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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 22, 2024 21:59:52 GMT
If this comes to pass presumably Benji will be singing the clubs praises Right decision on Martin 12 months too late it was blatantly obvious he was a cord issue and failing abysmally but right division well done JC , SJW can’t harm as an interim while the role and people spec are redefined . Dewsnip I think is a concern because Schumacher is , the role should be for the best candidate and I suspect Schumacher won’t be here by the time this appointment is made |
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Post by etebojan on Feb 22, 2024 22:01:46 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement. Thats great to hear fishlovesoatcakes, presume if you're this relieved then Ste/Schuey must be ecstatic |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 22, 2024 22:04:36 GMT
Fair play to Benji on this one He saw this useless tosser for what he was early doors! Easy for him, he calls everyone useless. Bound to get many right over last 7 years 🤣 Simon king done a great job and I’ve said it all along but don’t get facts spoil a myth |
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Feb 22, 2024 22:04:43 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement. I hope you’ll be writing a book on this when it’s all over.😂😂 |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 22, 2024 22:08:54 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement. Thats great to hear fishlovesoatcakes, presume if you're this relieved then Ste/Schuey must be ecstatic I think we'll all be ecstatic when we get to summer. We all want players who are invested in Stoke. If they're not, goodbye 🤬 |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 22, 2024 22:09:06 GMT
Well said, you've put a realistic insight into this situation👌 ...*cough*...and another thing.... surely your technical director/director of football should be considerably more than a faceless boring bureaucrat, they are the guardians of you clubs dna, they define the style of play the type of football they want the club to play and the vision for the club, they should be whip smart battle hardened and experienced former player/managers, with a wealth of knowledge from years in and around the the game and with direct experience in how to run a club successfully, a Pulis or a Hodgson type. they are the club. Really not convinced that is a workable model. For me the Technical Director/DoF should be looking after everything that hasn't anything to do with what goes on the pitch. Their role in transfers is to make sure any fees and wages are within budget - not to decide on the type of footballer required or the style of play. Football matters should remain in the hands of the Head Coach - which I think is the model we had adopted with Martin. What went wrong with Martin appears to be that he was a bit of a twat and created a toxic atmosphere. A Technical Director/DoF who is hands on is going to turn the Head Coach into a puppet - really can't see someone like Schumacher playing second fiddle on footballing matters. And Pulis and Hodgson would never have put up with that arrangement. The problem with the god manager model is that it loads the manager with all the non footballing stuff. The Head Coach should be able to dump the crap and focus and lead on footballing matters. |
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Post by stokeykez on Feb 22, 2024 22:10:56 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement. Are we all right in thinking RM and JC are putting the team out due to contract clauses players were signed on.Really hope they let your Ste get on with his job now |
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Post by emretezzy on Feb 22, 2024 22:11:50 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement. Love it mate! He's got the control he needs hopefully now. Me and most fully being him pal! |
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 22, 2024 22:13:16 GMT
Thats great to hear fishlovesoatcakes, presume if you're this relieved then Ste/Schuey must be ecstatic I think we'll all be ecstatic when we get to summer. We all want players who are invested in Stoke. If they're not, goodbye 🤬 May this be day 1 of getting our club back on track |
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Post by lordb on Feb 22, 2024 22:13:23 GMT
If this comes to pass presumably Benji will be singing the clubs praises Right decision on Martin 12 months too late it was blatantly obvious he was a cord issue and failing abysmally but right division well done JC , SJW can’t harm as an interim while the role and people spec are redefined . Dewsnip I think is a concern because Schumacher is , the role should be for the best candidate and I suspect Schumacher won’t be here by the time this appointment is made And yet uou insisted Schumacher would fail because Dewsnip wasn't coming as well revisionist agenda driven trolling Benji |
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Post by etebojan on Feb 22, 2024 22:16:41 GMT
Thats great to hear fishlovesoatcakes , presume if you're this relieved then Ste/Schuey must be ecstatic I think we'll all be ecstatic when we get to summer. We all want players who are invested in Stoke. If they're not, goodbye 🤬 Oof that sounds quite damning of the squad he's inherited then, hopefully he's managed to weed out enough who aren't invested and is left with enough to scrap our way to safety. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 22, 2024 22:17:18 GMT
