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Post by hcstokie on Feb 22, 2024 19:46:57 GMT
I would love to see mmaee,Haks etc on their knees at Clayton woods and sjw emerges from a porta cabin negan style with a Lucille baseball bat. what an entrance that would be. I wondered where you were going with that fantasy for a moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2024 19:53:20 GMT
It also feels remarkably similar to the problem we’ve literally just addressed: i.e., appointing the manager and then his friend as an overseer. Is there any evidence that they’re friends? He’s known SS since he was a child and was working with him until recently? I had heard that they had a falling out but if they’ve know each other that long and worked together, I can’t see how they couldn’t be on good terms overall. People confuse me though and I’m more often wrong than right. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2024 20:00:19 GMT
If this comes to pass presumably Benji will be singing the clubs praises Not a chance of him doing that. Biscuits that is. Don't be fooled by his act. You don't have to go back too far to remember him lavishing praise on the owners of our football club for the change in direction they were partaking in. You know, the very same direction that he is now slagging off all the time. Just like his pretence that he's illiterate, every now and then he let's his guard slip  |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 22, 2024 20:13:27 GMT
Is there any evidence that they’re friends? He’s known SS since he was a child and was working with him until recently? I had heard that they had a falling out but if they’ve know each other that long and worked together, I can’t see how they couldn’t be on good terms overall. People confuse me though and I’m more often wrong than right. At least you’re right some of the time mate, it’s a lot more than some of us! |
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Post by pretzel on Feb 22, 2024 20:26:52 GMT
I think we need to approach Huddersfield to get Cartwright😂 "We're going to need a bigger helicopter" |
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Post by thornestein on Feb 22, 2024 20:39:09 GMT
Is there any evidence that they’re friends? He’s known SS since he was a child and was working with him until recently? I had heard that they had a falling out but if they’ve know each other that long and worked together, I can’t see how they couldn’t be on good terms overall. People confuse me though and I’m more often wrong than right. isn’t it the same as Neil recommending his mate Martin for the job , i’d prefer someone who’s not connected to anyone at the club |
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Post by etebojan on Feb 22, 2024 20:49:31 GMT
Yes I think he did but they’ve been friends for years apparently and I’m sure I read/heard he was his teacher Yeah, he was his PE teacher at school apparently and has known him since I'd be amazed if they went down this road though. It was widely discussed amongst their fans there'd been a fall-out even before he left. Sounds like 2 and 2 equals at least 5 surely this would be repeating the same mistakes as with Neil pushing his candidate for his own boss effectively in Ricky. The TD or DofF needs to be agnostic and unconnected to the manager or coach for this modern footballing structure to work as its supposed to. But also for it to work well the Dof F and Manager/Head Coach also need to be aligned in vision and style. Typically its the D of F who is the long term employee of the club and guardian of the clubs vision for future, style of play etc... and the manager is the variable that is brought in because their style and vision align with that of D of F and club, and can therefore work with the players in the building and legacy recruitment. If the manager needs to be replaced they just recruit another who shares the same vision etc and so whole process is more seamless and complete overhaul of backroom and players is not required. We're now again like when we shifted to the D of F/technical director last season in the non ideal situation of having an incumbent Manager and the D of F being the variable |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 22, 2024 20:58:41 GMT
It's quite funny how a small handful of people are getting really pissy about this appointment while the vast majority are correctly happy about it. What's funny is that people are getting excited about a temporary appointment to a strategic role just because the appointment is a popular ex player. I'm sure everyone wishes SJW well but it is a weird decision. Given Martin was effectively brought in by Neil (which in itself was odd) the sensible thing would have been to sack Martin, make a more considered decision about the Technical Director role, sack Neil and then appoint a new coach/manager. What the club have done is completely back to front. This might have helpful side effects - effectively Martin has become the lightening rod for all the shit that would have been directed at Schumacher and buys him more time and as a popular ex player SJW may up the feel good factor. However in terms of recruitment to a strategic role it makes no sense whatsoever. Not really I know some love a scapegoat as you say but at least changes are being made because it hasn't worked As for Walters in terms of recruitment, he's basically a stop gap |
