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Post by xchpotter on Apr 25, 2024 8:21:25 GMT
Tyrese is a striker not a right or left wide player, he is what use to be called a goal hanger. Give him the supply and he can score, its always been can he last more than 70 minutes. I can see him going north of the border and scoring regular with the right players round him, Stoke would have to buy some creative midfielders or a Pennant or Etherington to get the best from Tyrese. He is an inside left he played his best football in that position when he had Powell and Fletcher to play off. He isn’t strong enough to play through the middle and seems always scared to mess his hair up with a header I’ve never seen a player so poor in the air and it isn’t size, it’s technique and bottle….David Speedie and Tim Cahill being good examples of what is possible. If he stays I’d spend all summer with him on his heading skills. No one expects him to be Duncan Ferguson, but it’s beyond embarrassing and he isn’t even at the level of poor for heading ability….if he could achieve poor it would be an improvement. On a wider note, he had something, I’m not just sure he still has it now. If he suddenly bucks up as it nears new deal time then that is a massive red flag for me.
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Post by moon on Apr 25, 2024 8:25:53 GMT
I think he's the kind of player that will look a million times better in a confident team which regularly controls and wins games That can be said of nearly every player though, when you’ve got a well oiled machine like Fergie’s Man Utd or Pep’s Man City / Barcelona, Klopp’s Liverpool (before the wheels fell off) you can put any competent footballer in there and they can look like a world beater. In contrast, when you’ve got a struggling team; a quality player can look terrible.
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Post by cyprus1stokey on Apr 25, 2024 8:42:48 GMT
Never really rated Ty, but come on,Why are we hanging on to a striker who isn't striking?
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Post by frasier37 on Apr 25, 2024 9:10:49 GMT
Good news, about time they offered him one
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 25, 2024 9:15:18 GMT
I think he's the kind of player that will look a million times better in a confident team which regularly controls and wins games That can be said of nearly every player though, when you’ve got a well oiled machine like Fergie’s Man Utd or Pep’s Man City / Barcelona, Klopp’s Liverpool (before the wheels fell off) you can put any competent footballer in there and they can look like a world beater. In contrast, when you’ve got a struggling team; a quality player can look terrible. Blackburn have a 30 goal striker
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 25, 2024 9:23:25 GMT
Stoke supporters debate Stoke players on Stoke message board in unlikely plot twist. alright clever dick, you know what I'm saying though. Majority are talking like he's definitely signed a new deal when it could well be (almost definitely) bullshit and he's still heading for the exit door. Fair point but it’s hardly the first time we’ve had pages and pages about players potentially leaving or signing. It’s just what happens.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 25, 2024 9:36:13 GMT
Weirdly I like Campbell but not overly enthused by him potentially re signing. Like many on here I share the scepticism that he’s been out to market, got no offers and accepted terms here. Hopefully reduced as I heard a rumour MON offered him £40k a week to stay. Him turning up last Saturday is a double edged sword, has Schumacher got him right? Is he playing for that new deal with us or elsewhere? We’ll never know. Is he the same player post injury? Jury is out but it’s not looking good. The questions need to ask is Schumacher building a team to play to Campbells strengths? I’m not sure, he isnt a press merchant like Ennis/Brown. But if we get Campbell breaking the line how Manhoeff has done then he gets 10+ a season. I’d prefer it if one of Manhoeff and Campbell were right footed. I think on reflection, on the right terms £15k or less on a 2+1 term I think I’m ok with this. His versatility and ability to play across the front 3 is somewhat useful too. 40k! Fuck my life. If hes been on that then he can go. Christ on a bike. He hasn't. No idea what bonuses he gets but his salary is widely reported at about 14k. Only Hoever in the current squad is on 40k, most of that paid by Wolves. Campbell is one of the highest salaries paid by Stoke, most are on 10k or less.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 25, 2024 9:38:14 GMT
That can be said of nearly every player though, when you’ve got a well oiled machine like Fergie’s Man Utd or Pep’s Man City / Barcelona, Klopp’s Liverpool (before the wheels fell off) you can put any competent footballer in there and they can look like a world beater. In contrast, when you’ve got a struggling team; a quality player can look terrible. Blackburn have a 30 goal striker Fuller only scored 25 in two seasons in the Championship - 10 first season and 15 in the promotion team when confidence was high and Lawrence also scored 15.
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Post by Ron on Apr 25, 2024 9:38:50 GMT
I’m all for him getting a new contract. The uncertainty about his future has clearly been blighting him. He looked like he was back to his best Sat and was involved with the goal at Wednesday. Not for the goals this season but never had a run of starts to properly get going.
He’s a bit ric- esque in that his body language isn’t great at times. But I hope this season has been a wake up for him. He’s not going to get much better than us is he?
Show him some love and play him- and he’ll Hopefully be effective.
Still maintain his best position is cutting in off the left and not through the middle.
Him million and bae behind a proper cf could be useful.