Did I hear Huth right a last year at one of the meet the fans things that he was studying too become a director of football. Apparently that's the way they do it in Germany. The blokes got no experience but fuck it let's have him in the building He’s at Leicester I believe |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 22, 2024 22:22:40 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement. Thanks for posting again. Onwards and upwards for us all hopefully. I know you can't say much on it all but even that post says 1000 words. I'll admit to an SS wobble lately because of what's been going on, but if a lot of it is nonsense out of his control then he has my full backing. I hope he's not regretted the move at any point. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 22, 2024 22:24:12 GMT
Right decision on Martin 12 months too late it was blatantly obvious he was a cord issue and failing abysmally but right division well done JC , SJW can’t harm as an interim while the role and people spec are redefined . Dewsnip I think is a concern because Schumacher is , the role should be for the best candidate and I suspect Schumacher won’t be here by the time this appointment is made And yet uou insisted Schumacher would fail because Dewsnip wasn't coming as well revisionist agenda driven trolling Benji Schumacher is failing Dewsnip wouldn’t be here before relegation is decided , Schumacher I argued would fail like anyone would with Martin still around , it’s up to him now to show he can manage but he’s running out of road and needs results quickly otherwise Dewsnip is a red herring no revisionist agenda there Martin was a core issue jury’s out on Schumacher but domed just don’t like I was right on the Martin issue from the very first window he’s been an abject disaster in every aspect , |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 22, 2024 22:33:16 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement. No hiding place for him now. Continue in the vein of team selections and performances he’s produced since Sunderland and he won’t have a job come the summer. Fingers crossed we are all saying “it must have been tricky Ricky’s fault all along”. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2024 22:36:15 GMT
No one would have been better than someone. This is a pr move to appease the gullible masses. So what? I think he can help build bridges between the players and the club. It's obvious Martin was toxic. It’s a cheap pr stunt for gullible fools like I said. |
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Post by lordb on Feb 22, 2024 22:36:18 GMT
And yet uou insisted Schumacher would fail because Dewsnip wasn't coming as well revisionist agenda driven trolling Benji Schumacher is failing Dewsnip wouldn’t be here before relegation is decided , Schumacher I argued would fail like anyone would with Martin still around , it’s up to him now to show he can manage but he’s running out of road and needs results quickly otherwise Dewsnip is a red herring no revisionist agenda there Martin was a core issue jury’s out on Schumacher but domed just don’t like I was right on the Martin issue from the very first window he’s been an abject disaster in every aspect , You specifically stated he would fail without Desnip Now you are stating he will fall with Dewsnip |
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Post by cdf on Feb 22, 2024 22:36:59 GMT
How many times are we going to follow the same broken processes and accept a different result? Allowing a manager to choose the technical director doesn't work. Personally speaking, I think bringing Dewsnip in makes perfect sense and is something I called for a couple of weeks back. In the near 5 years that he's been at Plymouth, he's done a phenomenal job at Plymouth with player recruitment. Quite a number of Plymouth fans put down their success over the past 2 or 3 years mainly down to him. He will sort this shit show out. I would be very excited if we brought him in |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 22, 2024 22:43:11 GMT
Schumacher is failing Dewsnip wouldn’t be here before relegation is decided , Schumacher I argued would fail like anyone would with Martin still around , it’s up to him now to show he can manage but he’s running out of road and needs results quickly otherwise Dewsnip is a red herring no revisionist agenda there Martin was a core issue jury’s out on Schumacher but domed just don’t like I was right on the Martin issue from the very first window he’s been an abject disaster in every aspect , You specifically stated he would fail without Desnip Now you are stating he will fall with Dewsnip No I’m saying he’s failing and I dont believe Dewsnip will be here before a decision is reached by force of results , if the club decide to stick with Schumacher come what may even in league one then Dewsnip is obvious choice but my question is what if Schumacher has gone is Dewsnip then the best candidate and obvious choice . Being clear schumscher was destined to fail, when Martin remained and ran the pivotal jan window does anyone honestly believe Schumacher had even heard of million let alone wanted to spend a few million quid on him |
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Post by hotterpotter on Feb 22, 2024 22:45:53 GMT
What was the original title of this thread?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2024 22:47:38 GMT
You specifically stated he would fail without Desnip Now you are stating he will fall with Dewsnip No I’m saying he’s failing and I dont believe Dewsnip will be here before a decision is reached by force of results , if the club decide to stick with Schumacher come what may even in league one then Dewsnip is obvious choice but my question is what if Schumacher has gone is Dewsnip then the best candidate and obvious choice . Being clear schumscher was destined to fail, when Martin remained and ran the pivotal jan window does anyone honestly believe Schumacher had even heard of million let alone wanted to spend a few million quid on him SS didn’t spend any money on him, Coates did. If Dewsnip isn’t the right director for Stoke when SS isn’t here, then he isn’t the right director for Stoke if he is here. They should be related but independent positions. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 22, 2024 22:53:22 GMT
