricky's influence are:
I think he said in a press conference that he has responsibility for the footballing side of the club.
He and Simon King (NOT Alex Neil) released a statement last summer outlining a particular tactical style for the club.
He sacked a lot of youth coaches and replaced them. I don't think any of us are involved enough to know if this was a good or bad thing, but it was odd to sack Gareth Owen and then reappoint him.
He led the recruitment process for Schumacher.
He was wheeled out to talk about each new signing.
Anything else?
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Post by i1da on Feb 24, 2024 10:55:16 GMT
Ultimately, everything about what Walters will do and what Ricky Martin did is unfounded speculation. The only way we'd actually know is if the club released job specifications for the technical director, recruitment director and head coach positions. I doubt they will because I can't think of another club that has ever done that. The only things that we really know about Ricky's influence are: I think he said in a press conference that he has responsibility for the footballing side of the club. He and Simon King (NOT Alex Neil) released a statement last summer outlining a particular tactical style for the club. He sacked a lot of youth coaches and replaced them. I don't think any of us are involved enough to know if this was a good or bad thing, but it was odd to sack Gareth Owen and then reappoint him. He led the recruitment process for Schumacher. He was wheeled out to talk about each new signing. Anything else? If not the job specification, at least publish a defined set of objectives. That way everyone will know if they achieve their objectives or not. If an employee's sole criteria is to never be late to work, that's what you'll get - a punctual blob that achieves nothing else. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 24, 2024 11:46:57 GMT
David Moyes has been offered a contract but he’s thinking about it? Two Evertonians together? How do you know this owd? I read it on Sky Sports. Sorry no more inside information than most 😁 |
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 24, 2024 13:05:19 GMT
John also has a raft of qualifications though that far outstrip A-Levels. He literally studied for this exact role. If you think SJW is in any way under-qualified to be our DoF from an education perspective, you're way off the mark. The fact he also then knows the club and has that presence you allude to just makes it an even more sensible appointment How many gce’s does he have? Have you never met anyone who left school at sixteen with bary any qualifications but is now owner of a lucrative business. You need nouse just as much as qualifications. I think Jon has both. |
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Post by lordb on Feb 24, 2024 13:06:49 GMT
How do you know this owd? I read it on Sky Sports. Sorry no more inside information than most 😁 I think your previous post may have been read as Moyes has been offered a contract by Stoke |
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Post by satoshi on Feb 24, 2024 13:17:22 GMT
How many gce’s does he have? Have you never met anyone who left school at sixteen with bary any qualifications but is now owner of a lucrative business. You need nouse just as much as qualifications. I think Jon has both. Yes, me 😂👍 |
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Post by thornestein on Feb 24, 2024 13:43:41 GMT
Have you never met anyone who left school at sixteen with bary any qualifications but is now owner of a lucrative business. You need nouse just as much as qualifications. I think Jon has both. Yes, me 😂👍 Jeremy Clarkeson hasn’t done to bad with his hundreds of millions considering he did shite in all his exams |
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