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Post by barcaontrent on Sept 16, 2023 16:34:38 GMT
funny how many of these shit teams beat us easily Because we are worse, doesn’t make them good. Watched the game, thought they wer rubbish. We just can’t score, as I said on my original post. And I wouldn’t say easily beaten, it was 1-0 not 9-0 I wouldn’t say Norwich Millwall or Preston played above 6/10 against us, 7 if you are being generous, yet they won deservedly. If that isn’t teams beating us easily not sure what is. We don’t battle teams or make them work for it, and we are likely to answer their goals with no reply.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2023 16:35:13 GMT
Wesley is really starting to worry me. We need to get bodies around him, which means a switch to 4231, with inverted wingers and attacking full backs. Ideally though he'd be used as intended when he signed - an option off the bench.
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Post by collo68 on Sept 16, 2023 16:36:09 GMT
What a load of roundish re Rose, he’s done nothing wrong today He got beaten by a straight ball over his head today again, in the 2nd half. Gooch came across from LB and covered the run. For me, that’s not good enough at this level - and it’s not the first time it’s happened this season. I don’t rate him. I guess it’s all about opinions but if he’s only made one mistake I don’t think he’s had a bad game
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 16, 2023 16:37:43 GMT
Wesley is really starting to worry me. We need to get bodies around him, which means a switch to 4231, with inverted wingers and attacking full backs. This 100%. He’s not Didier Drogba, and if he was he wouldn’t even know who Alex Neil was. What we are expecting him to do I have no real idea, and by the looks of it, neither does he. Either get players around him, and get up the pitch, or get balls into the box as often as possible. We don’t seem to do either of those things so we are not even close to getting the best out of Wesley
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 16, 2023 16:38:28 GMT
Campbell can't start the next game. Should have scored at least 2 today, and that one just before HT changes everything. Joke. Moments like that are what alter the tide of games, he's just not upto it, he hasn't got the excuse of settling in. He's not producing what he's out there to do
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Post by foster on Sept 16, 2023 16:39:34 GMT
He got beaten by a straight ball over his head today again, in the 2nd half. Gooch came across from LB and covered the run. For me, that’s not good enough at this level - and it’s not the first time it’s happened this season. I don’t rate him. I guess it’s all about opinions but if he’s only made one mistake I don’t think he’s had a bad game Thought the defence in general was decent, especially Gooch. You can't win games if you can't score. Issue is the mid to att. No real coherent threat there so AN needs to get some consistency and pick the right combo of players.
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Post by franklin on Sept 16, 2023 16:41:20 GMT
Campbell can't start the next game. Should have scored at least 2 today, and that one just before HT changes everything. Joke. Moments like that are what alter the tide of games, he's just not upto it, he hasn't got the excuse of settling in. He's not producing what he's out there to do And he never has consistently.
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 16, 2023 16:42:55 GMT
Moments like that are what alter the tide of games, he's just not upto it, he hasn't got the excuse of settling in. He's not producing what he's out there to do And he never has consistently. Listening to Neil just on BBC stoke, without being overly critical of the player I think he's twigged he's not the answer. I'd be massively suprised to see him start mid week
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 16, 2023 16:43:08 GMT
Not surprised, predicted a 2-1 loss for us. Norwich is just enough of a squirrely team that us going there having not gelled yet or with settled positions for everyone was obviously a problem. Currently, we're a loose collection of occasional completed passes and experiments of where to play people. Not going to explode over this OR read too much into it other than wonder if some gypsy has placed a curse on our finishing/creativity that's lasted 7 years, or if we've broken a mirror or something.
Just looking at it objectively, guys are still learning which way each other will break for the ball etc. Haks looks a player, stubborn son of a gun just decided to "gel" himself and let the rest of the team catch up. Like him, Junior and Gooch so far.
Yeah we missed Vidigal and Mmaee and Laurent needs a break. Campbell doesn't like wide but then yet again, I'm not seeing the effort. Put a damned boot through it - take a chance.
Although I'm sanguine about it, can understand people fuming with this mainly because it's just the same old boring pattern of where we've been for a while now that once someone scores on us, we're screwed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2023 16:48:57 GMT
We need to get bodies around him, which means a switch to 4231, with inverted wingers and attacking full backs. This 100%. He’s not Didier Drogba, and if he was he wouldn’t even know who Alex Neil was. What we are expecting him to do I have no real idea, and by the looks of it, neither does he. Either get players around him, and get up the pitch, or get balls into the box as often as possible. We don’t seem to do either of those things so we are not even close to getting the best out of Wesley It reminds me of a quote from Brian Clough when talking about Alan Hinton. "He was a supremely talented player that couldn't tackle his way out of a paper bag so I surrounded him with people that could so he could concentrate on playing" Seems a bit too simple for the modern tastes...
