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Post by hughjarse on Apr 25, 2024 17:43:09 GMT
34 career goals for us in 162 games (1 goal every 4.8 games). Never the same player after his injury because he lost his only asset….his pace. Time to move on and find someone better Sorry to keep harping on but what do you think Fuller's record for us was? It was 43 in 182 appearances or 1 goal every 4.2 games. Not a whole lot better although in his defence he did play at least two thirds of those games in the Premier. Until this season though Campbell's scoring record hasn't been bad. But what I saw, last Saturday was a player whose confidence is completely shot. He would have scored at least two when he was full of confidence. If SS can get his confidence back up I think he's probably better than anyone we could sign. And yes I have thought he's looked totally ineffective this season but I have always said that hasn't been because he doesn't care for the club. I never mentioned Fuller - I thought we were discussing Campbell. As you say, though, Fuller had a better scoring record and played two thirds of his games against the best sides in the country
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 25, 2024 17:49:25 GMT
Sorry to keep harping on but what do you think Fuller's record for us was? It was 43 in 182 appearances or 1 goal every 4.2 games. Not a whole lot better although in his defence he did play at least two thirds of those games in the Premier. Until this season though Campbell's scoring record hasn't been bad. But what I saw, last Saturday was a player whose confidence is completely shot. He would have scored at least two when he was full of confidence. If SS can get his confidence back up I think he's probably better than anyone we could sign. And yes I have thought he's looked totally ineffective this season but I have always said that hasn't been because he doesn't care for the club. I never mentioned Fuller - I thought we were discussing Campbell. As you say, though, Fuller had a better scoring record and played two thirds of his games against the best sides in the country Fuller on his day was an attack on his own, we haven't seen many players like him since. Arnie possibly the closest one I think.
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Post by foster on Apr 25, 2024 18:05:33 GMT
Is he a good striker - YES Is he Championship quality - YES Has he performed for Stoke - NO not in a long time Are we likely to sign anyone better - NO Im totally 50:50 on him and it seems half want him to stay and half want him gone, which seems about right. We are never going to sign a Mark Stein ever again are we? Watching Ennis play shows me we had just better keep Tyrese and make-do > We basically dont want or deserve promotion though if we keep him. They can both go, plus Wes, and we bring in 2 new strikers. Can even add Mmaee to the those that aren't good enough. Why settle for someone just because they're the least shit of a shit bunch. He's not good enough to push us on. We won't miss his 1 to 2 goals per season. We may as well stick a midfielder or defender up there for all the contribution he makes to our games. And just because he's 'free' doesn't make him cheap. We're still paying him wages that would be better spent elsewhere.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 25, 2024 18:16:46 GMT
Fuller, who most would agree has been our best recent striker, has a marginally better scoring record than Campbell. His best season was our promotion season and even then it was only 15. Before this season I suspect Campbell's goal per game record was better. My reason for bringing this up is the expectation that Campbell should be scoring 15/20 goals.
To say his 'one or two' goals a season is incredibly unfair. Before this season his worst record was 5 in 30 and he has scored between 7 and 9 every other season. A decent if not outstanding record. For reference in the season prior to promotion Fuller only managed 10.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 25, 2024 18:17:36 GMT
How reliable are the rumours about Campbell's contract extension then? Anyone heard anything new?
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Post by figo85 on Apr 25, 2024 18:24:40 GMT
The difference between Fuller and Campbell’s record, is that, for a large part of his time at Stoke, Fuller was up against the some of the best defences in Europe. Campbell is playing Plymouth.
