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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 17, 2023 10:21:51 GMT
Spot on the issue is well beyond a crap manager now we’ve a truly awful squad too which only ends in one way I see players under performing A good manager gets more out of them It’s a genuine thought through concern. “Under Performing”, possible. I don’t see the characters (several exceptions) who could (would be able to) roll their sleeves up and be able to battle (mix it with Championship hardened bullies) when things aren’t going well. Hopefully I’m completely wrong, will enjoy success and then take a large slice of humble pie. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 17, 2023 11:27:43 GMT
I see players under performing A good manager gets more out of them It’s a genuine thought through concern. “Under Performing”, possible. I don’t see the characters (several exceptions) who could (would be able to) roll their sleeves up and be able to battle (mix it with Championship hardened bullies) when things aren’t going well. Hopefully I’m completely wrong, will enjoy success and then take a large slice of humble pie. I don't even see us bullied that much, just flat performances with opposition just doing enough to win without too much effort teams don't have to bully us we are that poor |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 17, 2023 12:09:33 GMT
It’s a genuine thought through concern. “Under Performing”, possible. I don’t see the characters (several exceptions) who could (would be able to) roll their sleeves up and be able to battle (mix it with Championship hardened bullies) when things aren’t going well. Hopefully I’m completely wrong, will enjoy success and then take a large slice of humble pie. I don't even see us bullied that much, just flat performances with opposition just doing enough to win without too much effort teams don't have to bully us we are that poor Can't be doing with that bullied excuse in football. I think other teams are just far better at picking up second balls etc than us and are set up far better , especially to control the midfield. Neil chopping and changing early in games is a great indication of how badly he gets it wrong |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 17, 2023 12:39:23 GMT
I don't even see us bullied that much, just flat performances with opposition just doing enough to win without too much effort teams don't have to bully us we are that poor Can't be doing with that bullied excuse in football. I think other teams are just far better at picking up second balls etc than us and are set up far better , especially to control the midfield. Neil chopping and changing early in games is a great indication of how badly he gets it wrong “Bullied” - out muscled, out fought, out run, out thought, on the front foot, It’s a term that can incorporate many of the aforementioned. |
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Oct 17, 2023 12:43:31 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 17, 2023 12:43:31 GMT
Can't be doing with that bullied excuse in football. I think other teams are just far better at picking up second balls etc than us and are set up far better , especially to control the midfield. Neil chopping and changing early in games is a great indication of how badly he gets it wrong “Bullied” - out muscled, out fought, out run, out thought, on the front foot, It’s a term that can incorporate many of the aforementioned. Just makes me think of the opposition pinching their dinner money and calling them names I guess Wanting it more us a bit of a cliche in football but games like Ipswich and Preston, they seemed more alert and eager to loose balls etc and attacking dead balls, not just those teams alone. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 17, 2023 12:52:31 GMT
“Bullied” - out muscled, out fought, out run, out thought, on the front foot, It’s a term that can incorporate many of the aforementioned. Just makes me think of the opposition pinching their dinner money and calling them names I guess Wanting it more us a bit of a cliche in football but games like Ipswich and Preston, they seemed more alert and eager to loose balls etc and attacking dead balls, not just those teams alone. You're looking at teams there though that the majority of the players were at last season, ours had only just met. Ipswich won promotion and are looking strong early this season, they have momentum. For how long they have momentum for remains to be season when they start picking up injuries. Two very early season games |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 17, 2023 13:03:26 GMT
Just makes me think of the opposition pinching their dinner money and calling them names I guess Wanting it more us a bit of a cliche in football but games like Ipswich and Preston, they seemed more alert and eager to loose balls etc and attacking dead balls, not just those teams alone. You're looking at teams there though that the majority of the players were at last season, ours had only just met. Ipswich won promotion and are looking strong early this season, they have momentum. For how long they have momentum for remains to be season when they start picking up injuries. Two very early season games As Clive Clarke said...is no excuse. They wear the same colour shirt and they should have worked out who is on their own team and who to pass a ball to . Doesn't help to know each other when you have a manager who gets it wrong most weeks and ends up throwing Hail Mary subs at it early on. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 17, 2023 13:05:58 GMT
