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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 15, 2023 12:56:37 GMT
I think we will be in or around the bottom three by the start of New Year. I am pretty disappointed with AN's performance so far (last season and this season) and the injuries are just exacerbating our situation. The question the board will have to answer is whether they believe in AN enough to give him the January window. The injuries are papering over how bad he's been and a further excuse to add to the list. We can't use Tezgel and Mmaee as excuses for me up front as neither have ever scored a League goal. Yeah probably agree with this. Even when all our CH’s were fit weve never looked solid at the back Offensively, and Im thinking Vidigal and Mmae, theres probs a bigger argument for injuries affecting us |
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 15, 2023 13:24:31 GMT
The injuries are papering over how bad he's been and a further excuse to add to the list. We can't use Tezgel and Mmaee as excuses for me up front as neither have ever scored a League goal. Yeah probably agree with this. Even when all our CH’s were fit weve never looked solid at the back Offensively, and Im thinking Vidigal and Mmae, theres probs a bigger argument for injuries affecting us There’s a lot being said about Mmae’s absence and how that’s affecting us. He isn’t a proven striker at this level, at least at this point, and in his first few games there was definitely a noticeable lack of physicality in his game, despite his obvious quality. I’m not so sure his absence is affecting us as badly as many think, to me he looked like a player that needs a season in England before we see anything near his best. What was missed this summer was a proven centre forward, and a proven and experienced centre back - they were absolute must haves. Another LB you could argue too, definitely so after he sold Tymon near the end of the window, which looks more and more stupid as the season unfolds. In short, injuries are affecting us, yes, but in my view we are still going to be in a relagation fight this year even when we have a full squad to choose from because we are poor in both boxes |
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Post by stokie1947 on Oct 15, 2023 13:40:23 GMT
we won't
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Post by pavel on Oct 15, 2023 13:46:15 GMT
A quarter of the way through the season and we are thereabouts already. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 15, 2023 14:17:34 GMT
Thanks for that in depth analysis mate 🤮 |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 15, 2023 14:59:04 GMT
Weve flirted enough with a relegation battle in recent years, sooner or later we are going to be in one. This next month will tell us a lot |
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Post by pavel on Oct 15, 2023 17:35:57 GMT
It's hard looking at the table at the moment when newly promoted Ipswich are 18 points clear of us after 11 games, that puts everything in perspective. It's amazing what a plan and a good manager can do, he took an underperforming team in 2021 and improved them getting 11th place, 2022 automatic promotion, 2023 2nd in the championship after 11 games. Yet we waddle on with a manager whose record defies description, who didn't improve the players at his disposal last year, in fact we went backwards and has started this year in reverse. There shouldn't be any debate about whether he should stay or go, it should be a given considering his record and the abysmal football he's mostly churned out.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 15, 2023 18:52:29 GMT
It's hard looking at the table at the moment when newly promoted Ipswich are 18 points clear of us after 11 games, that puts everything in perspective. It's amazing what a plan and a good manager can do, he took an underperforming team in 2021 and improved them getting 11th place, 2022 automatic promotion, 2023 2nd in the championship after 11 games. Yet we waddle on with a manager whose record defies description, who didn't improve the players at his disposal last year, in fact we went backwards and has started this year in reverse. There shouldn't be any debate about whether he should stay or go, it should be a given considering his record and the abysmal football he's mostly churned out. Spot on had every opportunity and should have gone in May before he chance to squander another golden opportunity the appointmemt of and obsession with Jared utter nonsense |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 15, 2023 18:52:42 GMT
It's hard looking at the table at the moment when newly promoted Ipswich are 18 points clear of us after 11 games, that puts everything in perspective. It's amazing what a plan and a good manager can do, he took an underperforming team in 2021 and improved them getting 11th place, 2022 automatic promotion, 2023 2nd in the championship after 11 games. Yet we waddle on with a manager whose record defies description, who didn't improve the players at his disposal last year, in fact we went backwards and has started this year in reverse. There shouldn't be any debate about whether he should stay or go, it should be a given considering his record and the abysmal football he's mostly churned out. ipswich have a much better manager it’s that simple |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 15, 2023 21:29:29 GMT
It's hard looking at the table at the moment when newly promoted Ipswich are 18 points clear of us after 11 games, that puts everything in perspective. It's amazing what a plan and a good manager can do, he took an underperforming team in 2021 and improved them getting 11th place, 2022 automatic promotion, 2023 2nd in the championship after 11 games. Yet we waddle on with a manager whose record defies description, who didn't improve the players at his disposal last year, in fact we went backwards and has started this year in reverse. There shouldn't be any debate about whether he should stay or go, it should be a given considering his record and the abysmal football he's mostly churned out. ipswich have a much better manager it’s that simple That's exactly it and he plays a system that suit the players he has. |
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Post by blackpoolred on Oct 15, 2023 21:53:43 GMT
Weve flirted enough with a relegation battle in recent years, sooner or later we are going to be in one. This next month will tell us a lot Don't think we have flirted - more like in the thick of it year on year. We were rock bottom when we scored two goals in the last minute against Wednesday on boxing day to win the game, still think had we lost that game we would have gone, but those goals and that match gave the team confidence to go on a bit of a run that year and get us over the line that season. We are bang in the thick of another one and look utterly lost and lack any quality or quantity in defence, with our only decent defender out for the rest of the season by the looks and set for yet another season of square pegs in defensive positions. Radical changes needed at the club - and not just the manager |
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Post by independent on Oct 15, 2023 22:33:03 GMT
We were never in a relegation battle in MON's 2 full seasons when we finished with 60 and 62 points, and moaned about only finishing in 14th place. In fact we were actually in/around the top 6 rather than the bottom 3 at times in both seasons. AN has been a bitter disappointment and while we know that he is a poor manager, we have to hope that he is a lucky one. By the end of the year we will have played another 14 games and if we can get 16 points from them, we should be alright. What may be a bit hard on the nerves is that we don't play all the relegation candidates till next April. At the end of the year someone is going to have to decide whether to trust AN to spend money wisely. January is never a great time to be shopping.