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Post by masne on Apr 25, 2024 18:55:06 GMT
Is he a good striker - YES Is he Championship quality - YES Has he performed for Stoke - NO not in a long time Are we likely to sign anyone better - NO Im totally 50:50 on him and it seems half want him to stay and half want him gone, which seems about right. We are never going to sign a Mark Stein ever again are we? Watching Ennis play shows me we had just better keep Tyrese and make-do > We basically dont want or deserve promotion though if we keep him. They can both go, plus Wes, and we bring in 2 new strikers. Can even add Mmaee to the those that aren't good enough. Why settle for someone just because they're the least shit of a shit bunch. He's not good enough to push us on. We won't miss his 1 to 2 goals per season. We may as well stick a midfielder or defender up there for all the contribution he makes to our games. And just because he's 'free' doesn't make him cheap. We're still paying him wages that would be better spent elsewhere. You're wrong M
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Post by jm on Apr 25, 2024 19:00:05 GMT
34 career goals for us in 162 games (1 goal every 4.8 games). Never the same player after his injury because he lost his only asset….his pace. Time to move on and find someone better He is still rapid - opposition manager only the other day said he beat their fastest defender for pace and he'd not seen that yet this season. He's just low on confidence from not playing/scoring but there is still a very good player in there deserving of a contract. played well v Plymouth (yes I was there)
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Post by cheadlestokie on Apr 25, 2024 20:32:48 GMT
But that is just not true. A player in the Man C side has to have the ability to continually find space and Campbell has no idea how todo so , at least that has been my impression of him before Saturday For the first. time, in as long as he has played for us, against Plymouth he worked hard, found space to take the ball with his back to goal and find the channels to accept the ball. His work on the ball was not always good but his work rate at last made up for it and he looked a decent player. Let us see what happens in the last two games. I don't think the next two games will tell us anything we don't already know about Campbell, when he came into the team with Powell and Fletcher playing well; and all three of them full of confidence, he looked a real threat - especially running into space, he had pace to burn and was finishing with precision. We haven't seen that player for many years though, not even close since his injury. He is still relatively young though and perhaps he can be useful at this level, I wouldn't write him off completely; as I wouldn't write off any member of our squad - in the right environment they could well thrive at this level. My head tells me it would be better for both Stoke and Campbell if he moved on, but that said, I'd love him to stay for another season or two and to become the player I thought he was going to be when he broke through into the first team here. I do think there is a good player in there and I think it'll show again before too long, I hope he achieves his potential, whether that's at Stoke or elsewhere.
I was merely wondering if we will see the same effort again or whether Plymouth is a one off. The Campbell we saw against Plymouth I would like to stay but the one we have seen over the last couple of seasons otherwise I would not wish to see again.
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Post by theteacher on Apr 25, 2024 20:52:23 GMT
Imo he would be mad to turn down an offer from Stoke if the reports are true. A striker playing for a manager who wants to play front foot attacking football “could” really provide a platform for him to get his career moving forward again. Especially at a club who have backed their managers with funds in an attempt to get the club competing at the top end of this division (it’s just we keep failing) so this (if true) could be the best opportunity available for the player.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 25, 2024 21:03:46 GMT
Fuller, who most would agree has been our best recent striker, has a marginally better scoring record than Campbell. His best season was our promotion season and even then it was only 15. Before this season I suspect Campbell's goal per game record was better. My reason for bringing this up is the expectation that Campbell should be scoring 15/20 goals. To say his 'one or two' goals a season is incredibly unfair. Before this season his worst record was 5 in 30 and he has scored between 7 and 9 every other season. A decent if not outstanding record. For reference in the season prior to promotion Fuller only managed 10. There was more to Fuller's game than just goals though.... He had strength, He had skill, He was good in the air, He had good decision making, He could hold up a ball well, and bring players in, And he had assists.... So much more quality than Campbell!!! Oh, and considering he came to Stoke with dodgy knees, he wasn't out injured every few games!!!
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 25, 2024 21:17:29 GMT
Fuller, who most would agree has been our best recent striker, has a marginally better scoring record than Campbell. His best season was our promotion season and even then it was only 15. Before this season I suspect Campbell's goal per game record was better. My reason for bringing this up is the expectation that Campbell should be scoring 15/20 goals. To say his 'one or two' goals a season is incredibly unfair. Before this season his worst record was 5 in 30 and he has scored between 7 and 9 every other season. A decent if not outstanding record. For reference in the season prior to promotion Fuller only managed 10. There was more to Fuller's game than just goals though.... He had strength, He had skill, He was good in the air, He had good decision making, He could hold up a ball well, and bring players in, And he had assists.... So much more quality than Campbell!!! Oh, and considering he came to Stoke with dodgy knees, he wasn't out injured every few games!!! Are we really comparing Fuller with Campbell. One has a Dad that was a decent striker for Everton and Arsenal , the other was excellent for Stoke.
