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Post by Sfance on Feb 22, 2024 23:33:35 GMT
Stay the fuck away from Dewsnip, if it goes tits up for Schuey then we’re back in the same situation yet again. We’re the third richest club in England, use those resources to find an impartial DOF. Or just appoint Bojan because why on earth wouldn’t you. Because Bayern will see that as a move to please the gullible folk 😂 Everyone’s gullible, except Bayern. It’s time for everyone to admit it. |
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Post by Gods on Feb 23, 2024 0:08:58 GMT
So who are the culture architects then? 🤣 Tricky Ricky is truly master of the corporate psycho-babble. He must be the only person on the planet who takes these lower middle management training courses seriously enough to parrot the utter tripe you get on them. At some point he'll be carted off by men in white coats, the only thing you don't know is exactly when! 😆 I had R.Martin's card marked back in September of last year! |
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Post by mrnovember on Feb 23, 2024 0:10:07 GMT
It's rather tempting to make a circumcision joke on this thread.
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Post by tuum on Feb 23, 2024 0:11:48 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement. So why did SS accept the job then or did the situation change once SS was on seat? Note, I genuinely don't expect an answer from you given your relationship to SS but your statement does raise a few questions. |
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Post by MilanStokie on Feb 23, 2024 0:18:37 GMT
Tricky Ricky is truly master of the corporate psycho-babble. He must be the only person on the planet who takes these lower middle management training courses seriously enough to parrot the utter tripe you get on them. At some point he'll be carted off by men in white coats, the only thing you don't know is exactly when! 😆 I had R.Martin's card marked back in September of last year! You mean you had heard of him?? |
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Post by Gods on Feb 23, 2024 0:24:48 GMT
I had R.Martin's card marked back in September of last year! You mean you had heard of him?? Ha! I wonder if men in white coats did finally drag him away kicking and screaming! |
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Post by tuum on Feb 23, 2024 0:25:24 GMT
I am still not sure why we got rid of RM.
Despite all the noise on here about RM being toxic I have not seen anything that actually confirms this.
Interfering in team selection? No evidence.
Clash of personalities with SS forcing JC into backing one of them? No evidence.
Poor recruitment? Possibly but did it warrant making the change in Feb rather than at end of season?
Sacrificial lamb because JC could see the fans had turned on RM (based on nothing more than hearsay and unsubstantiated social media posts). Most probably.
I am not saying the decision is not the correct one but it seems to me that RM is the victim of a witch-hunt. Other than the poor recruitment I am not aware of other issues that would warrant making the change.
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Post by dudnostokie on Feb 23, 2024 0:40:02 GMT
I am still not sure why we got rid of RM. Despite all the noise on here about RM being toxic I have not seen anything that actually confirms this. Interfering in team selection? No evidence. Clash of personalities with SS forcing JC into backing one of them? No evidence. Poor recruitment? Possibly but did it warrant making the change in Feb rather than at end of season? Sacrificial lamb because JC could see the fans had turned on RM (based on nothing more than hearsay and unsubstantiated social media posts). Most probably. I am not saying the decision is not the correct one but it seems to me that RM is the victim of a witch-hunt. Other than the poor recruitment I am not aware of other issues that would warrant making the change. It has to be the recruitment side of things right? Mmae, Vidigal, Leris, Wesley, Clarke, Hoever (at a stretch), Stevens (for the amount of time played), Johnson. All of which are either in the bomb squad, or fringe players that aren't good enough. Really the only recent signings that I think will come good are Burger, Ennis, Gooch (though can be inconsistent) and maybe Bae. Rose and McNally are questionable. I can't really see any other reason, recruitment has been abysmal. |
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Post by spitshaw on Feb 23, 2024 1:46:29 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement. This brings up the question of whether the problem here was a personality one between Schumacher and Martin and they just didn't get along personally... or whether it's an issue Schumacher had with the actual position of the technical director and the influence and power they have? Will Steve be able to work under another technical director if the job descriptions stay the same? |
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Post by Gods on Feb 23, 2024 3:44:56 GMT
I am still not sure why we got rid of RM. Despite all the noise on here about RM being toxic I have not seen anything that actually confirms this. Interfering in team selection? No evidence. Clash of personalities with SS forcing JC into backing one of them? No evidence. Poor recruitment? Possibly but did it warrant making the change in Feb rather than at end of season? Sacrificial lamb because JC could see the fans had turned on RM (based on nothing more than hearsay and unsubstantiated social media posts). Most probably. I am not saying the decision is not the correct one but it seems to me that RM is the victim of a witch-hunt. Other than the poor recruitment I am not aware of other issues that would warrant making the change. I guess it was because he was Director of Football and everything he touched turned to shit. And he was thoroughly disliked for racing around firing popular staff like Rory Delap. Simplistically everyone thought he was a complete knob. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 23, 2024 4:50:36 GMT