You're looking at teams there though that the majority of the players were at last season, ours had only just met. Ipswich won promotion and are looking strong early this season, they have momentum. For how long they have momentum for remains to be season when they start picking up injuries. Two very early season games As Clive Clarke said...is no excuse. They wear the same colour shirt and they should have worked out who is on their own team and who to pass a ball to . Doesn't help to know each other when you have a manager who gets it wrong most weeks and ends up throwing Hail Mary subs at it early on. Nah, I like Clive but momentum and familiarity definatley plays a part in football |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 17, 2023 13:30:52 GMT
As Clive Clarke said...is no excuse. They wear the same colour shirt and they should have worked out who is on their own team and who to pass a ball to . Doesn't help to know each other when you have a manager who gets it wrong most weeks and ends up throwing Hail Mary subs at it early on. Nah, I like Clive but momentum and familiarity definatley plays a part in football It does but won't happen when he changes the team early in games so often |
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Post by thebet365 on Oct 17, 2023 14:28:22 GMT
Nah, I like Clive but momentum and familiarity definatley plays a part in football It does but won't happen when he changes the team early in games so often He's changed the team early twice ? and that was in the opening few games, in the last 7 games aside from injuries in 1 game he's not made a change until an hour has gone. |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 17, 2023 14:36:08 GMT
It’s a genuine thought through concern. “Under Performing”, possible. I don’t see the characters (several exceptions) who could (would be able to) roll their sleeves up and be able to battle (mix it with Championship hardened bullies) when things aren’t going well. Hopefully I’m completely wrong, will enjoy success and then take a large slice of humble pie. I don't even see us bullied that much, just flat performances with opposition just doing enough to win without too much effort teams don't have to bully us we are that poor And it's pretty much been like this for the majority of our time in this league barring a couple of decent spell under MON until they fell off a cliff too. We've been through 4 managers and about 100 players and nothing seems to change. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 17, 2023 15:01:24 GMT
I don't even see us bullied that much, just flat performances with opposition just doing enough to win without too much effort teams don't have to bully us we are that poor And it's pretty much been like this for the majority of our time in this league barring a couple of decent spell under MON until they fell off a cliff too. We've been through 4 managers and about 100 players and nothing seems to change. MON had an injury list and a half but don't think we'd have worried the play off pack under him in the long run although we were up there for a brief spell but couldn't put any kind of run ogether. When we needed that result to push us into the pack we kept failing although he had desperate luck with long term injuries. He was steady and unspectacular but so are so many teams at this level. Now we've taken three steps backwards to Jones and his ridiculous team selections and formations. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 17, 2023 16:17:44 GMT
And it's pretty much been like this for the majority of our time in this league barring a couple of decent spell under MON until they fell off a cliff too. We've been through 4 managers and about 100 players and nothing seems to change. MON had an injury list and a half but don't think we'd have worried the play off pack under him in the long run although we were up there for a brief spell but couldn't put any kind of run ogether. When we needed that result to push us into the pack we kept failing although he had desperate luck with long term injuries. He was steady and unspectacular but so are so many teams at this level. Now we've taken three steps backwards to Jones and his ridiculous team selections and formations. Do you mean Neil? genuinely believe the club have taken 3 steps back with Alex Neil? |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 17, 2023 17:24:44 GMT
MON had an injury list and a half but don't think we'd have worried the play off pack under him in the long run although we were up there for a brief spell but couldn't put any kind of run ogether. When we needed that result to push us into the pack we kept failing although he had desperate luck with long term injuries. He was steady and unspectacular but so are so many teams at this level. Now we've taken three steps backwards to Jones and his ridiculous team selections and formations. Do you mean Neil? genuinely believe the club have taken 3 steps back with Alex Neil? Yep Look where we are It's not good. I think we've made an almighty error |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 17, 2023 17:31:41 GMT