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Post by baconburger on Feb 22, 2024 21:09:56 GMT
What's funny is that people are getting excited about a temporary appointment to a strategic role just because the appointment is a popular ex player. I'm sure everyone wishes SJW well but it is a weird decision. Given Martin was effectively brought in by Neil (which in itself was odd) the sensible thing would have been to sack Martin, make a more considered decision about the Technical Director role, sack Neil and then appoint a new coach/manager. What the club have done is completely back to front. This might have helpful side effects - effectively Martin has become the lightening rod for all the shit that would have been directed at Schumacher and buys him more time and as a popular ex player SJW may up the feel good factor. However in terms of recruitment to a strategic role it makes no sense whatsoever. Not really I know some live a scapegoat as you say but at least changes are being made because it hasn't worked As for Walters in terms of recruitment, he's basically a stop gap To do what? The TD/SD/DoF would be working on things for next season. That persons input as far as this season goes was already over. It's basically a stunt to appease our backward fans. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 22, 2024 21:11:31 GMT
Not really I know some live a scapegoat as you say but at least changes are being made because it hasn't worked As for Walters in terms of recruitment, he's basically a stop gap To do what? The TD/SD/DoF would be working on things for next season. That persons input as far as this season goes was already over. It's basically a stunt to appease our backward fans. We don't know so can't really comment |
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Post by samwidge on Feb 22, 2024 21:11:53 GMT
Not a chance of him doing that. Biscuits that is. Don't be fooled by his act. You don't have to go back too far to remember him lavishing praise on the owners of our football club for the change in direction they were partaking in. You know, the very same direction that he is now slagging off all the time. Just like his pretence that he's illiterate, every now and then he let's his guard slip Yes you're absolutely right Vince. I think he's some sort of bot. Artificial unintelligence. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2024 21:14:53 GMT
He’s known SS since he was a child and was working with him until recently? I had heard that they had a falling out but if they’ve know each other that long and worked together, I can’t see how they couldn’t be on good terms overall. People confuse me though and I’m more often wrong than right. isn’t it the same as Neil recommending his mate Martin for the job , i’d prefer someone who’s not connected to anyone at the club I agree. I think you have to look past the manager. The director role should be the best man for the job in the long run. Theoretically, they are supposed to outlast the manager. |
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Post by pushon on Feb 22, 2024 21:17:42 GMT
As many have pointed out..interim is the key word here. It is that word that makes it make sense The fact it is an interim appointment makes it even less sense. This is a strategic role. The impact of strategy is felt in months and years and takes a long time to plan and implement. An interim Technical Director hasn't got the time to plan and implement strategy and potentially won't be around to see it through anyway. At best the club has appointed someone who is liked and doesn't do much - a bit like young Mr Grace in Are You Being Served. However in terms of fulfilling the remit of a Technical Director SJW is a lame duck and the club won't have any effective strategic direction until a permanent appointment is made. Also who gets excited about the appointment of backroom staff? The only reason people are getting excited about this is because it's SJW - who actually gives a fuck about a Technical Director? It's the sort of job for a competent, boring, faceless bureaucrat. Being excited about this makes it even more weird. I understand the sense of appointing a temporary coach - they can have an impact over a short timescale. That isn't the case for a Technical Director. It's a weird decision all round. Well said, you've put a realistic insight into this situation👌 |
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 22, 2024 21:24:31 GMT
Yes, on face value it was/is exciting, purely because I guess we all have an affiliation with SJW from his playing days. Moving forward the post DOF/Technical director, call it what you like, is pivotal to our progression moving forward. This is an very important role and we just have to get it spot on..