Not saying he’s the answer- but he’s shown enough quality over the years to offer him an new deal on sensible terms.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 25, 2024 9:39:00 GMT
No one knows what any player earns, just figures plucked out of the air
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 25, 2024 9:39:13 GMT
I had fully resigned myself to Tyrese leaving and can't help feeling disappointed if he stays. Our strikeforce as it stands will not score anywhere near enough goals and even the addition of one more will only give us a chance of an average goals return. I had hoped that the departure of Tyrese and Wesley would open up our search. I fail to see the positives unless we already know who we might be after for the central striker spot. Will Mmaae be staying? Vidigal? It's beyond embarassing thatr we scored so few goals and Tyrese is part of that problem and not really much of a solution.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Apr 25, 2024 9:47:46 GMT
I think he's the kind of player that will look a million times better in a confident team which regularly controls and wins games That can be said of nearly every player though, when you’ve got a well oiled machine like Fergie’s Man Utd or Pep’s Man City / Barcelona, Klopp’s Liverpool (before the wheels fell off) you can put any competent footballer in there and they can look like a world beater. I contrast, when you’ve got a struggling team; a quality player can look terrible. But that is just not true. A player in the Man C side has to have the ability to continually find space and Campbell has no idea how todo so , at least that has been my impression of him before Saturday For the first. time, in as long as he has played for us, against Plymouth he worked hard, found space to take the ball with his back to goal and find the channels to accept the ball. His work on the ball was not always good but his work rate at last made up for it and he looked a decent player. Let us see what happens in the last two games.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 25, 2024 9:53:40 GMT
I’m all for him getting a new contract. The uncertainty about his future has clearly been blighting him. He looked like he was back to his best Sat and was involved with the goal at Wednesday. Not for the goals this season but never had a run of starts to properly get going. He’s a bit ric- esque in that his body language isn’t great at times. But I hope this season has been a wake up for him. He’s not going to get much better than us is he? Show him some love and play him- and he’ll Hopefully be effective. Still maintain his best position is cutting in off the left and not through the middle. Him million and bae behind a proper cf could be useful. Not saying he’s the answer- but he’s shown enough quality over the years to offer him an new deal on sensible terms. The uncertainty was all his doing wasn't it? He thought he'd ride off into the promised land and secure a nice new deal on a free transfer. I'm Mr Sceptical on this one.
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 25, 2024 9:54:19 GMT
I’m all for him getting a new contract. The uncertainty about his future has clearly been blighting him. He looked like he was back to his best Sat and was involved with the goal at Wednesday. Not for the goals this season but never had a run of starts to properly get going. He’s a bit ric- esque in that his body language isn’t great at times. But I hope this season has been a wake up for him. He’s not going to get much better than us is he? Show him some love and play him- and he’ll Hopefully be effective. Still maintain his best position is cutting in off the left and not through the middle. Him million and bae behind a proper cf could be useful. Not saying he’s the answer- but he’s shown enough quality over the years to offer him a new deal on sensible terms. The uncertainty was all his doing wasn't it? He thought he'd ride off into the promised land and secure a nice new deal on a free transfer. I'm Mr Sceptical on this one. Me too Jimmy🔴⚪️
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Post by deeside2 on Apr 25, 2024 9:59:57 GMT
He's probably not been inundated with any better offers from elsewhere so maybe he's thinking it's almost "better the devil you know". I'm concerned that if he does sign a new contract he'll just revert to the almost totally ineffective player that we've seen for the past few seasons who just looks like he can't really be bothered and needs subbing after an hour.
IMO I don't think he's done enough to warrant a new contract.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 25, 2024 10:15:02 GMT
page after page of Campbell debate based on a tweet from an account that has no record at all as being ITK. Doesn't really matter does it though? People are just saying if they'd like him to stay or go. And let's be honest, there's hardly been many links of him going elsewhere.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Apr 25, 2024 10:34:33 GMT
His biggest problems are he's lazy without the ball he cannot hold it up and poor in the air. He doesn't press like an Ennis or Jacob Brown but he has still got a bit of pace and an eye for a goal when the balls played in front of him. Would keep him to use as a sub later in games where there is space to run in behind. He's not a main striker and we till desperately need one.
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Post by norters on Apr 25, 2024 10:36:30 GMT
Undoubtedly has talent and paired with the right strike partner in a productive system, he can be a big success in this league.
However, he needs to look after his body and show that talent to a club and fans that have stayed with him through the lean times.