Do you mean Neil? genuinely believe the club have taken 3 steps back with Alex Neil? Yep Look where we are It's not good. I think we've made an almighty error No, that's your opinion you're more than welcome to it. We're miles apart in what we think though, I thought O Neil's football reflected his persona, dull as dish water. I do happen to think with Neil he intends to play an attacking game hence the signings he's made. I do genuinely believe the first quarter of a season is a bedding in period and once the treatment room starts emptying people are going to see that. It's three steps forward for me |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 17, 2023 17:44:54 GMT
Yep Look where we are It's not good. I think we've made an almighty error No, that's your opinion you're more than welcome to it. We're miles apart in what we think though, I thought O Neil's football reflected his persona, dull as dish water. I do happen to think with Neil he intends to play an attacking game hence the signings he's made. I do genuinely believe the first quarter of a season is a bedding in period and once the treatment room starts emptying people are going to see that. It's three steps forward for me Hope you're right but can't see it. MON steadied us and did a job there as we were in trouble. We're now back where we were when he took over from that Welsh lunatic |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 17, 2023 18:20:09 GMT
Yep Look where we are It's not good. I think we've made an almighty error No, that's your opinion you're more than welcome to it. We're miles apart in what we think though, I thought O Neil's football reflected his persona, dull as dish water. I do happen to think with Neil he intends to play an attacking game hence the signings he's made. I do genuinely believe the first quarter of a season is a bedding in period and once the treatment room starts emptying people are going to see that. It's three steps forward for me Barman! I'll have a pint of what he's having, please. |
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Post by independent on Oct 17, 2023 19:14:23 GMT
No, that's your opinion you're more than welcome to it. We're miles apart in what we think though, I thought O Neil's football reflected his persona, dull as dish water. I do happen to think with Neil he intends to play an attacking game hence the signings he's made. I do genuinely believe the first quarter of a season is a bedding in period and once the treatment room starts emptying people are going to see that. It's three steps forward for me Hope you're right but can't see it. MON steadied us and did a job there as we were in trouble. We're now back where we were when he took over from that Welsh lunatic I hope vidigal7 doesn't have to change "the first quarter" to "the first half " when he is posting in December. League position wise, we are back where we were when MON took over. But at least we aren't stuck with a lot of players on long term contracts with high wages which mean that we are stuck with them. So we aren't in a disastrous situation. Maybe those who think that we will shoot up the table when the injured return will be proven right, but I doubt it. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 17, 2023 19:43:56 GMT
Hope you're right but can't see it. MON steadied us and did a job there as we were in trouble. We're now back where we were when he took over from that Welsh lunatic I hope vidigal7 doesn't have to change "the first quarter" to "the first half " when he is posting in December. League position wise, we are back where we were when MON took over. But at least we aren't stuck with a lot of players on long term contracts with high wages which mean that we are stuck with them. So we aren't in a disastrous situation. Maybe those who think that we will shoot up the table when the injured return will be proven right, but I doubt it. This manager has got 3 different clubs promoted so far in his career and he's 42. He definitely knows how to play effective football, do we have the players? Personally I think we have on paper good players, we perhaps need a couple of extra good players in key areas but add them to this group once it has bedded in and I'd say we're in a very good position to move forward. I'm not having this manager is a crap manager, his record says otherwise |
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Post by independent on Oct 18, 2023 9:51:18 GMT
I hope vidigal7 doesn't have to change "the first quarter" to "the first half " when he is posting in December. League position wise, we are back where we were when MON took over. But at least we aren't stuck with a lot of players on long term contracts with high wages which mean that we are stuck with them. So we aren't in a disastrous situation. Maybe those who think that we will shoot up the table when the injured return will be proven right, but I doubt it. This manager has got 3 different clubs promoted so far in his career and he's 42. He definitely knows how to play effective football, do we have the players? Personally I think we have on paper good players, we perhaps need a couple of extra good players in key areas but add them to this group once it has bedded in and I'd say we're in a very good position to move forward. I'm not having this manager is a crap manager, his record says otherwise He would want to hurry up with the bedding in. Half of our squad are only here for this season and are going to have to be replaced at the end of the season. Hopefully, they will have a proper preseason next year. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 18, 2023 9:59:04 GMT
Shit bin!
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 18, 2023 10:55:55 GMT
I think we are actually 8 points off the play offs Wherty and 6 points off 11th place, but I take your point that there are still a lot of games left..
