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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 25, 2024 13:02:28 GMT
Man alive.
We have been so fucking poor this season.
Campbell has done nothing. But one half decent game and now people want him on another 2 year deal.
They also want us to re-sign Hoever, McNally, Thompson, Stevens etc.
Then, when we end up in the exact same position next year, they'll be wondering why.
It's best for both parties if he leaves.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 25, 2024 13:11:36 GMT
Man alive. We have been so fucking poor this season. Campbell has done nothing. But one half decent game and now people want him on another 2 year deal. They also want us to re-sign Hoever, McNally, Thompson, Stevens etc. Then, when we end up in the exact same position next year, they'll be wondering why. It's best for both parties if he leaves. It’s nuts isn’t it. Fundamentally the club are rewarding a player who’s been shit for the best part of 18 months+ He needs to go, I like Thompson but purely as back up. Stevens no, McNally no, can’t they see we need better? Ffs
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Post by thornestein on Apr 25, 2024 13:14:21 GMT
Man alive. We have been so fucking poor this season. Campbell has done nothing. But one half decent game and now people want him on another 2 year deal. They also want us to re-sign Hoever, McNally, Thompson, Stevens etc. Then, when we end up in the exact same position next year, they'll be wondering why. It's best for both parties if he leaves. unreal how ppl will put up with totally inadequate players and managers
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 25, 2024 13:16:04 GMT
And Campbell has scored 1 Really don't see your point My point is that talk about a striker to scoring 20/30 is unrealistic when our best modern day striker only managed it over two seasons. I've never said that Campbell or anyone should be doing that, complete opposite in fact These comments that say we should be signing a 20 goal a season striker when so few do that. 12-15 goals more realistic from a decent striker in this league 1 isn't acceptable no matter where you lay the blame
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 25, 2024 13:26:56 GMT
Happy if he stays tbh. I know he hasn't banged them in this season but I always feel he's a threat when he's on the pitch, something you can't say about a lot of players we have. Well yes but isn't the solution that we try and find better players rather than relying on someone who, for a long time now, has contributed very little? Campbell should cover all 3 front positions so for that alone he's worth keeping around if he's motivated. The signing of Ennis will turn out to be the issue.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 25, 2024 13:27:47 GMT
My point is that talk about a striker to scoring 20/30 is unrealistic when our best modern day striker only managed it over two seasons. I've never said that Campbell or anyone should be doing that, complete opposite in fact These comments that say we should be signing a 20 goal a season striker when so few do that. 12-15 goals more realistic from a decent striker in this league 1 isn't acceptable no matter where you lay the blame I wasn't disagreeing with you, just backing up your quote that a 30 goal striker doesn't guarantee success. I was trying to find a quote referring to Campbell needing to be a 20 goal striker to be worth keeping. I know there are some but didn't have time to trawl through the whole thread. In my opinion if Campbell wants to stay and fully commit to SS's philosophy then he is as good as any other striker we can think of signing. How much did Ennis cost?
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Post by acstokie on Apr 25, 2024 13:31:02 GMT
Man alive. We have been so fucking poor this season. Campbell has done nothing. But one half decent game and now people want him on another 2 year deal. They also want us to re-sign Hoever, McNally, Thompson, Stevens etc. Then, when we end up in the exact same position next year, they'll be wondering why. It's best for both parties if he leaves. It’s nuts isn’t it. Fundamentally the club are rewarding a player who’s been shit for the best part of 18 months+ He needs to go, I like Thompson but purely as back up. Stevens no, McNally no, can’t they see we need better? Ffs We can't keep ripping it up and starting again though every season. Decent teams are built on togetherness and team spirit and for once just lately we seem to have a bit of it. Would I be happy with Thompson, Stevens, Campbell or McNally as first choices in their positions no, but as part of a squad then yes.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 25, 2024 13:54:18 GMT
I've never said that Campbell or anyone should be doing that, complete opposite in fact These comments that say we should be signing a 20 goal a season striker when so few do that. 12-15 goals more realistic from a decent striker in this league 1 isn't acceptable no matter where you lay the blame I wasn't disagreeing with you, just backing up your quote that a 30 goal striker doesn't guarantee success. I was trying to find a quote referring to Campbell needing to be a 20 goal striker to be worth keeping. I know there are some but didn't have time to trawl through the whole thread. In my opinion if Campbell wants to stay and fully commit to SS's philosophy then he is as good as any other striker we can think of signing. How much did Ennis cost? In the region of £500,000.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 25, 2024 13:55:26 GMT
I can't really understand what a 2 year deal would do for Tyrese or for us?
Surely it's 3 years (and that's a commitment from him to the club as much as the other way round) or it's off you go?
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Post by stiggerstackle on Apr 25, 2024 13:59:42 GMT
I can't really understand what a 2 year deal would do for Tyrese or for us? Surely it's 3 years (and that's a commitment from him to the club as much as the other way round) or it's off you go? I think it's a sign that we've finally learnt our lesson over daft contract lengths.