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Post by stokie1947 on Oct 16, 2023 6:46:11 GMT
don't need one we won't be involved
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 16, 2023 7:48:28 GMT
This manager commands zero respect, has no presence and no gravitas. Why is he even in the job?
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 16, 2023 9:51:40 GMT
It's hard looking at the table at the moment when newly promoted Ipswich are 18 points clear of us after 11 games, that puts everything in perspective. It's amazing what a plan and a good manager can do, he took an underperforming team in 2021 and improved them getting 11th place, 2022 automatic promotion, 2023 2nd in the championship after 11 games. Yet we waddle on with a manager whose record defies description, who didn't improve the players at his disposal last year, in fact we went backwards and has started this year in reverse. There shouldn't be any debate about whether he should stay or go, it should be a given considering his record and the abysmal football he's mostly churned out. Sunderland 4th too after making the play offs last season in their first season back at this level and without a defence or a recognised Striker for the last 5 months of the season too. Yet we are told that we have to give him time, the injuries have decimated us. Bollocks, look what Mowbray had to contend with last season and they nearly went fucking up! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 16, 2023 9:55:24 GMT
There’s a very real prospect of all 4 sides of the ground singing in unison on Saturday.
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 16, 2023 9:55:51 GMT
There’s a very real prospect of all 4 sides of the ground singing in unison on Saturday. Hopefully. |
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Post by deeside2 on Oct 16, 2023 10:05:51 GMT
Injuries or no injuries, he's had more than enough time since being appointed to show he's got what it takes to at the very least get a top half finish. Sadly we are languishing in 21st and with a makeshift defence, hit and miss midfield, and lacklustre attack. Not exactly the main attributes of a team on the up. Added to this AN is constantly changing formations and has left most people wondering if he even knows what he's trying to achieve.
He should already be gone, but defeat to Sunderland may well seal his fate, especially if the crowd turns.
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Post by haway on Oct 16, 2023 10:18:13 GMT
Injuries or no injuries, he's had more than enough time since being appointed to show he's got what it takes to at the very least get a top half finish. Sadly we are languishing in 21st and with a makeshift defence, hit and miss midfield, and lacklustre attack. Not exactly the main attributes of a team on the up. Added to this AN is constantly changing formations and has left most people wondering if he even knows what he's trying to achieve. He should already be gone, but defeat to Sunderland may well seal his fate, especially if the crowd turns. Will the crowd in the stadium turn on him if we go 1-0 up v you? Or does he still have fan support in the stadium? |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 16, 2023 10:20:33 GMT
Injuries or no injuries, he's had more than enough time since being appointed to show he's got what it takes to at the very least get a top half finish. Sadly we are languishing in 21st and with a makeshift defence, hit and miss midfield, and lacklustre attack. Not exactly the main attributes of a team on the up. Added to this AN is constantly changing formations and has left most people wondering if he even knows what he's trying to achieve. He should already be gone, but defeat to Sunderland may well seal his fate, especially if the crowd turns. Will the crowd in the stadium turn on him if we go 1-0 up v you? Or does he still have fan support in the stadium? It'll turn. |
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Post by femark on Oct 16, 2023 10:30:20 GMT
It's hard looking at the table at the moment when newly promoted Ipswich are 18 points clear of us after 11 games, that puts everything in perspective. It's amazing what a plan and a good manager can do, he took an underperforming team in 2021 and improved them getting 11th place, 2022 automatic promotion, 2023 2nd in the championship after 11 games. Yet we waddle on with a manager whose record defies description, who didn't improve the players at his disposal last year, in fact we went backwards and has started this year in reverse. There shouldn't be any debate about whether he should stay or go, it should be a given considering his record and the abysmal football he's mostly churned out. It shows you how a team can build momentum. There is no reason why we can't go on a run and build confidence when players are back from injury and have gelled together. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 16, 2023 10:38:48 GMT
It's hard looking at the table at the moment when newly promoted Ipswich are 18 points clear of us after 11 games, that puts everything in perspective. It's amazing what a plan and a good manager can do, he took an underperforming team in 2021 and improved them getting 11th place, 2022 automatic promotion, 2023 2nd in the championship after 11 games. Yet we waddle on with a manager whose record defies description, who didn't improve the players at his disposal last year, in fact we went backwards and has started this year in reverse. There shouldn't be any debate about whether he should stay or go, it should be a given considering his record and the abysmal football he's mostly churned out. It shows you how a team can build momentum. There is no reason why we can't go on a run and build confidence when players are back from injury and have gelled together. Even when gelled I have serious concern that this group of players (with some exceptions) are not up to the required standard and will struggle. We have no spine to the side which is a basic. Not a Pessimist, concerned Pragmatist in reality |