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Feb 22, 2024 21:26:49 GMT
Not really I know some live a scapegoat as you say but at least changes are being made because it hasn't worked As for Walters in terms of recruitment, he's basically a stop gap To do what? The TD/SD/DoF would be working on things for next season. That persons input as far as this season goes was already over. It's basically a stunt to appease our backward fans. You're the most backward of the lot of them |
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Post by etebojan on Feb 22, 2024 21:27:19 GMT
The fact it is an interim appointment makes it even less sense. This is a strategic role. The impact of strategy is felt in months and years and takes a long time to plan and implement. An interim Technical Director hasn't got the time to plan and implement strategy and potentially won't be around to see it through anyway. At best the club has appointed someone who is liked and doesn't do much - a bit like young Mr Grace in Are You Being Served. However in terms of fulfilling the remit of a Technical Director SJW is a lame duck and the club won't have any effective strategic direction until a permanent appointment is made. Also who gets excited about the appointment of backroom staff? The only reason people are getting excited about this is because it's SJW - who actually gives a fuck about a Technical Director? It's the sort of job for a competent, boring, faceless bureaucrat. Being excited about this makes it even more weird. I understand the sense of appointing a temporary coach - they can have an impact over a short timescale. That isn't the case for a Technical Director. It's a weird decision all round. Well said, you've put a realistic insight into this situation👌 "a competent, boring, faceless bureaucrat"...exactly thats why its exciting because Ricky Martin has been the complete opposite of that some might say "meddling, egotistical, fuckwit" by all accounts. His removal is worthy of celebration. SJW is a placeholder and employed for vibes, he is also fairly qualified to give him his dues... but right now the club needs a bit more feel good and enough will to help the fans lift again to get behind the manager and team to see if we can get out of this fucking mess. Yes we will probably have to "start again" to some degree in the summer, but if thats in the Championship so, so much the better...thats all that matters right now |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Feb 22, 2024 21:29:47 GMT
As many have pointed out..interim is the key word here. It is that word that makes it make sense The fact it is an interim appointment makes it even less sense. This is a strategic role. The impact of strategy is felt in months and years and takes a long time to plan and implement. An interim Technical Director hasn't got the time to plan and implement strategy and potentially won't be around to see it through anyway. At best the club has appointed someone who is liked and doesn't do much - a bit like young Mr Grace in Are You Being Served. However in terms of fulfilling the remit of a Technical Director SJW is a lame duck and the club won't have any effective strategic direction until a permanent appointment is made. Also who gets excited about the appointment of backroom staff? The only reason people are getting excited about this is because it's SJW - who actually gives a fuck about a Technical Director? It's the sort of job for a competent, boring, faceless bureaucrat. Being excited about this makes it even more weird. I understand the sense of appointing a temporary coach - they can have an impact over a short timescale. That isn't the case for a Technical Director. It's a weird decision all round. I think the excitement some are feeling is more down to the fact that Martin is gone. Personally I couldn't care less if we hired nobody to fill the role for the rest of this season. Aslong as Martin was gone i'm happy. Getting Walters in was a no lose situation. It doesn't harm us in anyway so it doesn't bother me that they did it |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 22, 2024 21:29:52 GMT
Gonna stick my neck out here in support of JC. He’s seen that role needs an ex-pro ideally and he’s gone straight to the most qualified ex Stoke player to do it on an interim basis. I think his decisions always make a bit of sense on paper, he’s just shit out of luck with getting them right.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 22, 2024 21:33:47 GMT
Gonna stick my neck out here in support of JC. He’s seen that role needs an ex-pro ideally and he’s gone straight to the most qualified ex Stoke player to do it on an interim basis. I think his decisions always make a bit of sense on paper, he’s just shit out of luck with getting them right. Is a positive move either way as the first sign of change behind the scenes |
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Post by andystokey on Feb 22, 2024 21:36:57 GMT
The idea SJW will have nothing to do with only 4 months to a transfer window, given the outgoings is daft. He's got plenty on his plate just picking up the inboxes of Academy, Women's teams and most of Clayton Wood.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 22, 2024 21:39:19 GMT
Gonna stick my neck out here in support of JC. He’s seen that role needs an ex-pro ideally and he’s gone straight to the most qualified ex Stoke player to do it on an interim basis. I think his decisions always make a bit of sense on paper, he’s just shit out of luck with getting them right. Is a positive move either way as the first sign of change behind the scenes The only decision I hated was Alex Neil. Boy I was angry |
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Post by etebojan on Feb 22, 2024 21:42:10 GMT