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Post by onepara on Apr 25, 2024 21:21:17 GMT
Fuller, who most would agree has been our best recent striker, has a marginally better scoring record than Campbell. His best season was our promotion season and even then it was only 15. Before this season I suspect Campbell's goal per game record was better. My reason for bringing this up is the expectation that Campbell should be scoring 15/20 goals. To say his 'one or two' goals a season is incredibly unfair. Before this season his worst record was 5 in 30 and he has scored between 7 and 9 every other season. A decent if not outstanding record. For reference in the season prior to promotion Fuller only managed 10. There was more to Fuller's game than just goals though.... He had strength, He had skill, He was good in the air, He had good decision making, He could hold up a ball well, and bring players in, And he had assists.... So much more quality than Campbell!!! Oh, and considering he came to Stoke with dodgy knees, he wasn't out injured every few games!!! Plus, he would throw a tantrum if he didn't get his own way, & take his time getting back into the game. He's sometimes seen through rose tinted specs. He wasn't all good. I can hear the Boothen now, telling him to get back on his feet & stop marding around.
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Post by northernstokie on Apr 25, 2024 21:27:12 GMT
34 career goals for us in 162 games (1 goal every 4.8 games). Never the same player after his injury because he lost his only asset….his pace. Time to move on and find someone better He is still rapid - opposition manager only the other day said he beat their fastest defender for pace and he'd not seen that yet this season. He's just low on confidence from not playing/scoring but there is still a very good player in there deserving of a contract. played well v Plymouth (yes I was there) That makes out Campbell is rapid. I'm not saying he's slow but there are loads of quicker players in the championship. I can't see no-one else beating their player for pace.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Apr 25, 2024 21:38:04 GMT
He had 7 goals and 7 assists in 19 appearances before his injury.
He looked a real player. Newcastle apparently gearing up a £25m bid in the Jan window.
He then spent the best part of a year on the sidelines.
He's been back for just over 2 years now with lots of niggling injuries.
He hasn't performed in that period, but who has?
We have been shit to a man.
He has in that time been the only player with a bit of a spark about him. Someone who can do something.
Has it worked? No.
But he's 24. He's absolutely worth a 2 year deal.
Get him back to his 2020 form and we are laughing.
Nothing to suggest he is a total write off yet.
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Post by thestokielad on Apr 26, 2024 1:53:59 GMT
I'd renew his contract as we don't really have anyone better at the moment. We need at least 3 new forwards in the summer
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Post by soulsurvivor on Apr 26, 2024 6:41:51 GMT
If we buy a new player there is a chance they will turn out below par or not be what we want or need and end up with another disappointment. Campbell has had an extended time with the club and never been what we need and has left us frustrated and he has to share the blame for where we are as he has played in many positions under many Managers and never delivered or taken the opportunity to be a legend at Stoke. In all his games has he bèen hailed a hero? Scored hat tricks? Terrified the opposition? No, so his time is done, we know he is not a prolific striker or even mediocre so get rid and spend our money and efforts on a young or developing striker that runs on to the pitch with sone fire in their belly
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Post by willieeetmiout on Apr 26, 2024 8:29:24 GMT
If we buy a new player there is a chance they will turn out below par or not be what we want or need and end up with another disappointment. Campbell has had an extended time with the club and never been what we need and has left us frustrated and he has to share the blame for where we are as he has played in many positions under many Managers and never delivered or taken the opportunity to be a legend at Stoke. In all his games has he bèen hailed a hero? Scored hat tricks? Terrified the opposition? No, so his time is done, we know he is not a prolific striker or even mediocre so get rid and spend our money and efforts on a young or developing striker that runs on to the pitch with sone fire in their belly Idiot
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 26, 2024 8:35:25 GMT
If we buy a new player there is a chance they will turn out below par or not be what we want or need and end up with another disappointment. Campbell has had an extended time with the club and never been what we need and has left us frustrated and he has to share the blame for where we are as he has played in many positions under many Managers and never delivered or taken the opportunity to be a legend at Stoke. In all his games has he bèen hailed a hero? Scored hat tricks? Terrified the opposition? No, so his time is done, we know he is not a prolific striker or even mediocre so get rid and spend our money and efforts on a young or developing striker that runs on to the pitch with sone fire in their belly Tend to agree but this young hungry player term gets over used on here but no one seems to know who they are. The championship can be tough for young talent, is ok scoring goals in an U21 side for fun but no so easy against an experienced centre back at this level as Delap found out when he tried to tangle with them week after week.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 26, 2024 9:08:57 GMT