There's a player in there and I'd like to see it in a Stoke shirt.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 25, 2024 10:41:41 GMT
I had fully resigned myself to Tyrese leaving and can't help feeling disappointed if he stays. Our strikeforce as it stands will not score anywhere near enough goals and even the addition of one more will only give us a chance of an average goals return. I had hoped that the departure of Tyrese and Wesley would open up our search. I fail to see the positives unless we already know who we might be after for the central striker spot. Will Mmaae be staying? Vidigal? It's beyond embarassing thatr we scored so few goals and Tyrese is part of that problem and not really much of a solution. I’d be much less concerned losing Vidigal. He’s been largely disappointing and lacks pace which can’t be coached.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 25, 2024 10:42:03 GMT
Blackburn have a 30 goal striker Fuller only scored 25 in two seasons in the Championship - 10 first season and 15 in the promotion team when confidence was high and Lawrence also scored 15. And Campbell has scored 1 Really don't see your point
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 25, 2024 10:47:39 GMT
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Post by acstokie on Apr 25, 2024 11:20:46 GMT
That can be said of nearly every player though, when you’ve got a well oiled machine like Fergie’s Man Utd or Pep’s Man City / Barcelona, Klopp’s Liverpool (before the wheels fell off) you can put any competent footballer in there and they can look like a world beater. In contrast, when you’ve got a struggling team; a quality player can look terrible. Blackburn have a 30 goal striker Szmodics is 28 and had scored 11 goals in 73 championship appearances before this season. This season he has scored 25 in 42. Whittaker is 23 and had scored 3 goals in 58 championship appearance before this season. This season he has 19 in 40. I truly believe if Campbell who is still only 24 is played regularly, has a good pre season and feels confidence he can score into double figures next season if we find the right blend of players. He made a couple of excellent runs on Saturday where he wasn't played in as we played it sideways to Hoever on one occasion and backwards to Wilmot on another. The only midfielder we have had in years who could pick that sort of pass out was Vrancic.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 25, 2024 11:21:41 GMT
Makes sense. Why and how could either party commit until we know where we'll be playing?
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Post by march4 on Apr 25, 2024 11:28:07 GMT
We need to move Vidigal and Mmaee out this summer. If Campbell leaves too, that means we need 4 new strikers (Wesley is leaving). That is a big ask. Better to keep Campbell and replace the other 3.
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Post by lordb on Apr 25, 2024 11:29:44 GMT
That can be said of nearly every player though, when you’ve got a well oiled machine like Fergie’s Man Utd or Pep’s Man City / Barcelona, Klopp’s Liverpool (before the wheels fell off) you can put any competent footballer in there and they can look like a world beater. In contrast, when you’ve got a struggling team; a quality player can look terrible. Blackburn have a 30 goal striker No they don't
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 25, 2024 11:42:47 GMT
Blackburn have a 30 goal striker No they don't Sorry, 31 in all competitions
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Post by moon on Apr 25, 2024 11:57:50 GMT
That can be said of nearly every player though, when you’ve got a well oiled machine like Fergie’s Man Utd or Pep’s Man City / Barcelona, Klopp’s Liverpool (before the wheels fell off) you can put any competent footballer in there and they can look like a world beater. I contrast, when you’ve got a struggling team; a quality player can look terrible. But that is just not true. A player in the Man C side has to have the ability to continually find space and Campbell has no idea how todo so , at least that has been my impression of him before Saturday For the first. time, in as long as he has played for us, against Plymouth he worked hard, found space to take the ball with his back to goal and find the channels to accept the ball. His work on the ball was not always good but his work rate at last made up for it and he looked a decent player. Let us see what happens in the last two games. I don't think the next two games will tell us anything we don't already know about Campbell, when he came into the team with Powell and Fletcher playing well; and all three of them full of confidence, he looked a real threat - especially running into space, he had pace to burn and was finishing with precision. We haven't seen that player for many years though, not even close since his injury. He is still relatively young though and perhaps he can be useful at this level, I wouldn't write him off completely; as I wouldn't write off any member of our squad - in the right environment they could well thrive at this level.
My head tells me it would be better for both Stoke and Campbell if he moved on, but that said, I'd love him to stay for another season or two and to become the player I thought he was going to be when he broke through into the first team here. I do think there is a good player in there and I think it'll show again before too long, I hope he achieves his potential, whether that's at Stoke or elsewhere.
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Post by moon on Apr 25, 2024 12:00:03 GMT
We need to move Vidigal and Mmaee out this summer. If Campbell leaves too, that means we need 4 new strikers (Wesley is leaving). That is a big ask. Better to keep Campbell and replace the other 3. Mmaee is the best of the lot at the moment, if I was keeping one it would be him unless we can make our money back on him.
I think we need 3 players in the squad capable of playing that CF role, I wouldn't consider Vidigal as a CF.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Apr 25, 2024 12:09:50 GMT
We need to move Vidigal and Mmaee out this summer. If Campbell leaves too, that means we need 4 new strikers (Wesley is leaving). That is a big ask. Better to keep Campbell and replace the other 3. Mmaee is the best of the lot at the moment, if I was keeping one it would be him unless we can make our money back on him. I think we need 3 players in the squad capable of playing that CF role, I wouldn't consider Vidigal as a CF.
He's the best, but with his history of dressing room and disciplinary issues both with us and prior to joining us I'd say he's not been good enough to be worth the risk. All of our strikers have performed well below the required standard this season including Mmae. If we could get our money back I'd snap their hands off and reinvest.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 25, 2024 13:00:52 GMT
Fuller only scored 25 in two seasons in the Championship - 10 first season and 15 in the promotion team when confidence was high and Lawrence also scored 15. And Campbell has scored 1 Really don't see your point My point is that talk about a striker to scoring 20/30 is unrealistic when our best modern day striker only managed it over two seasons.
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