I am still not sure why we got rid of RM. Despite all the noise on here about RM being toxic I have not seen anything that actually confirms this. Interfering in team selection? No evidence. Clash of personalities with SS forcing JC into backing one of them? No evidence. Poor recruitment? Possibly but did it warrant making the change in Feb rather than at end of season? Sacrificial lamb because JC could see the fans had turned on RM (based on nothing more than hearsay and unsubstantiated social media posts). Most probably. I am not saying the decision is not the correct one but it seems to me that RM is the victim of a witch-hunt. Other than the poor recruitment I am not aware of other issues that would warrant making the change. Recruitment is an ongoing process 52 weeks a year, plus minor things like organising and agreeing to pre-season training/friendlies etc. You couldn’t afford to keep him in position with only 12/13 matches to go and losing potentiality 10 1st team squad players in May/June, plus any ins/outs from the academy. His dismissal has been forward planning or would you have preferred him to have been involved in player recruitment for next season with his appalling record? |
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Post by thornestein on Feb 23, 2024 4:54:48 GMT
isn’t it the same as Neil recommending his mate Martin for the job , i’d prefer someone who’s not connected to anyone at the club I would say the difference is that Walters has a connection with the club alongside the manager. Rather than one single connection via the manager. Isn't that an obvious answer to this question or am I missing something. i’m on about Dewsnip who’s been linked |
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Post by stokieinlondon on Feb 23, 2024 5:26:05 GMT
Ricky Martin will be Livid he’s Leaving Stoke-a.
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Post by rowbeartoe on Feb 23, 2024 5:59:10 GMT
Can I ask what exactly will SJW's day to day role be roughly? If we have only hired him on an interim basis, I would hate for him to be drumming up some kind of transfer strategy for the summer and put in a lot of work in that regard only for us to do a typical Stoke thing and then hire someone else come May and everything he's set up gets ripped up as the new man has a totally different outlook.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Feb 23, 2024 6:01:05 GMT
I am still not sure why we got rid of RM. Despite all the noise on here about RM being toxic I have not seen anything that actually confirms this. Interfering in team selection? No evidence. Clash of personalities with SS forcing JC into backing one of them? No evidence. Poor recruitment? Possibly but did it warrant making the change in Feb rather than at end of season? Sacrificial lamb because JC could see the fans had turned on RM (based on nothing more than hearsay and unsubstantiated social media posts). Most probably. I am not saying the decision is not the correct one but it seems to me that RM is the victim of a witch-hunt. Other than the poor recruitment I am not aware of other issues that would warrant making the change. Did you not listen to him speak ever? |
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 23, 2024 6:33:26 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement. So why did SS accept the job then or did the situation change once SS was on seat? Note, I genuinely don't expect an answer from you given your relationship to SS but your statement does raise a few questions. I think it's safe to say it happened after he was appointed. Looking at some of the comments floating around the media it looks like Ricky got himself into a higher position, his chest grew a bit bigger, his head grew a bit bigger and he was just an all round arrogant twat destroying morale amongst players and staff. He seems to have treated the players like assets rather than valued members of the club and made Schumachers job 10x harder. It looks like he has been interfering rather than supporting. I could be wrong but that's the general feeling I get. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 23, 2024 6:38:21 GMT
Can I ask what exactly will SJW's day to day role be roughly? If we have only hired him on an interim basis, I would hate for him to be drumming up some kind of transfer strategy for the summer and put in a lot of work in that regard only for us to do a typical Stoke thing and then hire someone else come May and everything he's set up gets ripped up as the new man has a totally different outlook. Maybe to help Schumacher reunite players and staff. If Walters off the pitch is anything like Walters on the pitch then everyone around him will raise their game. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 23, 2024 6:40:40 GMT
So why did SS accept the job then or did the situation change once SS was on seat? Note, I genuinely don't expect an answer from you given your relationship to SS but your statement does raise a few questions. I think it's safe to say it happened after he was appointed. Looking at some of the comments floating around the media it looks like Ricky got himself into a higher position, his chest grew a bit bigger, his head grew a bit bigger and he was just an all round arrogant twat destroying morale amongst players and staff. He seems to have treated the players like assets rather than valued members of the club and made Schumachers job 10x harder. It looks like he has been interfering rather than supporting. I could be wrong but that's the general feeling I get. Well he definitely failed his five pillars shite. Positive culture my arse. That alone was enough to get rid imo |
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 23, 2024 6:48:26 GMT