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Post by retrostoke on Apr 25, 2024 14:00:33 GMT
Seems to me that life has come to easy to him. He’s had opportunities others wouldn’t because of his dad.
A renewal of his contract at Stoke would just be an extension of that. He needs to learn his life is not a privilege he needs to fight for it.
Moving on is the best option for both sides
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Post by werrington on Apr 25, 2024 14:02:07 GMT
I can't really understand what a 2 year deal would do for Tyrese or for us? Surely it's 3 years (and that's a commitment from him to the club as much as the other way round) or it's off you go? I think it's a sign that we've finally learnt our lesson over daft contract lengths. Sometimes you have to give longer contracts to protect your assets and always have some transfer value
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Post by stiggerstackle on Apr 25, 2024 14:06:19 GMT
I think it's a sign that we've finally learnt our lesson over daft contract lengths. Sometimes you have to give longer contracts to protect your assets and always have some transfer value Agreed - but we've also seen in recent years that they can also be a noose around your neck.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 25, 2024 14:09:31 GMT
Sometimes you have to give longer contracts to protect your assets and always have some transfer value Agreed - but we've also seen in recent years that they can also be a noose around your neck. There isn't really a choice when you're spending £ multi millions on players anything else would be utter fuckwittery.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 25, 2024 14:13:28 GMT
Man alive. We have been so fucking poor this season. Campbell has done nothing. But one half decent game and now people want him on another 2 year deal. They also want us to re-sign Hoever, McNally, Thompson, Stevens etc. Then, when we end up in the exact same position next year, they'll be wondering why. It's best for both parties if he leaves. Bang fucking on. Campbell has been shit bar one spell next to Steven Fletcher before he inevitably got injured again. Get rid.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 25, 2024 14:35:18 GMT
And Campbell has scored 1 Really don't see your point My point is that talk about a striker to scoring 20/30 is unrealistic when our best modern day striker only managed it over two seasons. He should be at least getting 12-15 a season if he wants to consider himself as “decent”. Otherwise, what is the point? He doesn’t track back, he doesn’t hold the ball up well, he doesn’t win headers, he doesn’t drag us up the pitch. If he can’t score goals, why have him at all?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 25, 2024 14:41:23 GMT
Man alive. We have been so fucking poor this season. Campbell has done nothing. But one half decent game and now people want him on another 2 year deal. They also want us to re-sign Hoever, McNally, Thompson, Stevens etc. Then, when we end up in the exact same position next year, they'll be wondering why. It's best for both parties if he leaves. It’s nuts isn’t it. Fundamentally the club are rewarding a player who’s been shit for the best part of 18 months+ He needs to go, I like Thompson but purely as back up. Stevens no, McNally no, can’t they see we need better? Ffs Ben Pearson the latest shit player to benefit from a spell out of the team. As always, people seem to forget just how shit he's been when he's played for the past 12-18 months, and he's now seen as someone who will transform us once fit* again. *Not managed to get himself physically fit since he's been here, but next time maybe it will be different?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 25, 2024 14:42:17 GMT
Man alive. We have been so fucking poor this season. Campbell has done nothing. But one half decent game and now people want him on another 2 year deal. They also want us to re-sign Hoever, McNally, Thompson, Stevens etc. Then, when we end up in the exact same position next year, they'll be wondering why. It's best for both parties if he leaves. Bang fucking on. Campbell has been shit bar one spell next to Steven Fletcher before he inevitably got injured again. Get rid. What's the definition of insanity again? It wouldn't take much to blag some fans into thinking re-signing both Campbell and Fletcher is the way to go.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 25, 2024 14:45:04 GMT
It’s nuts isn’t it. Fundamentally the club are rewarding a player who’s been shit for the best part of 18 months+ He needs to go, I like Thompson but purely as back up. Stevens no, McNally no, can’t they see we need better? Ffs We can't keep ripping it up and starting again though every season. Decent teams are built on togetherness and team spirit and for once just lately we seem to have a bit of it. Would I be happy with Thompson, Stevens, Campbell or McNally as first choices in their positions no, but as part of a squad then yes. You are spot on with that mate, it's a fine balance. It just astounds me how quickly people forget the absolute shit we've been served up for years by these players. As soon as the "great lad in the dressing room" racket starts, it's time to question it. That for me is the same as judging sentiment in the stock market. Tye's dancing. Pearson was waiting in the tunnel. Joshy Laurent is Tweeting. So fucking what.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 25, 2024 14:50:58 GMT
I've never said that Campbell or anyone should be doing that, complete opposite in fact These comments that say we should be signing a 20 goal a season striker when so few do that. 12-15 goals more realistic from a decent striker in this league 1 isn't acceptable no matter where you lay the blame I wasn't disagreeing with you, just backing up your quote that a 30 goal striker doesn't guarantee success. I was trying to find a quote referring to Campbell needing to be a 20 goal striker to be worth keeping. I know there are some but didn't have time to trawl through the whole thread. In my opinion if Campbell wants to stay and fully commit to SS's philosophy then he is as good as any other striker we can think of signing. How much did Ennis cost? Was a few claiming he was a 30 goal a season in the correct team some time back but pointed out how few have ever scored that, in fact very rarely happens. He hasn't scored 30 league goals in his career for us Don't totally disagree re Campbell staying but am feeling is less by choice as maybe other clubs not willing to meet what we may, hence the potential U turn if any mileage in it . My point with Szmodics is that some were blaming the players around Campbell as the reason for his lack of goals , he's done it in a team no better than us, and spectacularly.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 25, 2024 14:58:28 GMT
Hope folk are enjoying their for and against debates but is there any evidence of truth in this story/rumour?