If we buy a new player there is a chance they will turn out below par or not be what we want or need and end up with another disappointment. Campbell has had an extended time with the club and never been what we need and has left us frustrated and he has to share the blame for where we are as he has played in many positions under many Managers and never delivered or taken the opportunity to be a legend at Stoke. In all his games has he bèen hailed a hero? Scored hat tricks? Terrified the opposition? No, so his time is done, we know he is not a prolific striker or even mediocre so get rid and spend our money and efforts on a young or developing striker that runs on to the pitch with sone fire in their belly Tend to agree but this young hungry player term gets over used on here but no one seems to know who they are. The championship can be tough for young talent, is ok scoring goals in an U21 side for fun but no so easy against an experienced centre back at this level as Delap found out when he tried to tangle with them week after week. Agreed, who are these? and where are these? You would think that Ennis would fit well into this category and the jury is definitely out on that one. It's very rare for young up and coming talents to hit the ground running in the Championship. The only 2 players who scored more than 20 in this Division this season are aged 28 and 27. The youngest players in the top 20 goalscorers (scored 12 or more) are aged 22 That is Summerville who has now spent 4 years at Leeds (a long term investment when they bought him) with this his first season of scoring goals, and Philogene who we know has taken 3/4 years to acclimatise to the Championship and had only scored 5 goals at this level before this season.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 26, 2024 9:23:14 GMT
If we buy a new player there is a chance they will turn out below par or not be what we want or need and end up with another disappointment. Campbell has had an extended time with the club and never been what we need and has left us frustrated and he has to share the blame for where we are as he has played in many positions under many Managers and never delivered or taken the opportunity to be a legend at Stoke. In all his games has he bèen hailed a hero? Scored hat tricks? Terrified the opposition? No, so his time is done, we know he is not a prolific striker or even mediocre so get rid and spend our money and efforts on a young or developing striker that runs on to the pitch with sone fire in their belly Tend to agree but this young hungry player term gets over used on here but no one seems to know who they are. The championship can be tough for young talent, is ok scoring goals in an U21 side for fun but no so easy against an experienced centre back at this level as Delap found out when he tried to tangle with them week after week. That's a fair point to be honest. I'm tempted to let Campbell go as I think he's not going to reach his potential after that injury. However I suppose there is a chance he'll eventually get up to speed. I could be convinced to offer him another deal if the terms were not daft.....maybe.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Apr 26, 2024 9:27:27 GMT
He had 7 goals and 7 assists in 19 appearances before his injury. He looked a real player. Newcastle apparently gearing up a £25m bid in the Jan window. He then spent the best part of a year on the sidelines. He's been back for just over 2 years now with lots of niggling injuries. He hasn't performed in that period, but who has? We have been shit to a man. He has in that time been the only player with a bit of a spark about him. Someone who can do something. Has it worked? No. But he's 24. He's absolutely worth a 2 year deal. Get him back to his 2020 form and we are laughing. Nothing to suggest he is a total write off yet. wtaf
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Post by a on Apr 26, 2024 9:33:22 GMT
34 career goals for us in 162 games (1 goal every 4.8 games). Never the same player after his injury because he lost his only asset….his pace. Time to move on and find someone better Sorry to keep harping on but what do you think Fuller's record for us was? It was 43 in 182 appearances or 1 goal every 4.2 games. Not a whole lot better although in his defence he did play at least two thirds of those games in the Premier. Until this season though Campbell's scoring record hasn't been bad. But what I saw, last Saturday was a player whose confidence is completely shot. He would have scored at least two when he was full of confidence. If SS can get his confidence back up I think he's probably better than anyone we could sign. And yes I have thought he's looked totally ineffective this season but I have always said that hasn't been because he doesn't care for the club. In the Championship: Fuller: 204 Appearances, 52 Goals, 23 assists Campbell: 140 Appearances, 29 goals, 16 assists Fuller was a much better player imo.