No I’m saying he’s failing and I dont believe Dewsnip will be here before a decision is reached by force of results , if the club decide to stick with Schumacher come what may even in league one then Dewsnip is obvious choice but my question is what if Schumacher has gone is Dewsnip then the best candidate and obvious choice . Being clear schumscher was destined to fail, when Martin remained and ran the pivotal jan window does anyone honestly believe Schumacher had even heard of million let alone wanted to spend a few million quid on him SS didn’t spend any money on him, Coates did. If Dewsnip isn’t the right director for Stoke when SS isn’t here, then he isn’t the right director for Stoke if he is here. They should be related but independent positions. I’m not saying he is I’m saying he definitely isn’t if Schumacher isn’t here and im dill of the view the jury’s out on that today just removes sn excuse but results will still tell and a couple more erratic selections will do for him too , as so much of his case would be based on that working relationship being able to hit the ground running. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 22, 2024 22:59:36 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement. I'm glad to see you on here it can't have been easy the last couple of weeks! Something stuck with me at the Q&A where tricky said something like I hope we can have a good working relationship or words to that effect to Shuey. Seemed strange at the time! Also John pointedly saying Ste was his reason for optimism. I guess shit was already happening! 😂 |
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Post by lstokie on Feb 22, 2024 23:03:24 GMT
He’s known SS since he was a child and was working with him until recently? I had heard that they had a falling out but if they’ve know each other that long and worked together, I can’t see how they couldn’t be on good terms overall. People confuse me though and I’m more often wrong than right. isn’t it the same as Neil recommending his mate Martin for the job , i’d prefer someone who’s not connected to anyone at the club I would say the difference is that Walters has a connection with the club alongside the manager. Rather than one single connection via the manager. Isn't that an obvious answer to this question or am I missing something. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 22, 2024 23:04:40 GMT
You specifically stated he would fail without Desnip Now you are stating he will fall with Dewsnip No I’m saying he’s failing and I dont believe Dewsnip will be here before a decision is reached by force of results , if the club decide to stick with Schumacher come what may even in league one then Dewsnip is obvious choice but my question is what if Schumacher has gone is Dewsnip then the best candidate and obvious choice . Being clear schumscher was destined to fail, when Martin remained and ran the pivotal jan window does anyone honestly believe Schumacher had even heard of million let alone wanted to spend a few million quid on him Schumacher probably won't have heard of Million and he probably won't have heard of Burger or Jun Ho either. Because if he's coaching and managing the first team he wont have time to put together a portfolio of talent across Europe. It's a full time job. It's why we employ Dublin. Sacking Martin hasn't solved the recruitment issue. Martin's role in recruitment was just to make sure the numbers add up - he won't have had any input on the type of player we need or contributed to the list of possible targets. What sacking Martin has hopefully solved is the toxic culture he is reported to have created behind the scenes. Any problems in recruitment in January is down to Dublin and Schumacher and virtually nothing to do with Martin. Hopefully the players we have will improve if the working environment improves. Fingers crossed anyway. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 22, 2024 23:07:30 GMT
Stay the fuck away from Dewsnip, if it goes tits up for Schuey then we’re back in the same situation yet again.
We’re the third richest club in England, use those resources to find an impartial DOF.
Or just appoint Bojan because why on earth wouldn’t you.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Feb 22, 2024 23:21:46 GMT
Stay the fuck away from Dewsnip, if it goes tits up for Schuey then we’re back in the same situation yet again. We’re the third richest club in England, use those resources to find an impartial DOF. Or just appoint Bojan because why on earth wouldn’t you. Because Bayern will see that as a move to please the gullible folk 😂 |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 22, 2024 23:24:49 GMT
Stay the fuck away from Dewsnip, if it goes tits up for Schuey then we’re back in the same situation yet again. We’re the third richest club in England, use those resources to find an impartial DOF. Or just appoint Bojan because why on earth wouldn’t you. Because Bayern will see that as a move to please the gullible folk 😂 Some will be gullible enough to think a really average Belgian player will become a star of their national team next |
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Post by Marc01 on Feb 22, 2024 23:28:08 GMT
What was the original title of this thread? “There’s only two RM’s… singing a song… walking in a Martian 🛸Wonderland” |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Feb 22, 2024 23:29:07 GMT
Because Bayern will see that as a move to please the gullible folk 😂 Some will be gullible enough to think a really average Belgian player will become a star of their national team next That is the moment the whole board stopped taking anything he says seriously |
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