I think it's safe to say it happened after he was appointed. Looking at some of the comments floating around the media it looks like Ricky got himself into a higher position, his chest grew a bit bigger, his head grew a bit bigger and he was just an all round arrogant twat destroying morale amongst players and staff. He seems to have treated the players like assets rather than valued members of the club and made Schumachers job 10x harder. It looks like he has been interfering rather than supporting. I could be wrong but that's the general feeling I get. Well he definitely failed his five pillars shite. Positive culture my arse. That alone was enough to get rid imo Some people can't see their own arrogance and think they are great at what they do, they like to take credit for this that and the other when it's largely down to other people. The type of people that say I did this, I have done that and forget it's a team effort and forget it's all about WE not me. These people don't realise how disliked they are, they destroy the soul in a place and bring everyone's mood down when they enter a room. If Ricky is one of those then good riddance |
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Post by tuum on Feb 23, 2024 7:12:01 GMT
I am still not sure why we got rid of RM. Despite all the noise on here about RM being toxic I have not seen anything that actually confirms this. Interfering in team selection? No evidence. Clash of personalities with SS forcing JC into backing one of them? No evidence. Poor recruitment? Possibly but did it warrant making the change in Feb rather than at end of season? Sacrificial lamb because JC could see the fans had turned on RM (based on nothing more than hearsay and unsubstantiated social media posts). Most probably. I am not saying the decision is not the correct one but it seems to me that RM is the victim of a witch-hunt. Other than the poor recruitment I am not aware of other issues that would warrant making the change. Did you not listen to him speak ever? No. Never ever heard him speak. I have seen a few quotes from him and he seems to like his buzzwords but I know loads of people in mid-senior mgt who use similar phrases. As much as it makes me laugh, it's not enough to sack someone. Shoot them yes, but sacking them is a bit harsh. |
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Post by nott1 on Feb 23, 2024 7:19:31 GMT
One thing we do know about RM.........he knows where all the worlds crap players are and how to recruit them!
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Post by tuum on Feb 23, 2024 7:21:11 GMT
Can I ask what exactly will SJW's day to day role be roughly? If we have only hired him on an interim basis, I would hate for him to be drumming up some kind of transfer strategy for the summer and put in a lot of work in that regard only for us to do a typical Stoke thing and then hire someone else come May and everything he's set up gets ripped up as the new man has a totally different outlook. Maybe to help Schumacher reunite players and staff. If Walters off the pitch is anything like Walters on the pitch then everyone around him will raise their game. Not sure it is DoF's job to motivate the team. However, if RM really was as toxic as people seem to think then maybe having someone in place who supports the manager rather than undermines him may be necessary at this stage of the season. Not sure what SJW can do re.future recruitment if he is only here until May. Perhaps add an extra line to Jared's job description that states he needs to have a metric for character and personality before recommending a player. |
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Post by satoshi on Feb 23, 2024 7:37:12 GMT
One thing we do know about RM.........he knows where all the worlds crap players are and how to recruit them! He definitely hangs around parks in a mack |
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Post by andystokey on Feb 23, 2024 7:43:37 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement. This brings up the question of whether the problem here was a personality one between Schumacher and Martin and they just didn't get along personally... or whether it's an issue Schumacher had with the actual position of the technical director and the influence and power they have? Will Steve be able to work under another technical director if the job descriptions stay the same? Regardless of the job or industry David Brent would have been impossible to work for. Especially following a footballing mentor and confidante like Dewsnip. The bloke was a grade A cock. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 23, 2024 7:46:31 GMT
Maybe to help Schumacher reunite players and staff. If Walters off the pitch is anything like Walters on the pitch then everyone around him will raise their game. Not sure it is DoF's job to motivate the team. However, if RM really was as toxic as people seem to think then maybe having someone in place who supports the manager rather than undermines him may be necessary at this stage of the season. Not sure what SJW can do re.future recruitment if he is only here until May. Perhaps add an extra line to Jared's job description that states he needs to have a metric for character and personality before recommending a player. I was thinking more of making them feel part of the club not necessarily motivate them. I don't think he will be going in the dressing room on match day to G the team up. Schumacher's job will be to motivate them but their needs to be people around the club to make it feel like it's one big family all with the same goal of helping the club move forward. If players feel like assets rather than part of the club then their will be tension, they will feel they are being used. For a coach to do their job properly they need to be able to create a bond with players to help motivate them to improve, if the players don't feel they are really wanted by the club then it's harder to coach them. Imagine going work feeling like you are only there to be trained up and sold off, it's hardly going to motivate you to do the best for the club is it. Walters coming back shows he is still a part of the Stoke City family even after his playing career has ended. I think that's a good message to send players which apply themselves well. |
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Post by jonso on Feb 23, 2024 7:51:57 GMT
Getting SJW in ,with his drive for success and back story shows he has the right attitude.