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Post by lordb on Apr 25, 2024 15:02:41 GMT
My point is that talk about a striker to scoring 20/30 is unrealistic when our best modern day striker only managed it over two seasons. I've never said that Campbell or anyone should be doing that, complete opposite in fact These comments that say we should be signing a 20 goal a season striker when so few do that. 12-15 goals more realistic from a decent striker in this league 1 isn't acceptable no matter where you lay the blame Thats fair he got 9 last year which was nearly OK If he plays regularly next season should be looking at 10 league goals as an acceptable minimum imo Can he get that? Yes he can
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Post by lordb on Apr 25, 2024 15:03:26 GMT
I wasn't disagreeing with you, just backing up your quote that a 30 goal striker doesn't guarantee success. I was trying to find a quote referring to Campbell needing to be a 20 goal striker to be worth keeping. I know there are some but didn't have time to trawl through the whole thread. In my opinion if Campbell wants to stay and fully commit to SS's philosophy then he is as good as any other striker we can think of signing. How much did Ennis cost? Was a few claiming he was a 30 goal a season in the correct team some time back but pointed out how few have ever scored that, in fact very rarely happens. He hasn't scored 30 league goals in his career for us Don't totally disagree re Campbell staying but am feeling is less by choice as maybe other clubs not willing to meet what we may, hence the potential U turn if any mileage in it . My point with Szmodics is that some were blaming the players around Campbell as the reason for his lack of goals , he's done it in a team no better than us, and spectacularly. But not in other seasons extraordinary season he's had
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Post by wonderwall on Apr 25, 2024 15:05:28 GMT
Shake his hand, wish him the best and let him walk.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 25, 2024 15:06:58 GMT
Was a few claiming he was a 30 goal a season in the correct team some time back but pointed out how few have ever scored that, in fact very rarely happens. He hasn't scored 30 league goals in his career for us Don't totally disagree re Campbell staying but am feeling is less by choice as maybe other clubs not willing to meet what we may, hence the potential U turn if any mileage in it . My point with Szmodics is that some were blaming the players around Campbell as the reason for his lack of goals , he's done it in a team no better than us, and spectacularly. But not in other seasons extraordinary season he's had He's always scored goals but not at his rate , yep. Happens with some players, take a while in their careers. You wouldn't have given a box of Freddos for Kane at Norwich.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 25, 2024 15:13:05 GMT
Is he a good striker - YES Is he Championship quality - YES Has he performed for Stoke - NO not in a long time Are we likely to sign anyone better - NO
Im totally 50:50 on him and it seems half want him to stay and half want him gone, which seems about right.
We are never going to sign a Mark Stein ever again are we?
Watching Ennis play shows me we had just better keep Tyrese and make-do > We basically dont want or deserve promotion though if we keep him.
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Post by hughjarse on Apr 25, 2024 15:26:15 GMT
34 career goals for us in 162 games (1 goal every 4.8 games). Never the same player after his injury because he lost his only asset….his pace. Time to move on and find someone better
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 25, 2024 16:41:32 GMT
Shake his hand, wish him the best and let him walk. Sig him up build his confidence get him fit and watch him score 15 + we already need 4 forwards without losing him , Vidigal , Mmaee Wesley and Lowe all need replacing in the squad for different reasons
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 25, 2024 17:30:39 GMT
34 career goals for us in 162 games (1 goal every 4.8 games). Never the same player after his injury because he lost his only asset….his pace. Time to move on and find someone better Sorry to keep harping on but what do you think Fuller's record for us was? It was 43 in 182 appearances or 1 goal every 4.2 games. Not a whole lot better although in his defence he did play at least two thirds of those games in the Premier. Until this season though Campbell's scoring record hasn't been bad. But what I saw, last Saturday was a player whose confidence is completely shot. He would have scored at least two when he was full of confidence. If SS can get his confidence back up I think he's probably better than anyone we could sign. And yes I have thought he's looked totally ineffective this season but I have always said that hasn't been because he doesn't care for the club.
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 25, 2024 17:34:03 GMT
It's hard to believe he is still only 24 as is Ennis. They are both young still and have plenty of improvement in them, hopefully we have a coach that can get them both progressing. Campbell has it in him to be much better for sure
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