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 18, 2023 11:02:48 GMT
I hope vidigal7 doesn't have to change "the first quarter" to "the first half " when he is posting in December. League position wise, we are back where we were when MON took over. But at least we aren't stuck with a lot of players on long term contracts with high wages which mean that we are stuck with them. So we aren't in a disastrous situation. Maybe those who think that we will shoot up the table when the injured return will be proven right, but I doubt it. This manager has got 3 different clubs promoted so far in his career and he's 42. He definitely knows how to play effective football, do we have the players? Personally I think we have on paper good players, we perhaps need a couple of extra good players in key areas but add them to this group once it has bedded in and I'd say we're in a very good position to move forward. I'm not having this manager is a crap manager, his record says otherwise Doeesn't matter if he won X Factor and was voted rear of the year previously, counts for nothing . The only thingthat matters is the job he's doing here which certainly isn't moving us forward in any sense. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 18, 2023 11:51:01 GMT
This manager has got 3 different clubs promoted so far in his career and he's 42. He definitely knows how to play effective football, do we have the players? Personally I think we have on paper good players, we perhaps need a couple of extra good players in key areas but add them to this group once it has bedded in and I'd say we're in a very good position to move forward. I'm not having this manager is a crap manager, his record says otherwise He would want to hurry up with the bedding in. Half of our squad are only here for this season and are going to have to be replaced at the end of the season. Hopefully, they will have a proper preseason next year. Who is only here for the season? Loans and players that haven't been offered a contract? |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 18, 2023 11:53:06 GMT
This manager has got 3 different clubs promoted so far in his career and he's 42. He definitely knows how to play effective football, do we have the players? Personally I think we have on paper good players, we perhaps need a couple of extra good players in key areas but add them to this group once it has bedded in and I'd say we're in a very good position to move forward. I'm not having this manager is a crap manager, his record says otherwise Doeesn't matter if he won X Factor and was voted rear of the year previously, counts for nothing . The only thingthat matters is the job he's doing here which certainly isn't moving us forward in any sense. Yet. I do think you're making an error judging this manager on last seasons squad and you're too early to judge him on this seasons. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 18, 2023 12:18:56 GMT
Doeesn't matter if he won X Factor and was voted rear of the year previously, counts for nothing . The only thingthat matters is the job he's doing here which certainly isn't moving us forward in any sense. Yet. I do think you're making an error judging this manager on last seasons squad and you're too early to judge him on this seasons. He has to start producing soon. He wouldn't have lasted at other clubs with those stats, new players or not. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 18, 2023 12:29:58 GMT
Yet. I do think you're making an error judging this manager on last seasons squad and you're too early to judge him on this seasons. He has to start producing soon. He wouldn't have lasted at other clubs with those stats, new players or not. I think he'll get to Christmas at the very earliest. You don't just change 17 players, perform and get results like theyve played together for 12 months, it's unrealistic and JC will know it. That's not even mentioning injuries and half the new squad coming from overseas so I think you'll be desperately disappointed if you expect any immediate change. Under different circumstances I'd agree with you but these are unique |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 18, 2023 12:32:25 GMT
He has to start producing soon. He wouldn't have lasted at other clubs with those stats, new players or not. I think he'll get to Christmas at the very earliest. You don't just change 17 players, perform and get results like theyve played together for 12 months, it's unrealistic and JC will know it. That's not even mentioning injuries and half the new squad coming from overseas so I think you'll be desperately disappointed if you expect any immediate change. Under different circumstances I'd agree with you but these are unique Yep can see Xmas but if we're still in a similar position they have to look seriously at him |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 18, 2023 12:56:14 GMT
He has to start producing soon. He wouldn't have lasted at other clubs with those stats, new players or not. I think he'll get to Christmas at the very earliest. You don't just change 17 players, perform and get results like theyve played together for 12 months, it's unrealistic and JC will know it. That's not even mentioning injuries and half the new squad coming from overseas so I think you'll be desperately disappointed if you expect any immediate change. Under different circumstances I'd agree with you but these are unique I think you're being very kind, fair play to you. But the reality is he's had 16 odd months and the team has gone backwards. No matter how that's chopped up its a woeful situation. He should already be gone in reality but I'm giving him these next 3 games. He doesn't have to win them all but at the very least we need to see some signs that he actually has a clue what he's doing. Because up till now I ain't seen owt. |
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Post by Sfance on Oct 18, 2023 13:26:57 GMT
OMG - so he’s still here?!! Only at Stoke City.
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