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Post by pavel on Oct 16, 2023 10:44:20 GMT
It's hard looking at the table at the moment when newly promoted Ipswich are 18 points clear of us after 11 games, that puts everything in perspective. It's amazing what a plan and a good manager can do, he took an underperforming team in 2021 and improved them getting 11th place, 2022 automatic promotion, 2023 2nd in the championship after 11 games. Yet we waddle on with a manager whose record defies description, who didn't improve the players at his disposal last year, in fact we went backwards and has started this year in reverse. There shouldn't be any debate about whether he should stay or go, it should be a given considering his record and the abysmal football he's mostly churned out. It shows you how a team can build momentum. There is no reason why we can't go on a run and build confidence when players are back from injury and have gelled together. Neil has shown nothing to show this can happen, as I said he couldn’t improve the players he had last season and that’s a red flag for me, especially as we actually went backwards even after getting players he wanted in January. |
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Post by femark on Oct 16, 2023 10:59:44 GMT
It shows you how a team can build momentum. There is no reason why we can't go on a run and build confidence when players are back from injury and have gelled together. Even when gelled I have serious concern that this group of players (with some exceptions) are not up to the required standard and will struggle. We have no spine to the side which is a basic. Not a Pessimist, concerned Pragmatist in reality The majority were more than happy with the signings made. I think it's a very good squad when injury free. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 16, 2023 19:37:45 GMT
Even when gelled I have serious concern that this group of players (with some exceptions) are not up to the required standard and will struggle. We have no spine to the side which is a basic. Not a Pessimist, concerned Pragmatist in reality The majority were more than happy with the signings made. I think it's a very good squad when injury free. I think the squad would be decent if we had someone to work with them and knew what he was doing |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 16, 2023 20:11:49 GMT
It shows you how a team can build momentum. There is no reason why we can't go on a run and build confidence when players are back from injury and have gelled together. Even when gelled I have serious concern that this group of players (with some exceptions) are not up to the required standard and will struggle. We have no spine to the side which is a basic. Not a Pessimist, concerned Pragmatist in reality Spot on the issue is well beyond a crap manager now we’ve a truly awful squad too which only ends in one way |
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Post by lordb on Oct 16, 2023 20:32:36 GMT
Even when gelled I have serious concern that this group of players (with some exceptions) are not up to the required standard and will struggle. We have no spine to the side which is a basic. Not a Pessimist, concerned Pragmatist in reality Spot on the issue is well beyond a crap manager now we’ve a truly awful squad too which only ends in one way I see players under performing A good manager gets more out of them |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 16, 2023 20:41:29 GMT
Even when gelled I have serious concern that this group of players (with some exceptions) are not up to the required standard and will struggle. We have no spine to the side which is a basic. Not a Pessimist, concerned Pragmatist in reality Spot on the issue is well beyond a crap manager now we’ve a truly awful squad too which only ends in one way Simply isn't. Is all there for a competent manager |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 17, 2023 7:03:47 GMT
Spot on the issue is well beyond a crap manager now we’ve a truly awful squad too which only ends in one way Simply isn't. Is all there for a competent manager I suspect we will find out from Mod nov onwards and hope your right and we like Sunderland’s under keane or forest under Coper catch fire bit for me anyone who gets 50 points out of this squad would be a genius especially with Campbell injured . we had a few decent championship players last year Wilmot Brown , Tymon , Campbell , Powell , Fox , Jagielka , all gone and none rpelaced by anything better if at all courtesy of Martins nonsense and Jareds’ crap computer and Neils complete loss of balance |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 17, 2023 7:33:32 GMT
Simply isn't. Is all there for a competent manager I suspect we will find out from Mod nov onwards and hope your right and we like Sunderland’s under keane or forest under Coper catch fire bit for me anyone who gets 50 points out of this squad would be a genius especially with Campbell injured . we had a few decent championship players last year Wilmot Brown , Tymon , Campbell , Powell , Fox , Jagielka , all gone and none rpelaced by anything better if at all courtesy of Martins nonsense and Jareds’ crap computer and Neils complete loss of balance Was Neil ever stable here, never mind loss of balance? We just need a manager who has a plan on how he can work with the players we have , not pick a different side most weeks and throw subs at it when it falls flat again. |
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