Success in any job starts there.
Has he got all the skills for success?
Maybe not now, but the best in any job never started with all the skills.
Skill can be learned and applied with the right attitude.
Has he got track record for success in his endeavours? Yes.
Skill and will is the base line.
Let’s see. I’m hoping for the best as SJW is one of my favourites.
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Post by Middle White Stripe on Feb 23, 2024 8:04:07 GMT
I would love him to succeed and make us combative again 🙂
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 23, 2024 8:05:35 GMT
Not sure it is DoF's job to motivate the team. However, if RM really was as toxic as people seem to think then maybe having someone in place who supports the manager rather than undermines him may be necessary at this stage of the season. Not sure what SJW can do re.future recruitment if he is only here until May. Perhaps add an extra line to Jared's job description that states he needs to have a metric for character and personality before recommending a player. I was thinking more of making them feel part of the club not necessarily motivate them. I don't think he will be going in the dressing room on match day to G the team up. Schumacher's job will be to motivate them but their needs to be people around the club to make it feel like it's one big family all with the same goal of helping the club move forward. If players feel like assets rather than part of the club then their will be tension, they will feel they are being used. For a coach to do their job properly they need to be able to create a bond with players to help motivate them to improve, if the players don't feel they are really wanted by the club then it's harder to coach them. Imagine going work feeling like you are only there to be trained up and sold off, it's hardly going to motivate you to do the best for the club is it. Walters coming back shows he is still a part of the Stoke City family even after his playing career has ended. I think that's a good message to send players which apply themselves well. This is my reading of the situation. I don't think SJW is here to do the dry, technical, long term strategy work you would normally expect of a Technical Director and in fact as an interim (which doesn't make any sense for that sort of role anyway) he can't. He's here to get rid of the toxic atmosphere and bring in a feel good factor. And it sounds like that's what is needed. Having said that I think Martin is fast becoming the ultimate scapegoat and being blamed for all the bad things that have happened at the club. His role in transfers in particular is being massively overstated. If the reports about the atmosphere he created are true he had to go but to think this solves all our problems is very naive. |
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Post by ravey123 on Feb 23, 2024 8:07:51 GMT
Well he definitely failed his five pillars shite. Positive culture my arse. That alone was enough to get rid imo Some people can't see their own arrogance and think they are great at what they do, they like to take credit for this that and the other when it's largely down to other people. The type of people that say I did this, I have done that and forget it's a team effort and forget it's all about WE not me. These people don't realise how disliked they are, they destroy the soul in a place and bring everyone's mood down when they enter a room. If Ricky is one of those then good riddance That is a fabulous paragraph. I think we probably all know one or more people like that (I certainly do) and what you say is spot on. I can never be doing with all this psychobabble/clever jingoistic words that they use and credit they take for others actions when it tends to be those that work hard and keep their head down that get things done and make businesses function. |
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Post by fazza90 on Feb 23, 2024 8:30:51 GMT
I am still not sure why we got rid of RM. Despite all the noise on here about RM being toxic I have not seen anything that actually confirms this. Interfering in team selection? No evidence. Clash of personalities with SS forcing JC into backing one of them? No evidence. Poor recruitment? Possibly but did it warrant making the change in Feb rather than at end of season? Sacrificial lamb because JC could see the fans had turned on RM (based on nothing more than hearsay and unsubstantiated social media posts). Most probably. I am not saying the decision is not the correct one but it seems to me that RM is the victim of a witch-hunt. Other than the poor recruitment I am not aware of other issues that would warrant making the change. I'm hoping that just because we have no evidence, doesn't mean those things weren't happening. To be totally honest I don't know the full list of his responsibilities and so I can't say if he's been a success or not but I know he was heavily involved in transfers and we've bought in some rubbish in the past 18 months. As you say, does it deserve to be sacked - possibly not depending on his other responsibilities. But I would like to think JC hasn't sacked him purely to calm a baying mob of people who have no idea what really goes on the majority of the time. Because this move will likely make zero difference to the on field performance which is where our biggest and most immediate problem is, so what happens if results don't improve and in a few weeks time there's another name that a lot of people assume is at fault for the sh*t show on the pitch. |
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