The fact it is an interim appointment makes it even less sense. This is a strategic role. The impact of strategy is felt in months and years and takes a long time to plan and implement. An interim Technical Director hasn't got the time to plan and implement strategy and potentially won't be around to see it through anyway. At best the club has appointed someone who is liked and doesn't do much - a bit like young Mr Grace in Are You Being Served. However in terms of fulfilling the remit of a Technical Director SJW is a lame duck and the club won't have any effective strategic direction until a permanent appointment is made. Also who gets excited about the appointment of backroom staff? The only reason people are getting excited about this is because it's SJW - who actually gives a fuck about a Technical Director? It's the sort of job for a competent, boring, faceless bureaucrat. Being excited about this makes it even more weird. I understand the sense of appointing a temporary coach - they can have an impact over a short timescale. That isn't the case for a Technical Director. It's a weird decision all round. Well said, you've put a realistic insight into this situation👌 ...*cough*...and another thing.... surely your technical director/director of football should be considerably more than a faceless boring bureaucrat, they are the guardians of you clubs dna, they define the style of play the type of football they want the club to play and the vision for the club, they should be whip smart battle hardened and experienced former player/managers, with a wealth of knowledge from years in and around the the game and with direct experience in how to run a club successfully, a Pulis or a Hodgson type. they are the club. |
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Post by baconburger on Feb 22, 2024 21:42:15 GMT
To do what? The TD/SD/DoF would be working on things for next season. That persons input as far as this season goes was already over. It's basically a stunt to appease our backward fans. You're the most backward of the lot of them Eh up! You just shout Bell and he brings End with him  |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 22, 2024 21:42:32 GMT
The only choice for the permanent role is Bojan.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 22, 2024 21:42:45 GMT
When SS started criticising the quality of the squad after games - I thought he was a dead man walking. This actually looks like a vote of confidence for him. Whatever is going on behind the scenes or has gone on - it looks like the players are fighting for the manager and that is about as much as we can hope for at the moment. Another reset/rebuild pre-season  The timing of this does not make sense though - JC's last stand maybe, he knew it would be popular choice(SJW also), hoping we can scrape home and he can go under the radar maybe - still needs to go for me - the club is just hopping from one disaster to the next |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 22, 2024 21:48:00 GMT
Walters' only previous experience in this kind of role was a 6 month spell at Fleetwood Town.
This is an incredibly tough moment for someone so inexperienced to step in. We are potentially four months away from League One and the turmoil that would cause.
I would imagine that we will look to appoint somebody more established by the end of the season.
Good luck SJW ... you will need it with how this club is at the moment! 😅
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 22, 2024 21:50:06 GMT
The fact it is an interim appointment makes it even less sense. This is a strategic role. The impact of strategy is felt in months and years and takes a long time to plan and implement. An interim Technical Director hasn't got the time to plan and implement strategy and potentially won't be around to see it through anyway. At best the club has appointed someone who is liked and doesn't do much - a bit like young Mr Grace in Are You Being Served. However in terms of fulfilling the remit of a Technical Director SJW is a lame duck and the club won't have any effective strategic direction until a permanent appointment is made. Also who gets excited about the appointment of backroom staff? The only reason people are getting excited about this is because it's SJW - who actually gives a fuck about a Technical Director? It's the sort of job for a competent, boring, faceless bureaucrat. Being excited about this makes it even more weird. I understand the sense of appointing a temporary coach - they can have an impact over a short timescale. That isn't the case for a Technical Director. It's a weird decision all round. Well said, you've put a realistic insight into this situation👌 Given what has been said about the toxic atmosphere created by Martin I don't think SJW has been appointed as a Technical Director in the usual sense - he's there to heal wounds. Effectively the club have parked strategy until they get the atmosphere better. In effect SJW is a young Mr Grace appointment. The club got themselves in this situation by relying on the manager to identify the Technical Director (which is the wrong way round} and then not getting rid of him before they got rid of Neil and appointed Schumacher. It's a balls up but it sounds like they have at least recognised the situation and done something about it. I'm not convinced SJW has the experience to be a Technical Director in the proper sense at this level but if he creates a good working environment he'll have done a job. It's a mess and in terms of implementing a proper structure we aren't even back to square one. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Feb 22, 2024 21:51:06 GMT
How many times are we going to follow the same broken processes and expect a different result? Allowing a manager to choose the technical director doesn't work. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 22, 2024 21:55:42 GMT
Thank fuck he's gone. It was NEVER going to work with Ste managing the team. I won't say any more on this but to say I'm relieved is an understatement.
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Post by etebojan on Feb 22, 2024 21:57:31 GMT
How many times are we going to follow the same broken processes and accept a different result? Allowing a manager to choose the technical director doesn't work. I reckon we'll end up with someone like Gudjon Thordarson, who has his own independent history and connection with the club but also has managed Schuey before, a tick in both boxes rightly or wrongly. |
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