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Post by franklin on Sept 16, 2023 16:49:42 GMT
And he never has consistently. Listening to Neil just on BBC stoke, without being overly critical of the player I think he's twigged he's not the answer. I'd be massively suprised to see him start mid week Hopefully somebody in the squad can keep him out but who that is goodness knows.
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 16, 2023 16:51:04 GMT
And he never has consistently. Listening to Neil just on BBC stoke, without being overly critical of the player I think he's twigged he's not the answer. I'd be massively suprised to see him start mid week When he twigs that he himself isn’t the answer we will really be onto something. Campbell is a good player but the way we are setting up, none of our attacking players look decent. The side is unbalanced and lacking and kind of coherent game plan, and that’s on the manager
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 16, 2023 16:53:34 GMT
Mmaee is crucial to our season. If he comes good, and I think he will, we will come good. Wesley hasn’t got a goal in him.
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 16, 2023 16:57:27 GMT
Listening to Neil just on BBC stoke, without being overly critical of the player I think he's twigged he's not the answer. I'd be massively suprised to see him start mid week When he twigs that he himself isn’t the answer we will really be onto something. Campbell is a good player but the way we are setting up, none of our attacking players look decent. The side is unbalanced and lacking and kind of coherent game plan, and that’s on the manager No sorry don't agree regarding Campbell, he's just not very good, he's a league 1 player for me for the time being at least. Youre looking for established players like him to step up and take the lead at this point in time, he's failing. They've maximised their chances today, they've come out 100mph to keep an unsettled group of players unsettled, it worked a treat, good tactics. The first half flew by with the tempo they were playing at. We can't do or deal with that yet because our players are all new to each other the understanding isn't there yet. That is a short term issue. Leris didn't look comfortable, but if Stevens is fit then Gooch starts there for me. As good as Tchamadeu looked, I can totally understand not chucking a player fresh from league two right in from the first whistle, if he makes a few early errors it could affect his confidence badly. He's come in though and looked like he could handle a start so we're learning things each game. Haksabanovic & tchamadeu big positives to take from today.
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Post by musik on Sept 16, 2023 17:05:16 GMT
Was it fair?
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 16, 2023 17:05:35 GMT
The Campbell hatred is a little bizarre for me. He missed a chance yes. But tell me a better winger we have, apart from Vidigal, at the moment.
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Post by onyourbonce on Sept 16, 2023 17:06:19 GMT
Because we are worse, doesn’t make them good. Watched the game, thought they wer rubbish. We just can’t score, as I said on my original post. And I wouldn’t say easily beaten, it was 1-0 not 9-0 I wouldn’t say Norwich Millwall or Preston played above 6/10 against us, 7 if you are being generous, yet they won deservedly. If that isn’t teams beating us easily not sure what is. We don’t battle teams or make them work for it, and we are likely to answer their goals with no reply. Mis read your post re beaten easily, and I totally agree with the rest. Teams don’t have to be good to beat us, which is worrying
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Post by independent on Sept 16, 2023 17:07:39 GMT
Listening to Neil just on BBC stoke, without being overly critical of the player I think he's twigged he's not the answer. I'd be massively suprised to see him start mid week When he twigs that he himself isn’t the answer we will really be onto something. Campbell is a good player but the way we are setting up, none of our attacking players look decent. The side is unbalanced and lacking and kind of coherent game plan, and that’s on the manager You may well be right but now is not the time to panic. Even if our results are worse than those that got MON sacked and he hadn't spent £15m. AN is a fiddler and needs time to fall into a decent side. Anyone who believed that he is a tactical genius who makes proactive, game changing, substitutions, must be having a job getting the egg off their face. We are not going up this year,despite his promises. I think we need to give him the time to stumble on the core of a decent side which he can add to in January. We definitely won't be in the relegation zone once he gets the players fit.
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Post by s7oke on Sept 16, 2023 17:32:19 GMT
Wesley is really starting to worry me. We need to get bodies around him, which means a switch to 4231, with inverted wingers and attacking full backs. Ideally though he'd be used as intended when he signed - an option off the bench. Haaland would look wank with Campbell next to him
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Post by potterpanzera on Sept 16, 2023 17:33:40 GMT
Not surprised, predicted a 2-1 loss for us. Norwich is just enough of a squirrely team that us going there having not gelled yet or with settled positions for everyone was obviously a problem. Currently, we're a loose collection of occasional completed passes and experiments of where to play people. Not going to explode over this OR read too much into it other than wonder if some gypsy has placed a curse on our finishing/creativity that's lasted 7 years, or if we've broken a mirror or something. Just looking at it objectively, guys are still learning which way each other will break for the ball etc. Haks looks a player, stubborn son of a gun just decided to "gel" himself and let the rest of the team catch up. Like him, Junior and Gooch so far. Yeah we missed Vidigal and Mmaee and Laurent needs a break. Campbell doesn't like wide but then yet again, I'm not seeing the effort. Put a damned boot through it - take a chance. Although I'm sanguine about it, can understand people fuming with this mainly because it's just the same old boring pattern of where we've been for a while now that once someone scores on us, we're screwed. Haks for sure should see more mins. He looked keen and just a little more street savvy didnt he - bit of gruf but progressive with it. I agree as well regarding Gooch & Jnr - both again were looking forward, positive and just showed a bit of imagination. With there savvy, Vidigal, Burger also looking to link up, Id even say perhaps give Gayle a few more mins as he is still capable, pulls players with his movement and despite his also lack of finish he at least has the know how to link up, the experience to see the potential in others. Not sure, today just once again left with some curiosities but concerns. How our depth just isnt delivering yet though I dont know :.)