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Post by a on Apr 26, 2024 9:38:53 GMT
He had 7 goals and 7 assists in 19 appearances before his injury. He looked a real player. Newcastle apparently gearing up a £25m bid in the Jan window. He then spent the best part of a year on the sidelines. He's been back for just over 2 years now with lots of niggling injuries. He hasn't performed in that period, but who has? We have been shit to a man. He has in that time been the only player with a bit of a spark about him. Someone who can do something. Has it worked? No. But he's 24. He's absolutely worth a 2 year deal. Get him back to his 2020 form and we are laughing. Nothing to suggest he is a total write off yet. On that logic we should be giving Wesley more time. Get him back to his 2019 form and we are laughing.
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Post by soulsurvivor on Apr 26, 2024 9:43:24 GMT
That sums it up in a nutshell!
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Post by pavel on Apr 26, 2024 9:43:36 GMT
Sorry to keep harping on but what do you think Fuller's record for us was? It was 43 in 182 appearances or 1 goal every 4.2 games. Not a whole lot better although in his defence he did play at least two thirds of those games in the Premier. Until this season though Campbell's scoring record hasn't been bad. But what I saw, last Saturday was a player whose confidence is completely shot. He would have scored at least two when he was full of confidence. If SS can get his confidence back up I think he's probably better than anyone we could sign. And yes I have thought he's looked totally ineffective this season but I have always said that hasn't been because he doesn't care for the club. In the Championship: Fuller: 204 Appearances, 52 Goals, 23 assists Campbell: 140 Appearances, 29 goals, 16 assists Fuller was a much better player imo. Interesting there is not much between them but totally different players, not at all comparable in many ways. If Campbell does stay and Schumacher uses him correctly we just might see the potential he definitely has come into fruition. Let’s face it no one has had much opportunity to shine in attack with the attritional and dour play that has been served up since we came down
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 26, 2024 9:56:31 GMT
I never mentioned Fuller - I thought we were discussing Campbell. As you say, though, Fuller had a better scoring record and played two thirds of his games against the best sides in the country Fuller on his day was an attack on his own, we haven't seen many players like him since. Arnie possibly the closest one I think. Arnie was 3 times the player Fuller was n I loved Fuller🔴⚪️
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Post by george2again on Apr 26, 2024 9:59:28 GMT
34 career goals for us in 162 games (1 goal every 4.8 games). Never the same player after his injury because he lost his only asset….his pace. Time to move on and find someone better He is still rapid - opposition manager only the other day said he beat their fastest defender for pace and he'd not seen that yet this season. He's just low on confidence from not playing/scoring but there is still a very good player in there deserving of a contract. played well v Plymouth (yes I was there) Campbell is not and never has been rapid. What a fallacy this is . What he is is quick over 5 to 10 yards. Can’t ever remember him out pacing a defender through on goal. We seriously need to inject pace into this squad.
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 26, 2024 10:02:35 GMT
One thing I will say is he plays in a similar position as Whittaker at Plymouth and he’s struggled previously n Schumacher worked wonders with him, Perhaps he feels he can do the same with Campbell, who knows🔴⚪️
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 26, 2024 10:07:59 GMT
Fuller on his day was an attack on his own, we haven't seen many players like him since. Arnie possibly the closest one I think. Arnie was 3 times the player Fuller was n I loved Fuller🔴⚪️ True or not you just can't say that. Wash thee mouth out yee heathen 😆
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