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Post by thevoid on Sept 16, 2023 17:49:32 GMT
"Jack Stacey's first goal in three years gave the Canaries the lead" How very Stoke
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2023 17:50:56 GMT
There is no aggression in our play ...who is dishing it out like fuller , Lawrence, Whelan , Wilko , Dicko ?
No one
I know times change, but they don't change that much.
Vidigal looked handy v Millwall, so what do Millwall do about it ? ..kick the shit out of him and put him out of action for a month...sorted .
Who does the same for Stoke , when we are up against someone handy ?
No one
No one and no one is not a winning formula.
We are not getting promoted with no one and no one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2023 17:54:53 GMT
Wonder if we should of paid the extra for the lad from wba...vidigal and mmae apart we look poor across our front line. Would assume we simply didn't have the extra budget to make that happen You might be right, but it's the type of transfer we need to make happen. At least the lad had a bit of aggression about him and we are badly in need of some that. Does he cost more than Wesley and Mmaee combined? I doubt it Is he more use the Wesley and Mmaee combined? Yes
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2023 18:11:05 GMT
Agree with a previous post that Haksabanovic & tchamadeu , seem worth a start . If only because they look a little more aggressive and on it .
I am getting like a broken record but we have two issues to address .
One is the football we are playing...we need more decisiveness, less possession and more clear cut chances. The opposition love it when we have the ball...it gives them a breather ! They are meant to be worried that we don't mess about with the ball, we get the ball into the danger zone fast and create clear cut chances... yeah right...I wish!
The second is we have to be more aggressive in every way, more physically aggressive, more malicious, more bruising, more ready to gamble on losing possession to get the ball in the danger zone fast.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 16, 2023 18:12:11 GMT
Wesley is really starting to worry me. Because of his lack of speed and general mobility, and his inability to score goals you mean? And that he appears to be a six foot four brick shithouse wimp?
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 16, 2023 18:18:25 GMT
The Campbell hatred is a little bizarre for me. He missed a chance yes. But tell me a better winger we have, apart from Vidigal, at the moment. Anyone who can actually make an effort to be bothered, pass a ball, not miss kick or thump the ball hopelessly off target would do for me. Campbell is living on memories from several seasons ago before he was injured.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 16, 2023 19:03:13 GMT
There is no aggression in our play ...who is dishing it out like fuller , Lawrence, Whelan , Wilko , Dicko ? No one I know times change, but they don't change that much. Vidigal looked handy v Millwall, so what do Millwall do about it ? ..kick the shit out of him and put him out of action for a month...sorted . Who does the same for Stoke , when we are up against someone handy ? No one No one and no one is not a winning formula. We are not getting promoted with no one and no one. Isn't that what Pearson was brought in to do? Except he can't because he is stupid and gets a yellow really early on - the dope.
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Post by spoton on Sept 16, 2023 19:14:41 GMT
The Campbell hatred is a little bizarre for me. He missed a chance yes. But tell me a better winger we have, apart from Vidigal, at the moment. It's not hatred it's just honest views he's completely useless in this league been like that for a few seasons now,all he's good for is a sub player to try something different,all on here before today said play him on the right well every defender in England knows that Campbell will not take you on down the wing and will cut back to his left foot, it's so simple to stop him playing
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 16, 2023 19:26:48 GMT
Wesley is really starting to worry me. Because of his lack of speed and general mobility, and his inability to score goals you mean? Aside from that though, he’s a fine striker.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2023 19:27:59 GMT
There is no aggression in our play ...who is dishing it out like fuller , Lawrence, Whelan , Wilko , Dicko ? No one I know times change, but they don't change that much. Vidigal looked handy v Millwall, so what do Millwall do about it ? ..kick the shit out of him and put him out of action for a month...sorted . Who does the same for Stoke , when we are up against someone handy ? No one No one and no one is not a winning formula. We are not getting promoted with no one and no one. Isn't that what Pearson was brought in to do? Except he can't because he is stupid and gets a yellow really early on - the dope. Yeah , maybe? but he is not five people ( half a team) . Millwall and Ipswich got at us in numbers, mob handed . I think as a team we need to be more aggressive in our attitude...more heavy tackles , more malicious tackles, move the ball faster etc .
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